Talk:Andy Segal

Article has WP:V, WP:COI and other issues

Resolved

A notable professional player (one with an article here) contacted me directly with the following, about artistic pool (and I've paraphrased a little, e.g. to add links, and to shorten/clarify some stuff):

I just stumbled upon Andy Segal's Wikipedia article. It seems very biased. Many of the alleged facts stated in that page are not cited to reliable sources and, in my opinion and experience, are not even true in some cases.

Only official competitions, sanctioned or televised, should be mentioned in a champion's bio. Mr. Segal is personally hosting several events a year for his own purposes, but they are not sanctioned by any sport governing body. The events use his own shots and rules, and only his friends are invited. The article appears to promote these private events, and seems to have been written or extensively edited by him or someone close to him. I could host similar things in my basement just about every weekend, but that would not make them notable. There is no value to most of the "titles" he lists and his page definitely needs to be fixed to comply with Wikipedia standards.

I'm in the process of moving across the country and have only intermittent Internet access, so I'm not in a position to do anything about this myself right now.

— SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 04:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Everything listed here is factually accurate. Every title has been researched and validated. Please visit the references listed in the article for confirmation. To my knowledge, the only competitions and Andy Segal has anything to do with (regarding running or organizing the event) are the Ultimate Trick Shot tournaments (www.ultimatetrickshottour.com). All of the others are run by third parties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hudsonapa (talk • contribs) 19:29, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

The sources cited do not cover all details provided in this article, and furthermore do not all appear to qualify as reliable sources for Wikipedia purposes. I concur with the pro who's concern I reposted here that this article has genuine and serious WP:COI and WP:SPAM problems; it appears to be using Wikipedia as a soapbox for self-promotion by Mr. Segal and/or his agents (or possibly just fans whose actions he has not sanctioned). This is an encyclopedia, not an infomercial. PS: Do not remove from article talk pages other people's posts regarding potential problems with an article again, or you may be blocked for vandalism. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 06:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I've spent all day overhauling it, after it was incrementally improved for several years. It's much better now.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  16:18, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Proof of COI

The creator and principal editor of Andy Segal is in fact Andy Segal (or partner/employee thereof), editing as Hudsonapa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (this user has since been indefinitely blocked for making legal threats). Proof: http://hudson.apaleagues.com/Contact.aspx which as of this writing reads:

American Poolplayers Association
APA Pool League of Hudson Cnty. [New Jersey]
Office Staff:
Andy Segal,
League Operator

— SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 09:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

BLP Violations

I have cleaned up the article somewhat and removed most of the biographical information and some information sourced to bad refs. His career needs expansion though. Bjelleklang - talk 22:10, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

It's updated somewhat, but a lot of this seems to peter out around 2015, due to the main artistic pool sites not being all that current.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  16:18, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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Additional COI problem

It's been pointed out that Andy Segal actually runs ArtisticPoolPlayers.com. Citations to that site should be replaced with ones to WPA-APD.com (World Pool-Billiard Association's Artistic Pool Division, ArtisticPool.org, and other sites that do not have a direct connection to Segal. ArtisticPoolPlayers.com is not an independent source and may be self-published (though it might also have a professional editorial staff).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  23:29, 27 November 2017 (UTC)