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September 17

Editing a table

Hey everyone! I am asking on editing a table to add note that Safari 18 dropped support for JPEG-2000. However, while I was able to update the table on JPEG-2000 page, I can't seem to edit the Safari text to add a note saying Safari 18 dropped support and earlier versions supported JPEG-2000 in visual editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CKing123 (talk • contribs)

@CKing123: Some tables like the first column of JPEG 2000#Applications 2 use features which prevent editing with VisualEditor. You can switch to source editing on the pencil icon at the top right. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! CKing123 (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Customising Navbox

Hey there, I'd like to enquire how I can customize my navbox to use custom colours (check my userpage, it's the first dropdown) as I've seen with some other users. Henry (talk) 05:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Have a look over at Help:Table § Colors in tables TiggerJay (talk) 05:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Appreciate it. Henry (talk) 11:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the examples provided in the help article hasn't worked. Thanks for the assistance though! Henry (talk) 04:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Henry Herrmann-Friedrich: See Template:Navbox#Style parameters for where to place color code for backgrounds. If you want to change text color then wrap the text in code like <span style="color:green;">...</span>? If the text is linked then the code has to be inside a piped link like [[Example|<span style="color:green;">Example</span>]] to produce Example. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

how to create a Wikipedia page for my NGO?

How to create a page for my NGO from India Haindaveeyam Foundation Haindaveeyam Foundation (talk) 09:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't. Wikipedia articles must be neutral – experience has shown that people have great trouble writing neutrally about organisations they have founded or work for (see our conflict of interest guidelines). You're better off waiting for someone else to do so. – Teratix ₵ 09:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, you need to change your username (or, more easily, abandon the account and create a new one). Wikipedia accounts are for individuals, and may not have a name that suggests that they are represent an organisation. See the Username Policy

Note also that promotion of any kind (ie, telling the world about your organisation) is not permitted in Wikipedia, and that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

(You may be wondering why, if telling the world about your organisation is "promotion" and not permitted, we have articles about organisations at all. The answer is that most such articles were not written by people connected with the organisation, and what they tell is what independent commentators have published about the organisation, not what the organisation itself says or wants to say). ColinFine (talk) 09:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

New article creation: No draft option shown.

When I try to create a new article - say AnyNewTitle - then I get the suggestion to start in my personal space under Special:Mypage/AnyNewTitle. But I do not get the suggestion to start it as Draft:AnyNewTitle. Why? Isn't this the purpose of draft space? --KnightMove (talk) 12:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

How are these suggestions being provided? You may create drafts by using the WP:WIZARD. 331dot (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

When clicking AnyNewTitle I see text made by MediaWiki:Newarticletext:

Before creating an article, please read Help:Your first article. We recommend that new editors use the Article wizard.

Both links eventually lead to an option to create a draft although you have to enter the title again. I think it's OK you have to read some advice before getting to the draft namespace. Otherwise we would probably get more junk drafts, and confused users who don't have a submit button on their draft and don't know what to do. Often they think the draft has been submitted when they click "Publish", so they don't do more and nothing ever happens. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

wrong, offensive, antisemetic content

“zionism” is simply believing that the jewish people have a right to have a homeland. the page on zionism is antisemetic, accusing jews of being colonizers, illegal settlers, and wanting to get rid of palestinians. this is not true, and quite offensive. Zionism 2607:FEA8:87C0:7780:797F:5E58:5868:CD8E (talk) 13:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If you have any doubts about the contents of the page, you can click the source citations near any claim for material that backs up that claim. As a contentious topic within the sphere of the Arab–Israeli conflict, it is held under extra scrutiny to be fully verifiable. See also WP:Wikipedia is not censored. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Due to the restrictions around that topic area, you are not permitted to edit about this topic; you must have an account that is 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Vinnie Tortorich

Why is Vinnie Tortorich not on wikipedia? 2601:645:D80:F050:3921:71B5:461A:5FB2 (talk) 17:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Because no one has written an article about him that summarizes what independent reliable sources say about him and what makes him a notable person. 331dot (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If a person doesn't have a Wikipedia article, they likely lack notability by Wikipedia's standards. If you believe this individual is notable enough for an entry, you can request for their article to be made. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Be advised that RA is backlogged to the point of uselessness. 331dot (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

