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Release date

It's not an opinion that IGN/GS summary pages are frequently wrong. It is an observable fact that goes to the summary pages' reliability (they do not have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy as far as the summary pages are concerned.) Additionally, the date is not verifiable as Ubisoft's site does not even have a page on NMH and there have been no press releases announcing the date. It appears that IGN made up the date out of thin air.

We've had constant problems over at The Orange Box thanks to GS/IGN not updating their game summary pages; the European release date was moved up (from the 14th to the 11th) but neither of their game summary pages reflect that — even though you can find the press release confirming the change on GS's site!

No site's summary page (nor Amazon or any retailer) is very reliable for release date information. It comes down to this: if they have it right and you know that because the company announced it, then you should be citing the company's statement. And if you have no clue if they've got it right because the companies involved didn't announce anything then where the hell did they get the date from anyway? clicketyclickyaketyyak 23:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure. In all of the times I have used IGN, the site has never given me any false info, and was always right about the release dates. Therefore discounting IGN as a source is an opinion; we both have different experiences with IGN, and we cannot prove either side of the argument because we are both biased and lack concrete evidence of accuracy/inaccuracy (although if we automatically distrust all sites like IGN, then we end up with little to add to video game articles). Since I dislike extended arguments over trivial matters, however, I'll remove the info myself. On a side note, I wasn't aware that citing release dates was ever necessary, but I guess unreleased video games are an exception. Comandante42 (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying that IGN (and GS) as a whole are not trustworthy. Only that their summary pages are unreliable. Taking the example of GS, I find that the article they have on the press release of the release date is reliable, but its summary page listing the (incorrect) release date (still to date!) is not. The difference is that, while IGN/GS's reporting is reliable, their dedication to updating games' summary pages is not. No matter how many times you have found IGN/GS to be accurate in listing release dates, that they have gotten them incorrect (and still haven't corrected them to this day) is enough to disqualify them as having a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy on their game summary pages (again, not their articles.)
Release dates don't appear to be cited on a lot of articles, but in accordance with WP:VERIFY, if a release date is likely to be challenged (i.e. unreleased game or a game that changed its release date multiple times, causing confusion), it must be cited with a reliable source. clicketyclickyaketyyak 18:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The game was never called "HERO'S"

I've NEVER EVER seen anyone but IGN call the game that, I did a Google search (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22suda+51%22+%22HERO%27S%22+-%22ign%22&btnG=Search) for any mention to "HERO'S" that didn't also mention IGN, I saw absolutely no results other than misspellings of "No More Heroes" or referring to a "hero" in a Suda 51 game.

Someone needs to come up with better proof than "IGN said so" if that false piece of information should stay.

71.192.187.99 (talk) 17:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One of the earlier trailers, which should be floating around somewhere on the internet, clearly calls the game "Heroes." If you have trouble finding it, let me know.
Impala63 (talk) 12:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know that, but the article used to say the game used to be called HERO'S in addition to Heroes I edited it out, but someone edited it back in because I had no proof, since I couldn't say everything I wanted to in the edit summary when I edited it back out I made this topic on the discussion page. 71.192.187.99 (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I recall one of the issues of Nintendo Power had explained the title was changed from something to No More Heroes. But I thought I recalled it was More Heroes or something kinda positive sounding. However it is too bothersome to dig through previous issues to find a single line among many pages. I'll leave that to someone else (as it probably has already been done elsewhere on the internet). (It was most likely the issue with the lengthy interview, but I don't even recall which held that.) --67.165.251.114 (talk) 21:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was called Heroes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.211.49.5 (talk) 16:09, 26 January 2008 (UTC) The game includes the first trailer released. In the trailer itself, the game is called "Heroes."--75.92.186.211 (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final cover?

A different version of the cover appears on the Ubisoft online store. [1] It looks like its the final cover to me, but we should probably wait for confirmation before changing the article.Tehw1k1 (talk) 10:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Here's the URL:

http://ushop.ubi.com/shop/browse/popupProductDetails.jsp?productId=prod80159 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.238.191 (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suda's comments regarding 3rd party on the Wii misinterpreted?

Suda says he is concerned about how his comments regarding the success of 3rd party games on the Wii have been misinterpreted. The article here seems to be spreading this alleged misinterpretation, so you guys might want to do something about it.

I can't link straight to it, but go to this site, select English, and then "What's New?". It's the top entry.

http://www.grasshopper.co.jp/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.234.5.138 (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

beam katana

why is the 'beam katana' link on the page go to a page about lightsabers? they're completely different! Techo (talk) 16:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GameInformer: What weapons will Travis have at his disposal?
Suda 51: The light saber and only the light saber.
GameInformer: Huh. Well you probably can’t call it a light saber. (laughs)
Suda 51: Beam Katana. (laughs)
GameInformer: Yeah, George Lucas won’t mind Beam Katana. (laughs)
Suda 51: Maybe LucasArts cannot look at it and maybe people can be quiet about it. (laughs)
(-; clicketyclickyaketyyak 16:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thats what is inspired by buts its not a lightsaber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.72.140 (talk) 20:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian release date?

