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Kuči tribe

Hello, i am asking for advice.

In Kuči article there is a dispute about origin. While i think that direct, modern and academic source that directly addresses the claim of the origin and calls tribe "mixed in origin", which is based on the Ottoman census data from the creation time of the tribe (end of 15th century), some other editors are disagreeing and base their opinion on sources that comment on a 17th century language report by some catholic priest. While i have no problem with that report, as i've stated in the talk page, i don't think that something that happened 2 centuries later and only has 1 report, can be used to form an opinion that the tribe was Albanian in origin. I am saying opinion, because no source states directly that the tribe is Albanian in origin, and while they found sources that will group up this tribe with Albanian ones, those books don't talk about source, mostly about rules and traditions which are basically the same for all the tribes in North Albania, Montenegro and Herzegovina.

Talk page discussions go nowhere, as they don't want to agree to anything, and i am the only one that has to talk there. As you can see, few of them that are in my opinion holding the article as a hostage, make changes without any communication between themselves, in a short span of time.

I tried opening dispute resolution, but i doubt they will answer at all, as they didn't in the last 24 hours (keep in mind, if i make an edit now on any of the articles they control, i am reverted in about 5 minutes).

There's no reasoning with them, they claim that the question of origin doesn't need to be answered as it's WP:BLUESKY, which clearly it's not.

I always assume good faith, but based on their behaviour on other articles as well, i am starting to doubt that.

For example, they created page for Drekalovići, which is a brotherhood in Kuči (and was covered by that article), but they claim it's a tribe (they use sources that claim nothing like that, and won't change that or delete the page) just so they could stack Albanian tribes sidebar, which they push into articles.

They also constantly push for the Albanian variation of the name Kuči, instead of using English one. Both in the article, as well as in the talk page. They are slowly changing article until only the Albanian name is left, and that again makes me think that they have nationalistic POV which hurts the discussion. I asked them to at least not use that in talk page, but they declined.

I am doing my best here not to accuse them of something like tag teaming and pushing agenda, but it's really getting hard.

What can be done? Sorry for the long post. Setxkbmap (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really, what you need is more eyes on the discussion. An RFC would be appropriate. This is a pretty complex issue regarding questions of sourcing and synthesis. I have no idea who in this dispute is correct. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 22:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I never expected you to get into the sources, i just think that their way of working is wrong.
I will try RfC once dispute resolution is closed, which i assume will happen soon as they will never respons.
Thank you! Setxkbmap (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The synthesis part will be key. I look at Albanian in origin and immediately think hell yeah [citation needed]. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 22:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! Setxkbmap (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)/[reply]

A quick thank you...

...for your rapid response to my IP block exemption request, two years in a row. You make my life here on Wikipedia much easier, and your work is very much appreciated! Curt 内蒙 17:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're so welcome! And thanks right back at you. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 17:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy First Edit Day!

Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society

Dear Jpgordon,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more. ​

Best regards, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

  • Decline reason:
  • The 161... address is indeed a blocked proxy. Your 192. address is local just to your device or local router. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 20:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but this response does not actually state a reason for the decline. This is a home internet router. And I haven't edited anything on Widipedia in a very long time. Indeed our fiber hookup was just installed this last week so that IP address should be brand new anyway. -- Mcorazao (talk) 21:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the decline is that the 161... address is indeed a blocked proxy; it's McAfee's anonymization network, which we don't allow under WP:PROXY. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 22:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, dumb question, but is there an easy way to get off that proxy? I use my work computer (from home) a lot and this is the way it is configured. (Not a big deal since I don't plan to get heavily involved with WP again, but still.) -- Mcorazao (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, I don't know offhand; I've not used anything McAfee in a long time. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey JP, I noticed your procedural decline at Notwally's Talk page and it dovetailed nicely into this "investigation" I'm doing of a new user named Starinthemirror. I believe they are likely Knowitall369, the user with whom Notwally was edit-warring. Knowitall hasn't edited since I blocked them for 48h on September 11. However, Star has been harassing Notwally on their Talk page and filed a report at ANI (which I removed twice). In addition, Star is saying essentially that Notwally is reverting at various articles without explanation or discussion on the Talk page (the former isn't accurate), which is precisely what Knowitall has complained about. Could you please compare the two?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, please @Jpgordon, give @Bbb23 a hand with investigating this. Honestly, I’d be honored if you thought I joined WP 14-years ago, so no shame there! Go ahead and look into everything thoroughly—compare whatever you need, and investigate this with your full focus. Time waste - @Bbb23you dont own WP. We are all the same and @Notwally Is deleting since 7 week content without any explanaions or discussions in Talk pages. Dont know whats so hard to understand here. Starinthemirror (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This one needs to go to a full SPI. My own quick look shows intersections between this new account and a couple of others, with possible connections to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kcosip/Archive, but I don't have time today to do a proper analysis. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 17:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do your full analysis ASAP since you’ve gone ahead and accused me of being a sock puppet. Now I’m actually interested to see what you come up with. Starinthemirror (talk) 17:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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