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Category:People by neighbourhood in Texas

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete; only one category layer and I'm not fully sure that Kingwood can be classified as a neighborhood. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:03, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American convicts who became writers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:American convicts who became writers

Category:Noblemen in the Kingdom of Scotland

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, when fully populated this will largely overlap with Category:Medieval Scottish nobility. This is follow-up on this discussion which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
add the subcats of Category:Noblemen nomination here. @Marcocapelle: letting him know that I added these to this nom per his suggestion. Mason (talk) 13:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Novels about Go

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:Novels about Go

Category:People from Milovice (Nymburk District)

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: consistency with Milovice FromCzech (talk) 06:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Historians of Abraham Lincoln

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Biographers of Abraham Lincoln. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per WP:NONDEF. While I'm sure these people have written books on Lincoln, they aren't solely Lincoln historians or likely known just for that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Films about neuropathology

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:Films about neuropathology

Category:First-person shooter multiplayer online games

Nominator's rationale: This is a though one, but there are multiple reasons why this long-lasting category might not be as defining as everyone has once thought.

FPSMOGs are not a legitimate sub-genre of first-person shooters, while MMOFPSs considered one and Wikipedia has their own article on it. More importantly, most games in the FPS genre as whole will have online multiplayer, making it even more non-defining. This category isn't an entirely non-diffusing category and is also one of the only categories at the moment combing a genre and multiplayer online games.

This merge may make navigation harder, both the MOGs and FPS categories will contain 35-45 more articles, and that's okay. And besides not every single title that would fit into this category has been added here anyway.

For the subcategories we will instead replace the MMOFPSs category with category:Multiplayer online games and category:First-person shooters by series. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • question. okay, i see that you admit above that yes, there are many games that fall within this genre. ok. so your suggestion is that maybe we do not need a category to indicate them as multiplayer? i thought the category structure can encompass any valid distinctions. but is it truly the case that almost all fps games are multiplayer? if so, then maybe this suggestion would be viable. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point of information. Of course many FPS games are MOGs! an MOG game is any game that takes place over a single round, and is not a persistent world. that is exactly what most fps games actually are!! such as Call of Duty, Doom (video game), Battlefield 2, etc etc! are you saying they are not?
Sm8900 (talk) 15:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian women designers

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:57, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge per EGRS and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_December_3#Category:Women_designers Mason (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you suggesting that the subcategories need to be nominated for? All of them are in established "X by nationality" trees with dozens upon dozens of siblings for other countries, with no discernible reason why Canada should be uniquely excluded from established trees, so why would they need to be deleted? Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I am sorry but I just don't get it. Why would we remove the women subcat here, but keep a women subcat both at a higher level and at a lower level in the tree? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No worries. So my thinking is that Women designers isn't defining. It's a catch-all generic term, but the subcat is defining and well established, as is the parent; so I'm effectively suggesting we cut out the middle layer. Mason (talk) 23:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Women's baseball people

Nominator's rationale: Delete with no objection to recreate if there is more to add. Other than a defunct league, there are no other women's baseball leagues so this won't be populated any time soon. Note: these all are already in appropriate subcats so no need to merge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Just player is "Women", not all of people who involved in "Women's baseball" is "Women", that's why we need Category:Women's baseball people, Category:Women's baseball coaches. Category:Women's association football didn't add Category:Women in association football. HanTsî (talk) 08:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Philip K. Wrigley is not woman. HanTsî (talk) 08:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HanTsî (talk) 08:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's... not the point of this Cfd. Completely unrelated, in fact. Note: this is the creator of these categories and I think they are confusing an unrelated disagreement about categorization - which was resolved after they finally explained why they were doing so - with why I nominated these categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Women's baseball is nowhere near women's association football, unfortunately. Hence why I said "no objection to recreate" if there is more to add in the future. At the moment, there's nothing to add here and the rest of the categories in Category:Women's baseball will have to make do. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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So the basic jist is to keep Category:Women's baseball coaches but delete Category:Women's baseball people. @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, pinging for a consensus. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a reasonable solution Mason (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Category:NewsNet affiliates

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: OWaunTon (talk · contribs) attempted to nominate this category for deletion at AfD, which is not the right venue. Their rationale is as follows:

The network NewsNet ceased operations last month and is no longer affiliated with any stations now.
— User:OWaunTon 17:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

This is largely precedural and I offer little opinion or further comment; I do note that while it has been standard in this topic area for affiliate categories for defunct networks to eventually be deleted, a previous deletion nomination (by the category's creator, no less) did fail last month. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Religion in the Middle East

