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More diverse representation from non-White, non-Western opinions/sources which might are poorly represented due to very issues of institutional racism discussed here. This article is victim of discussing the state of oppressed people by non-oppressed people. How many Native Australian ref? How many African ones, how many views from grassroots orgs?--Inayity (talk) 09:07, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
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Essed, Philomena (1991). Understanding Everyday Racism: An Interdisciplinary Theory. Newbury Park, Calif.: SAGE Publications. ISBN978-0-8039-4256-1.
Feagin, Joe R.; Vera, Hernán; Batur, Pinar (2001). White Racism: The Basics (2nd ed.). New York: Routledge. ISBN978-0-4159-2461-0.
Garner, Steve (2017). Racisms: An Introduction (2nd ed.). London: SAGE Publications. ISBN978-1-5264-1285-0.
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It states racism is a modern concept arising from the European colonial era
This is a wrong statement as racism has existed in various forms throughout millenias like the discrimination towards dravidians in India or the racism between tribes in Africa, this should be changed in the article 2403:A080:803:FA5D:EDC1:797A:5BD0:FBDB (talk) 16:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it says "Racism is frequently described...." which is sourced. Now is this description correct? I don't know. Much of discrimination towards Dravidians and among African tribes appears to be, at least partially, due to European colonialism. Colonialism brought the concept to the wider world. If sources can be found to predate this period; that might be useful. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, absolutely not. Racism is about "race" - ostensibly immutable and inheritable phenotypes, a belief that different races exist, and have different characteristics. It is a rather recent invention, a largely European 19th C. invention (although copied by others since). "Xenophobia" is about animosity towards foreigners - be they one town over or one country over, and has been around for eons. A foreign nationality is not a "race". It is extremely common to resent foreigners of the same race, and even of the same ethnicity. Walrasiad (talk)
No. Please re-read what xenophobia is about. It is not only phobia of foreigners, but of strangers (aliens, "the other", etc.). As such, racism is just one of the forms of xenophobia (fear/dislike/etc. of those who have a different 'race'). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here05:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...except that that's not a sufficient definition of racism. As our article says: Garner (2009: p. 11) summarizes different existing definitions of racism and identifies three common elements contained in those definitions of racism. First, a historical, hierarchical power relationship between groups; second, a set of ideas (an ideology) about racial differences; and, third, discriminatory actions (practices). It's not just "people dislikng people of other 'races'". This is why we get endless complaints over at the talk page for reverse racism; seeing "racism" as just "disliking people of other races" opens the door to the possibility of "reverse racism", or anti-white racism, which completely ignores the systemic hierarchies and power imbalances in our system that allow racism to exist, and which only go in one direction. Writ Keeper⚇♔19:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, because you can found a black brazilian and a black american, but they in nationality wise are different, by the way, search for "Xenophobia" on dictionary and you'll see is not talking about race in any moment.
I'll reformulate it to make it more harmonious:
Xenophobia is an hatred, fear, or hostility towards foreigners, including Xenophobia is the combination of two words in Greek "Xenos" (Foreigner) and "Phobos" (Fear). Ex.:Talossophobia, aracnophobia, etc.
While racism is a prejudice or a race-based hatred, like saying "White people are superior to black people!", Both are a form of prejudice, the difference is that one is based on nationality and the other on race, it's simple. 177.105.90.116 (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"and"
The first sentence definition could be substantially improved by replacing "and" with "or". It is possible to have discrimination without prejudice or prejudice without at least overt discrimination, both would constitue racism, eg an employer who will readily employ a employee of an ethnic minority while openly treating them fairly yet privately disliking them on the basis of their race, or conversely, a discriminatory judgement based on fact, such as a racist landlord that refuses to allow tenants of certain countries to rent as they are more likely to cook food that creates semi permanent odours which discourage future tenants of majority ethnicity. 37.152.237.108 (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As with so many terms, academics have created their own definition of the word "racism". That's fine in academic circles, but on Wikipedia it repeatedly leads to arguments about whether the definition applies to specific situations. Editors from the academic world can even talk about "proto-racism". But editors from the majority of society will apply the word "racism" more broadly. Academics may self-righteously point to published citations and definitions, claiming that their definition is correct. This happens on a number of articles. Not sure how to improve both the quality of the articles but also respectful interaction between editors. At least, "Assume good faith." Pete unseth (talk) 15:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"from the majority of society" You do know that Wikipedia is not practicing argumentum ad populum, right? We are not citing the widely held beliefs of a specific culture, we are citing reliable sources. If you want changes, find sources that support them. Dimadick (talk) 21:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Due to all respect, but this kind of contradictory, you said to assume "good faith", but accused academics of being r4c1st, which is not good faith at all (since you said as all are like this), and is not even much good faith accuse a whole enterprise of "argumentum ad populum", in your logic, use a real thing is a "argumentum ad populum", by this logic, I must accuse you of "argumentum ad populum", for think all academics are self-righteous and r4c1st, and so on.
It's ironic you talk about respecful and laterly disrespect a enterprise, your argument only makes sense when you prove it is true, without evidence, without credibility, and consequently a unreliable source, if it is, evidence generates credibility and it consenquently a reliable source (despite I know there's another things how to-do a reliable-sourced article, as neutrality, etc.). 177.105.90.89 (talk) 23:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Misuse of Academic Language: How Complex Theories on Racism Become Tools for Discrimination
Academic theory, particularly from left-leaning scholars, has developed complex and 'nuanced' definitions of structural or systemic racism, often presenting these theories as indisputable fact. This approach has, in some cases, led to what can be seen as a narcissistic phenomenon, where contradictions about reality and truth in human behavior justify discrimination against white men. As per these definitions, white people, seen as the top of a power hierarchy, cannot themselves be discriminated against. This mirrors a narcissistic method of control, wherein 'academic language' is used to push philosophical theories as fact, misleading people into interpreting structuralism and related concepts of 'implicit bias' as conclusive proof of racism. Basic social behaviors, like homophily—our tendency to trust those similar to us—are misconstrued as racism. Using unequal outcomes as proof of discrimination is problematic. When the intricate definitions of 'structural' or 'systemic' racism are distilled into everyday understanding, they often translate into the oversimplified belief that 'all white people are racist and don’t realize it.' This, as Noam Chomsky has pointed out, shows how postmodernist language, when reduced to plain terms, reveals the philosophical theory as fantasy. In this way, left-leaning academics have created language that can be used narcissistically to abuse or vilify individuals based on skin color or sex. AstroSQ (talk) 00:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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