An article at Vinnie Tortorich was created in 2010 and deleted in 2019. Requests for undeletion were declined at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 342#Vinnie Tortorich, Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 367#Vinnie Tortorich and Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 368#Vinnie Tortorich. See also Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2023 May 30#Missing personality. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Change main title

Trying to modify name from Cecil Williams South Carolina Museum to

South Carolina Civil Rights Museum Clarendon26 (talk) 17:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Changing a title is called a page move. That may be requested at requested moves, if you think it will be completely uncontroversial. Keep in mind the official or legal name is not necessarily the title of an article here, see WP:COMMONNAME. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

It was called the Cecil Williams South Carolina Civil Rights Museum but according to the official website it is now the South Carolina Civil Rights Museum. The page isn't move protected, but you should explain on the talk page why the name has changed, this isn't clear.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

September 18

Notable?

Whenever I stumble across an image that illustrates something important such as the Shakespearean character Falstaff and I do not recognize any actor's names in the caption [1] and the actors are not linked to their own page here at WP, it draws my curiosity to the either the image's notability or the connection it has to something else listed at WP. In this instance, the Pacific Repertory Theatre. It reads extremely promotional, and does not seem to be any more notable than any other regional theater across the country, and tries to come across more important than it is by linking other notable names. Golden Bough Playhouse may be the theatre's home, but even that only links to Edward G. Kuster. I am bringing it here to the Help Desk rather than the Talk Page for two reasons: 1. The Talk Page does not get enough traffic for a discussion, and 2. the last two AFDs I put up for deletion were actually just poorly written articles and either were merged or enhanced to the point of "KEEP". Before I place this up for AFD, should this article be 1. merged, 2. heavily scrubbed, or 3. placed up for AFD? Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 01:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Regarding PRT, it seems like it meets the criteria of WP:LOCAL and has been sufficiently covered locally by multiple independent sources in the local area. It does seem that GBP has recently been turned into a redirect to Kuster by an experienced editor, although it does not appear that it was ever discussed, but a AfD was briefly brought up in the talk of GBP. I would think that it simply need to be edited following the guidance at LOCAL. TiggerJay (talk) 03:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Maineartists: WP:LOCAL is an essay, and even that essay acknowledges that an article about a company (in this case a nonprofit corporation) should cite sources that have a national, or at least regional, audience.

The threshold of notability here is WP:CORP, period. If it doesn't meet the criteria, it's ripe for AFD nomination. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Anachronist and Tiggerjay for all this. As GBP was merged, I am wondering if this theatre needs its own page at all since it is covered quite well on the page Carmel-by-the-Sea, California under Arts and Entertainment: [2]. Since the PRT page needs a good scrubbing, most of the LOCAL and CORP info would be reduced to what is found at CBTS. There are only a few sentences that need be added to the A&E section. Maineartists (talk) 04:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I wouldn't be opposed of merging it into the Carmel article either and stripping out some of the unnecessary promotionalism. TiggerJay (talk) 05:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I just discovered that PRT not only has its own page, but it also is mentioned at Carmel by the Sea, California and has its own section at Forest Theater [3]. I've placed a "Proposal to Merge" on the Talk Page of Forest Theater: [4] but regardless, the original PRT page should be merged or be placed for AFD. Maineartists (talk) 23:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Could I ask someone to take a few pokes at one of my sandbox pages for some citation stuff?

Hi all, I've been messing with re-using citations for some complex sources, where I want to cite specific page numbers, add a quote (to back the citation/reference) and minimize the number of cited objects in the References sections. I've gone through Preview-level tests and messed with enough various citation templates that I'm not sure at this point which is best for my needs. If it's easier, by all means edit this:

User:Very Polite Person/test3

I don't know what the right formulation for this is... so in that example, I have one source that I used in Born secret. What I want to do is have the single 'object' for that, and then use some other template to repeatedly use that same reference name/link, but then for each new invocation, add a unique page number and a unique "quote" field for each. Ideally, each new citation would be clickable to go back to the main/mother ship Reference citation.