Nominator's rationale: West Asia and the Middle East largely overlap, so we do not need both category trees. It is better to keep West Asia because it is consistent with other subcategories in Category:Religion in Asia by region. Sakakami (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or reverse merge per nom and rename dependent on the merge direction. There is also this discussion which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose - The reason these categories "largely overlap" is entirely because the regions themselves "largely overlap". An incovenient fact, perhaps, but a reality that Wikipedia is bound to respect - and that our categories must reflect. (There are many other overlapping category trees that we maintain simply because they reflect aspects of the real world.) Furthermore, the term "Middle East" is well-known to the great majority of readers, who are unlikely to be familiar with the term "West Asia". Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Populated places in the Middle East

Nominator's rationale: the Middle East and West Asia are very overlapping. All subcategories are already in Category:Populated places in West Asia. Sakakami (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Former populated places in Southwest Asia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: C2D: Southwest Asia is a redirect to West Asia. Sakakami (talk) 18:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Shintoist superheroes

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category redirect with two targets. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American writers about The Holocaust

Nominator's rationale: "Writers about subject" category, newly created for just one person. There's no "Writers about the Holocaust" tree for this to be part of, and while there are obviously a lot of people (from throughout the world, not just the US) who could be added to such a category, it would have to encompass such an incredibly wide variety of different types of writing -- personal Holocaust memoirs, historical analysis, novels, poetry, and unfortunately even denialism -- as to not actually represent a unified group because they weren't all writing about the Holocaust in the same way, which is precisely why such an obvious "you would think it would already exist" category doesn't actually already exist. So the United States doesn't have any special need of this for just one person. Bearcat (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Category:Writers by subject area precludes different types of writing, does it? I mean, for example, the first three names in Category:Environmental writers are a photographer, a philosopher, and a documentarian. I'm sure those are all quite different, and yet I don't see why any of them would be removed. I don't quite see why Category:Writers about the Holocaust shouldn't exist, at least based on this argument. I do agree that this specific by nationality cat shouldn't exist without the parent, but I think the better solution would be creating the parent, and maybe merging this into that for the time being if there aren't enough Americans to justify the subcat. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it doesn't already exist, then there has to be a reason why it doesn't already exist, because it's such an obvious "you would think it would already exist" case that its failure to already exist has to have been actively thought out rather than simply overlooked by accident. Bearcat (talk) 15:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe it was overlooked by accident. Stranger things have happened. Assuming that there must be some justification without having any prior discussions to point to isn't how consensus is established. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 15:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the sheer number of editors on Wikipedia who focus exclusively on Holocaust-related content, there's precisely zero to the power of negative zero per cent chance of this ever being "overlooked by accident". Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have been surprised many times by the categories/trees I've found nonexistent on English Wikipedia. You're probably right about the odds, but you still can't assume what reason there or even that there was one. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 14:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After opening with the blatantly false assumption/premise that the category was "created for just one person", Bearcat then proceeds to lay out the very reason these categories are sorely needed. Precisely because they
"encompass such an incredibly wide variety of different types of writing -- personal Holocaust memoirs, historical analysis, novels, poetry" [as well as essays, short stories, plays and screenplays].
User:QuietHere makes an excellent point regarding the diverse contents of Category:Environmental writers -- which is not in the least exceptional in that respect. There are countless other Categories with a similarly diverse array of contents.
Nothing illustrates the compelling need for these categories more clearly than the cases of two people who are surely among the best known of all Holocaust writers:
Elie Wiesel, who got crammed into Category:Holocaust historiography;
and the magisterial Primo Levi, who was left out entirely.
In closing - I've made a good start on populating the new categories, and there is no shortage of articles to be added. And Category:Holocaust diarists now has a good home in Category:Writers about The Holocaust, alongside Category:Historians of the Holocaust. Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Furthermore, it is abundantly clear that we need categories for both novelists and children's writers, which I intend to create in the near future. Like I said above, there is no shortage of articles to be added to both categories. So I would genuinely appreciate it if you guys would back off a little and give me time and space to do this important work, instead of expending so much of my time & energy here.
@QuietHere: Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1982 Japanese television episodes

