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Blurpinkle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)Contested speedy. Neologism with notability asserted by submitter, but with most Google hits being eBay references pointing back to submitter's commercial art operation. --Finngall talk 19:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep This aticle was created as an expantion to the already established aticle on american entertainer Blackout of whom I an many others am a fan of and who's notability has already been well established in book, film, magazine, newspaper, as well as internet sources for over 10 years. Blackout.com and blurpinkle are free sites and while there is merchandise sold under the ebay username blurpinkle by Blackout (Michael Biggins) this does not negate notability. Does one delete Walt Disney because of the ridiculous amount of merchandising it does? My goal in this was to make it its own section to expand on the meditation, color explanation, and meaning behind blurpinkle, not to get people to buy anything, so I am removing any commercial looking links and expanding sniglet, spiritual, story and meditation meanings which are related to ascended master and violet flame meditation techniques which has a strong global human interest. Google is not the end all be all of research and unfortunately google usually puts commercial links FIRST in including EBAY because they are PAID to do so. ManofToth 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment What you say about Google may be true, but if one runs the Google search again leaving out all the eBay results, there isn't much left. --Finngall talk 19:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I am showing over 2000 Blurpinkle hits on google searching for blurpinkle -ebay links. The word is used by many people in various terms on all sorts of sights including social networking sites to refer to not only the color combo, but meditation, and acronym meanings. Example, the google search -ebay brings up various users using such as: "wishing you good blurpinkle vibes", you have a "blurpinkle aura", "send me some blurpinkle energy!". While this may be considered 'new agey' or silly to some, that is a matter of opinion and does not reduce notability. The word would definitely be referred to at this point as a sniglet with growing use. I have bookmarked somewhere a very long article from a national source on blurpinkle that has nothing to do with merchandising at all. Please give me more time to fill this out I do admit I saved it too fast without it being complete but I will rectify that. Thank you. ManofThoth 20:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)ManofThoth[reply]

Do you think the other pages should be added to this AfD? --Finngall talk 22:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the links at the end of Blackout (entertainer), I can see only one link that seems to be from a mainstream reliable source that is primarily about its subject, namely the magazine article at http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2003-07-24/news/blackout-com/ As far as I can tell, all of the other links on that page appear to me to be either supporting citations for other things in the article, self-cites, or (in the other case of a published source) a very brief mention in a listing. I'm not sure whether this is enough to meet the WP:BIO criteria, which asks for the subject to be the subject of multiple independent published works from reliable, verifiable sources. I'd certainly like to see more proof that this individual meets WP:BIO. -- The Anome 22:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would say nominate Gladys Ridgeford for deletion, and merge the other two, namely, Blackout (entertainer) and Michael Biggins into the latter, if not delete them outright. But I cannot see how it meets the notability criterion of WP:BLP. --soum (0_o) 04:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This has all been gone through before. I am not the person who has written everything on Blackout and or Michael Biggins, but I did contribute quite a bit when I saw the page getting vandalized every other day. User:CharnoMe did the majority of the original writeups and already fought this battle. Look at the history of the Blackout (Entertainer) page and the prank call page and you will see the original notability arguments that were all satisfied and sited by numerous contributers and defenders. Of course there are vandals who delete and change fact. Here is fact: NUMEROUS notability sources have been sited beyond the New Times article including Harley Hahns internet directory (2 million + copies in print) PRINT - at a bookstore, not a google search, of which I have a hard copy and will gladly scan for you, as well as television and film links on major networks which are online with full credits. Newspaper articles from the Miami Herald including reviews for his off broadway shows, and internick proof and real audio proof that this person was one of the internet streaming media pioneers as well as THE first to stream a prank call. Show me a streaming prank call and entertainment site before 1995 when 14.4 modems were around? I came on to defend an artist that I and many others have gotten much enjoyment from from his creativity. He is not a huge marketer, his sites are free. He now has a major movie coming out in theatres. What more notability do you want? Multiple newspaper articles and reviews as well as top honors in the biggest selling internet yellow pages hardcopy of all time. Must someone be a God to not be deleted in this place? All the sources are sited and he even came on one time himself in the discussion section on prank calls stating he was not a 'wikipedian' but he wanted to know if he was allowed to correct errors and vandalism/slander. Since he was not answered fans have taken on the task. I think the spirit of wikipedia should be to expand ideas and information on notable creatives. My favorites tends towards interactive artists and comedians, this is not a 15 year old kid trying to get hits to his website, he is an artist. His site is somewhere in the 300,000 alexa.com index, but that should not matter. I have written on his bulletin boards and mailing list for other wikipedians to make a statement here. In the prank calls section there is constant vandalism by people just trying to get there little shoutcast station at the top. This is not what this is about.