Kind of like these, but I'm not sure what is the right combinations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Very_Polite_Person/test3#cite_ref-2

By all means you have permission to edit that page for this! I am a big fan of re-using my templates for references to keep things simple, so I just need one feasible example (if this is a thing that is possible). If this isn't the right help desk to ask, which could be best? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Quotations require citations, citations do not require quotations. to back the citation/reference suggests to some that you aren't comfortable with the reliability of the source. I hacked your sandbox but left your quotations. In a real article, I would likely have deleted them.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 02:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I've kinda self-recruited myself to help police a... contentious BLP article I came across and started an article that's a bit in my wheelhouse (and also... contentious), and wanted to build up an article that I've had my eye on for a while for a broad set of sciences I am interested in. I was thinking of using quotes down in the References section to minimize any agita by all involved, by being beyond transparent what I'm drawing my sourcing from. So just a page number at most, even for contentious stuff? I have a number of sources like this one for various articles, some of them deep into the double digits or more that I've bee wanting to begin working off. I could be pulling 10, 20 usages off some of them, sometimes from the same page for different ends. Really, just the page number is plenty?

And thanks for that edit, that's neat--does that template/inline linking there just default to the first character set of the reference 'anchor'? What if I have several sources from the same author, like multiple different "Wellerstein", different sources, but same year? Just use some other character string to differentiate? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Generally, the page number is enough. A reader who is sufficiently interested in consulting your source can (should) read the sourced material in its own context, where it is free from any real or perceived en.wiki bias.

{{harvnb}} accepts one to four author surnames and a year. From these it makes a link to CITEREF<name1><name2><name3><name4><year> (no spaces). At the same time, the cs1|2 templates create an identical target ID from the first four author surnames and the year portion of the source's publication date. When there are multiple sources by the same author(s) in the same publication year, to disambiguate, append a lowercase letter to the publication date:

{{cite book |last=Wellerstein |date=1900a |title=Title One}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900a (target)

{{cite book |last=Wellerstein |date=1900b |title=Title Two}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900b

{{harvnb|Wellerstein|1900a|p=35}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900a (link)

{{harvnb|Wellerstein|1900b|p=35}} → CITEREFWellerstein1900b

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Policy about quotation marks in a song title

I was looking at Hyakuman-kai no "I Love You" because of its DYK and I could swear there was a policy where you reduce the quotation marks in a title to single quotes if it's referred to in quotes (so the title of the article would be the same but in the text the song would be referred to as "Hyakuman-kai no 'I Love You'"). I can't find it, so maybe I hallucinated it... if someone could direct me to that policy (if it exists) it would be greatly appreciated. AsYouWish13 05:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

That's not a policy. It's just standard American English. Per Quotation mark, "In American writing, quotation marks are normally the double kind (the primary style). If quotation marks are used inside another pair of quotation marks, then single quotation marks are used." Clarityfiend (talk) 08:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

AsYouWish13, are you looking for MOS:"? Folly Mox (talk) 14:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@AsYouWish13: The specific guideline for the usage in question is MOS:QWQ. Note the last sentence there for how to add a thin space between the closing single and double quotes. Deor (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

How to cite hardcopy sources which has no softcopy available on the internet

There's this 100yr jubillee book of the church which has the list of former layministers and sacristans. But i have doubt adding it here beacuse i cant refer it to a softcopy like a pdf on the internet. is there a way to add info from a source where a sopftcopy or a url for it is unavailable? VihirLak007 (talk) 08:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia content is based on reliable published sources. They can be either hardcopy or softcopy, but they must be published, i.e. available to the public. If they are not published they cannot be used for Wikipedia content. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

if its available in a public library, which is in this case the public library of the church where the jubilee book is available for anyone to read, how can i cite it? any template? VihirLak007 (talk) 08:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

VihirLak007, you are describing a self-published source that can only be used with great caution, and the relevant policy language is at WP:ABOUTSELF. For a template, see Template: Cite book. Cullen328 (talk) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

donation

Dear all, I wanted to make a donation, but you ask to much privacy information: name, email address, and then you also would know my bank account, which i don't like. Sorry. 2A02:A440:569D:1:94F9:E822:6B82:19AA (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

That is really no different from making any other donation or purchase online, but you can find alternative ways to donate at https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Translated name of an institution

Our hospital (Hôpitaux universitaires de Genève, a French name) has in the distant past used one English translation (Geneva university hospitals) of its name. Today, common practice and the formal decision to simplify down to the singular form in English, prefers the version: University hospital of Geneva. This is problematic as the Wikipedia page is of course titled as per the old translation : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_University_Hospitals

Should I - and if so what are the repurcussions in terms of referencing - attempt to CORRECT that page title, and all the mentions therein? Or just leave it as is.