Nominator's rationale: Categories newly created just to hold redirects. These would be fine if there were actual articles about Japanese or German television episodes from these years to file here, but are not needed just to hold redirects to television series. Bearcat (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This has only just been created. Allow a chance for it be populated rather than just delete it straight away. Also what is wrong with a category composed of redirects? --Jameboy (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Allow a chance for it to be populated" with what? The content has to exist first, and then the category to contain said content comes second, not vice versa. And the purpose of categories is to help readers find articles, not redirects — so while redirects can be included where appropriate in categories that also contain articles, categories that exist exclusively to hold redirects without articles are done only as hidden project tracking categories, and not as end-user browsing categories. I mean, if we just exhaustively created a redirect from every episode title that has ever existed to the television series it was an episode of, and categorized them all here, then how would that be helpful to a reader at all? Episode categories in the mainspace tree need to contain at least some actual standalone articles about the episodes themselves to be useful, and are simply not needed just to hold redirects. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a link to a relevant guideline concerning the above? I looked at WP:ACATR and WP:RCAT and couldn't find anything that would prevent a category from containing only redirects. --Jameboy (talk) 18:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The intro of WP:CAT says that "the central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links to pages in Wikipedia within a hierarchy of categories". To, not between. Pages, not articles. It's true that most redirects aren't categorized in user-facing categories but WP:ACATR does allow for this in some specific circumstances and I think this falls under that. --Jameboy (talk) 20:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of the House of Commons of Canada by term

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:21st-century members of the House of Commons of Canada. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Misguided and deeply incomplete scheme of overlapping categories. WikiProject Canada has not established any consensus that instituting a scheme of categorizing Members of Parliament for each individual term that they served in the legislature is desired -- note that these were started by an editor from Bangladesh, not a Canadian, and did not exist at all until three weeks ago.
Each election sees only a modest turnover of membership, so the end of a parliament and the initiation of a new one results in a large percentage of MPs being reelected to another term -- meaning that a large percentage of MPs would have to be readded to each new category, resulting in extreme category bloat as MPs get added to two, three, four, five, six, seven or eight of these in succession.
Furthermore, the creator half-assed the job, creating these only for a few of the most recent parliaments and adding them only to eight MPs total -- but if this scheme is to exist at all, it would need to comprehensively exist for all 44 parliaments all the way back to 1867, and it would need to contain every person who had ever served as an MP at all, not just eight incumbent Conservatives.
Again, the Canadian contingent has never established any consensus that this is desired -- we categorize Members of Parliament by province and/or party, and use lists to handle the "who served in which Parliament" stuff -- and if there were a consensus to start doing this now, it would have to (a) come from Canadians, not Bangladeshis, (b) be named differently than "Canada MPs YYYY-YYYY", and (b) get seen all the way through to actual completion, across 44 parliaments rather than just three, and a few thousand MPs filed in the categories rather than just eight. Bearcat (talk) 23:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think categories should be created across all 44 terms of Canadian MPs like the Westminster Parliament. It cannot be done by any single person. So discuss. Tuhin (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bad idea for Westminster too, for many of the reasons I listed above — it results in extreme category bloat because most MPs have to be added to a new category each time they get reelected to the same job — so the fact that the British contingent have been doing this for Westminster is not a reason why Canada should be externally forced to do something that Canadian editors have explicitly decided that we don't want to maintain. Bearcat (talk) 14:23, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that, especially since somebody created Category:19th-century Canadian legislators, Category:20th-century Canadian legislators and Category:21st-century Canadian legislators a few years ago without actually fully populating them — I've started adding some people to them in stages once I discovered them a few days ago, but am very, very far from finished. Those don't already serve the full purpose you suggest — "legislators" in Canada would also include provincial and territorial MLAs, not just federal MPs, so what you propose would be subcategories of those rather than duplicates. But as long as somebody actually helps to populate MPs-by-century categories properly instead of leaving them for other people to discover four years after the fact, I'm okay with a more general and less "another new category every four years" solution, especially if it also gets extended to the other countries that have been going with the fundamentally bad idea of creating a new category for every individual election. If you get a small minority of people having to be filed in two categories while the majority are in just one, that's not nearly such a bloaty or overlappy problem as the majority of MPs having to be in five or six categories. Bearcat (talk) 17:49, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Disasters at organized events

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason (talk) 23:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A fire is not a crowd collapse, nor is the collapse of a stadium roof. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Spanish anarcho-syndicalists

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Category:Regional WikiProjects

Nominator's rationale: Even if there is some kind of distinction here, this seems very minimal with a huge overlap (when categorized correctly). Gonnym (talk) 16:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)≤[reply]

Category:Video game franchises by genre

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Category:Meteorites by name

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not a navigation to lower categories. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:21, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd say delete; Marco makes a good point. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Military humor in film

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Category:Pentose phosphate pathway