ManofThoth 23:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)ManofThoth[reply]

  • Comment Let's see. The "major movie" appears to be Film Contest?, which doesn't look all that major to me, but I'll let bigger film buffs than myself make that call. Also note that this is Biggins' only credit in IMDb. That doesn't preclude notability in other realms of entertainment, of course, but I thought it deserved a mention.
  • "[O]ver 2000 Blurpinkle hits on google searching for blurpinkle -ebay links": Okay, I checked this further, and if you filter out all the entries on blackout.com (most of which result from bulletin board entries), that leaves only 55 hits, and most of those are on flapdaddy.com and Myspace. Make of that what you will.
  • This isn't a vote. I look forward to seeing opinions of editors who support the retention of this article if that will help the creation of a consensus, but canvassing the bulletin board for support isn't quite kosher, and accounts and IP addresses with few or no edits beyond the subject of these article will be noted as such. --Finngall talk 00:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and Salt - Neologism without a source for its origin aside from links to the comedian's web page. Editor also appears to confuse Site (website?) with Citations(WP:CITE or WP:CITET).Also suggest deleting the articles mentioned by Anome. Aside from the small newspaper article none of appear to them reference anything aside from the comedian and his website directly.Optigan13 03:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT in response to Optigan13. Did you not read and check my above statements and also all the OUTSIDE of Blackout's SITE refernces? The cite and site were typos on my part. In both articles the references listed were two major national and international magazines - NEW TIMES and .NET. New Times has multiple references to Blackout/Michael Biggins in three seperate articles both online and in print. Harley Hans Internet yellow pages (one of the largest selling internet computer books of all time - over 2 million copies in PRINT) and as well as ONLINE has him listed 2nd under the BEST OF INTERNET HUMOR section. There is a full one page color article dating from 1998 (before this zolar and pcu shoutcast stuff that you promote all ver the place ever existed) on Blackout's streaming in the international worldwide magazine, as well as IMDB references, Miami Herald references, and Howard Stern commenting that he listen to his show - since you seem to think that Howard Sterm mentioning you (according to your Zolar and PCU contributions) makes one instantly notable for wikipedia. All of the refernces above (not all contributed by me - check the history of the entries) are NOT self references or Blackout.com refernces. They are all major, credible, independant OUTSIDE sources that have been listed, referenced, and linked to in the proper wikipedia format and not only meet but far exceed wikipedias notability guidelines. I should not have to repeat them in this discussion because YOU failed to look. You talk about Neologism when that is in fact what you are doing. Your only contributions to the PRANK CALL section were promotional listings and links to shoutcast radio websites for PCU and Zolar - both of which have have commercial advertising while contributions about Blackout's role include useful information on the time line and technology and growth of prank calling from tradd tapes to the modern mp3 and video streaming of today. Blackout's sites and live shows (at least on the internet) are FREE other than accepted donations. He should not be deleted because he happens to sell some things on ebay. I think the term for this is the pot calling the kettle black. I think blurpinkle should stay but am willing to clean it up and or merge it into one of the other categories if non biased wikipedians truly check the sources I have referenced and believe it should be done. Optigan13 and Anome are biased towards PCU and Zolar (which I have nothing against by the way - I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of there comments for delation because of blatent promotion when the contribs they did were blatent promotion with no other information other than site links). I do not, however, feel that Blackout & Michael Biggins should be merged. Even though one person, they are two distintly billed personas with most notabiliy going to Biggins performing as Blackout, yet IMDB lists him as both Michael Biggins and Blackout, and various outsite sources review him as actor Michael Biggins (example, the herald review of the off broadway play "Grandma Sylvia's Funeral". Also, I think listing every character he does on one page would ridiculously clog up the page. These characters are known and have thousands of links to them from every media combing site from ebaums to xxxyz video & prank site.

In any case, I am out to improve, not destroy or delete. ManofThoth 16:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)ManofThoth[reply]

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