Why is the Canadian release date different from the US one? is there any type of valid source which explains this? I find it odd that the American release date is different from the Canadian one. AS Artimour (talk) 16:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian release dates are always different than the U.S. ones, except for big titles such as zelda, mario, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Vince (talk • contribs) 07:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is in order to comply to the laws in the province of Quebec... The instruction booklet and the cover need to be bilingual. Also, maybe it is just because they don't have enough copy... I pre-ordered my game and ebgames gave me a date, though I don't remember. [BOWi] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.208.22.129 (talk) 19:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, I think it's the damn french. Can't they just learn to speak English like everyone else in the world? clicketyclickyaketyyak 16:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol yeah, the back of my copy of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is so cluttered because of everything having to be repeated in French. I liked the packaging of Tales of Symphonia because they gave you a front/back cover that was in English and another that was in French; it was a great solution lol. I wish other games could be like that. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmation : Somebody said to me that Ubisoft made a bilingual version, that's why it is not the same distribution process. I'm going to be able to play NMH in my mother tongue, yeah! Any problem with that, Clicketyclick? Sure, I prefer to play in the original version, but... english is not the original version either... ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.208.22.129 (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt the game itself will be bilingual, just the packaging and manual. I do agree about the cluttering though. Although, more and more games I buy have two inserst which make it much easier. I just throw out the French one and keep the English stuff. Anyway, where's the source on the February 7 release date? Remember that stores aren't considered official, is there an official Ubisoft date set? -- 132.203.54.47 (talk) 01:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source: From Cedric Orvoine, PR for Ubisoft in Canada (French) (cedric.orvoine@ubisoft.com): "Jeudi le 7." [Meaning Thursday, February 7th.] 132.208.22.129 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.208.22.218 (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Character Page

I think there should be an article for the characters in this game. I hope I'm not alone when I say that the characters in this game are definitely interesting/eccentric enough to warrant a seperate article. The character links next to the voice actors merely redirect to the games' article. Tonku 20:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers in Plot section

Unless I'm mistaken, and I very well could be, Jeane's role in the game is meant to be a plot twist revealed near the end, making her description in the Plot section of the article a spoiler. Would marking it as such or simply mentioning she was Travis' former lover before they parted ways, as stated in the instruction manual, rather than completely expounding on her role be a better option? Jukt (talk) 13:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but according to WP:SPOIL, information should not be deleted because it spoils the ending. Billscottbob (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes?

I believe that this game is humorous enough to deserve a quotes page... Does anyone else think this should happen? T3H_CH0Z3N_0N3 (talk) 18:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See WikiQuote. Before creating such a page on WikiQuote, though, please read their guidelines for it since I am not familiar with that project. At any rate, it is definitely not appropriate here. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The beam katana links to lightsaber, which is complete garbage. They are 2 completley diffrent weapons and any relation is influential at best. 69.121.179.87 (talk) 00:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

pop-culture references

i feel this should be added as it is very important to the article but, its nothing big: heavily, towards the end of the game, there are countless references to star wars , dark star saying he is travis's father, concept art revealing the black riders as T.I.E riders , and the ending credits bare a resemblence to star wars credits in the music, font style and the starscape in the backround.

P.S. If you search around, there is a sign that bears a striking resemblence to the sex pistols never mind the bolocks cd cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.70.202 (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it looks terrible, there's no rhyme, reason and in many cases any substantial evidence that the reference was intended. The whole thing needs to be scrapped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.132.201 (talk) 04:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler in the "Cultural references" section

There's definately some spoilers there... And it spoiled my game... I'm pissed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.208.22.216 (talk) 23:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not use spoiler warnings nor censors material to prevent being spoilers per the general disclaimer. --MASEM 00:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of unsourced information

Particularly in the "cultural references" section. People are going a bit overboard with alleged references in the game, and it just looks absurd when we have paragraphs of "this may be a reference to..." or "this is likely a nod to..." It needs cleaning up, or these unsourced references are going to be removed by someone. Kelvingreen (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear phraseology:

Does ACCEPTING the job to kill Helter Skelter earn him Assassin rank 11, or does actually killing him earn the rank? The way the line is phrased in the article, it sounds like the former, though I suspect it's actually the latter. I have not played the game, however. Applejuicefool (talk) 17:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Travis becomes Rank 11 by killing Helter Skelter. I doubt that accepting to kill Helter Skelter would make him Rank 11, as that would not make any sense whatsoever. You know how they say; it's easier to say that you are going to do something that to actually do something. Prepsear (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo powere reference