Nominator's rationale: Can someone take a look at these category (as well as others by DinosaursLoveExistence (talk · contribs)? I don't know enough chemistry to really evaluate whether this is actually defining or just more examples of non-defining/overcategorization by the same creator. Mason (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I'll drop a more urgent note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Molecular Biology. If there are no further comments in a week, I would close this as unopposed. But I really think the discussion would benefit from subject-matter experts' comments.
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  • Categorizing an enzyme or molecule as participating in primary metabolism pathways makes a lot of sense. These metabolic pathways are essentially what powers cellular life and enzymes or molecules are usually described in that context in reliable sources - i.e. these enzymes/molecules are essential to life as they take part in [EXAMPLE] pathway. To me that sounds like a defining trait.
Examples from Wikipedia:
Enzyme/molecule Metabolic Pathway
Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase Pentose phosphate pathway
Pyruvate dehydrogenase complex Citric acid cycle
Fructose-bisphosphate aldolase Gluconeogenesis/Calvin cycle/Glycolysis
Glucose 6-phosphate Glycolysis/Pentose phosphate pathway
Of course, there are plenty of small molecules that are not defined by a primary metabolic pathway, but these are usually either the inputs or outputs of these pathways and can be categorized separately. ― Synpath 17:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Paralympic medalists in athletics (track and field)

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Category:Magritte Award winners

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Category:Chiropractors by nationality

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Category:Employment contracts

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category made by the same underpopulating category creator Mason (talk) 01:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Employment contracts in France.
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LGBT nominations which were opposed at CFDS

Due to the way {{cfr}} works, some nominations accidentally link to this page. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 11 § LGBT nominations which were opposed at CFDS. Apologies for the inconvenience. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Category:Former voivodeships of the Second Polish Republic

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, the word "former" is redundant, since the Second Polish Republic is a former entity itself, it existed until 1939. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rus' principalities

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Thorough discussion, no indication that a WP:RELIST will help. Further actions for other categories can be the subject of their own CFDs and/or talkpage discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge as duplicates and the target is the older page. However after the merge the target may well be renamed to Principalities of Kievan Rus' after all. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:38, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
p. 419: After the Mongol invasion and the collapse of Kievan Rus', the [Riurikid] dynasty continued to give the definition and identity to the lands of Rus' that distinguished them as related and associated principalities. The dynasty continued to be the exclusive provider of legitimate rulers for the Rus' principalities.
In particular, the Principality of Moscow, which did not exist until 1283 (decades after the end of Kievan Rus' in 1240, and therefore was never a "subdivision of Kievan Rus'"), is commonly called a Rus' principality.
p. 425: Other scholars, implicitly discounting the influence of Kievan tradition, have cited different factors to account for Moscow’s ascendancy over the other northern Rus' principalities (...). Ergo, Moscow (Muscovy) was a "northern Rus' principality" itself as well.
p. 428: The Eurasian school of thought (...) noted as well the dramatic change that took place in the political structure of the Rus' principalities during the period of Mongol domination over them and concluded that Mongol influence contributed in significant ways to the transformation of the northern Rus' principalities into a state unified around Moscow (...).
The same goes for its rival, the Principality of Tver, which arose in 1246, 6 years after Kievan Rus' collapsed, but is still called a Rus' principality in the early 14th century:
p. 429: Disturbed in the first decades of the fourteenth century by the growing might of Tver, the khan shifted his support to Moscow with the intention of keeping the Rus' principalities weak and divided, submissive and obedient.
In mainspace articles like List of tribes and states in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine (where Rus' principalities redirects) and in templates like Template:East Slavic principalities we already follow this understanding. Although there is much overlap, these categories are not the same things, and they should not be merged. NLeeuw (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We already have Category:Subdivisions of Kievan Rus', Category:Principalities of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Category:Russian city-states. Why do we need another category? Mellk (talk) 13:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this aren't the same notions, "Rus'" in general refers to Eastern Slavic Orthodox lands, Kievan Rus' was one of the Rus' states.Marcelus (talk) 12:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Medieval Bahraini people

Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, confusing title for modern ears. In the middle ages Bahrain (historical region) was the name of Eastern Arabia. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:35, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Marcocapelle, I am afraid I am confused by this rationale. "Medieval" is certainly not the modern era, and if it was known as Bahrain (historical region) in the Medieval era, shouldn't the Medieval era follow that naming convention? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Category:21st century in Manama

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, the target is otherwise empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Medieval Azerbaijani architects

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, User:HistoryofIran reverted my addition of Ajami Nakhchivani to this category as "anachronistic". That is a fair point, Nakchivan was part of Iran-centered dynasties at the time. But if it is anachronistic for one article, it is also for the other. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thanks for making the nomination, as this is indeed anachronistic. For those interested, there is more information here [2] [3]. HistoryofIran (talk) 08:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hong Kong women rappers

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Hong Kong rappers and Category:Women rappers. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 07:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:12th-century establishments in Azerbaijan

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, single-article isolated category and the 12th century is uncertain (it could be earlier). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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