It's from issue 226, the march issue. I'm sorry I couldn't cite it before, I'm still not used to the iner working of Wikipedia.(Fossilgojira (talk) 03:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Updates on sales

Does anyone know how many copies of this game have been currently sold at this point. Afterall, Febuary was four months ago, so the game should have at least sold a little more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.88.239 (talk) 05:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pure White Lover Bizarre Jelly

There used to be a wikipedia article for it, now there isn't. It's also not even mentioned in this article at all, despite it having a significant relation to the main character and many of his special abilities, etc. Not to mention Suda51 has also had talks of creating a realistic version of his fictional anime as a continuation of the NMH universe. --136.142.46.124 (talk) 15:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

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DumZiBoT (talk) 01:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DESPERATE STRUGGLE

WOOT!! I can't believe it's actually coming already but there is no console it's named for..... and from the title it might even be a DS game since some DS games like to come out DS slipped into the name Vault9Dweller (talk) 05:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It will be released for the Wii. Source. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 14:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for citing that because I was scared that it might be one Vault9Dweller (talk) 19:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add to plot

Wikipedia plots do not only contain a "summary", but the entire plot involving the ending. WP:WAF. Please finish it (no pun intended) 66.57.44.247 (talk) 03:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Henry's dialogue

I just made an edit changing "Henry reveals that Sylvia was his wife, they have a daughter together, and she did make everything up, and has a habit of disappearing before returning with lots of money (presumably due to conning people)." to "Henry reveals that Sylvia was his wife, and has a habit of disappearing before returning with lots of money (presumably due to conning people)."

Henry doesn't say he has a daughter with Sylvia, nor does he confirm explicitly that the UAA was a con. The ending can be viewed on this video on youtube: No more heroes real ending

Summary of the real ending might benefit from more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HungryHungryPanda (talk • contribs) 20:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Award section.

I just felt the reception is good and quite mixed between the ups and downs and it wouldn't hurt to have a little something after such positive reviews. There's nothing wrong with the article but it would be nice if there is something that stands out in the article. I already added the Game of the Year awards from Gamespot so consider that as a New Year present. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 12:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Lovikov Balls question

It says in the article "After each technique taught by Lovikov is learned, the Lovikov balls are again scattered randomly across town." I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding what's written here but this isn't how it is in the game. You can collect all the balls in one go if you desire and even if you do collect them seven at a time the locations of the remaining balls aren't continually randomised because there are maps of the locations of the balls available. Kurushi (talk) 15:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, on both what's written and what happens in-game. The balls are described at List of characters in No More Heroes#Randall Lovikov, including references to killer7, so I suggest removal of the text. Flatscan (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
okay, I just lopped it off. Kurushi (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Quick question

Does liking this game make me a weeaboo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.35.163.93 (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Source for you

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=244963 Enjoy! Axem Titanium (talk) 11:46, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't a lightsaber it is a beam katana so it shouldn't link to lightsaber GET IT RIGHT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.189.16 (talk) 01:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Sylvia Kristel

Sylvia Kristel is an actress famous for her role in a softcore erotic film. Surely this is worth mentioning in connection with Sylvia in the game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.29.97.60 (talk) 13:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Merging Heroes' Paradise into this article

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Withdrawn. QuietCicada - Talk 16:22, 16 December 2023 (UTC) Original comment: Since Heroes' Paradise is just an enhanced port (graphical improvements, minor convenience features, a few bonus boss fights) of No More Heroes with basically the same gameplay, how about adding to No More Heroes a paragraph about the changes, and adding the Heroes' Paradise reception in a subsection of Reception. Persona 5#Persona 5 Royal is a good example of what I'd like it to look like. QuietCicada - Talk 14:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I'm going to have to give a thumbs down to this merge suggestion, because the game's more than just a simple remaster. If the changes are solely graphical, I am more than willing to support a merge, but I also dislike merging for merging's sake when a game has some kind of distinct features, and this has new jobs, missions, bosses, modes and features in addition to the redone graphics. I also believe it wasn't the version ported to PC, making it something of a standalone oddity. Sometimes people forget Wikipedia is not paper and does not have to compress articles to the smallest amount possible. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: A section documentanting the changes, as well as a paragraph in the reception section in the main article is more than sufficient. OceanHok (talk) 06:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm a little skeptical of the notability of derivative titles, but in this case there are nuanced differences between the original, the Japanese and international Heroes Paradise versions and Red Zone due to an uneven localisation process, which seems on face value to be an interesting chapter of development. There's also some detail that could be added about the additional game modes. The article doesn't do a stellar job of describing the additions currently, but there is some value in having a standalone article providing more space to explain, even if it currently doesn't do that so well. The review sources also seem to go into some length of assessing the technical issues around the port's performance and controls on console. I don't know the game very well, so if the additions really are that superficial, even if complicated, please let me know. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 12:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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