Curiously, the Wikimedia Commons label, under the External Sources section of our wiki page states having "media related to University Hospital of Geneva", the correct later English translation.

The whole question arises in my mind as I started looking at updating the page of our new director general, where I was on the point of adding : "He is currently director general of the (later English translation name)" which, of course, would not match the name on the wikipage currently.

Thank you for your advice ! InstitCommsHug (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, please know that your username is against our username policy. Your username cannot be that of your job or part of the company("Comms"), it must represent you as an individual, as only a single person should have exclusive access to your account and may not share it with others. Please go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to request a change of username. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Understood, thanks very much and will do (the change request.) InstitCommsHug (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@InstitCommsHug Changing the title of an article is done by moving it to the new name. In this case the hospital's own website (English version) still shows its name as Hôpitaux Universitaires Genève. Once we have a reliable source, even the institution's own website, that documents what you call the "formal decision" to make the change to "University hospital of Geneva", then Wikipedia will follow suit. As a WP:PAID editor, there are some things you need to do (see that linked page) before you provide the move request, which can be on the Talk Page of the article using the edit request wizard to draw it to the attention of uninvolved editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME is also relevant; the official or legal name of a topic is not necessarily the title of its article. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

for PANCREAS (edit) I propose this link in "ADDITIONAL FUCTIONS":

!N "ADDITIONAL FUNTIONS" : HELP

Recently, an unprecedented role in pancreatic carcinogenesis has been highlighted through the concentration and elimination of radiocesium in pancreatic juice. Studies by Nelson, Sodee, Bandazhevsky, Venturi, and others, have reported that pancreatic cells have a high capacity to concentrate the harmful radioactive Cesium in experimental scintigraphies with Cs-137 and in soils polluted by radioactive fallout in mammals (mice, dogs and humans) and also in birds and fish (chickens and carp).

Xventuri (talk) 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

This is best directed to Talk:Pancreas. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Xventuri Note that Wikipedia has very stringent sourcing requirements for medical claims, explained at WP:MEDRS. I don't think these sources qualify but you can discuss that on the Talk Page of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I note that you have already added material to the Italian Wikipedia and marked it as a "minor" change. That is not how such an addition would be considered here (see WP:MINOR). If you are in any way related to the author Venturi of the 2021 article (as seems possible given your username), you should carefully read this advice about conflict-of-interest editing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I am the author ( Venturi Sebastiano) of the two modifications in PANCREAS Wikipedia ( it and en.)

https://www.bing.com/chat?q=venturi+sebastiano+researches&qs=SYC&showconv=1&sendquery=1&FORM=ASCHT2&sp=4&ghc=1&lq=0 Xventuri (talk) 16:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why this one page isn't showing as "disambig" while others do

Hello. I just hit my 20 year editor mark and was checking on the articles I've created via this page. I noticed that the Harry Williamson disambig page shows on my list as "Unknown" in assessment while a very similar page, the Anita Miller disambig page shows up correctly as a disambiguation page. I've checked and they seem to have the same basic structure in terms of how they were created, categories, talk pages, etc. Not a huge deal but it's made me curious. What am I missing? Thank you. Jessamyn (my talk page) 19:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jessamyn: I made null edits of Harry Williamson and Talk:Harry Williamson. It changed from "Unknown" to "Disambig". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I have learned a thing today. Jessamyn (my talk page) 15:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

How to verify unpublished information obtained by a professional journalist (who is a Wikipedian)?

A person, the topic of a Wikipedia article, died about a year ago. Reliable sources conflict or are ambiguous when they died. I started a talk page discussion. About a year later, a journalist who wrote one of the sources, who is also a Wikipedian, posted in that discussion saying they have personal correspondence from the family confirming the date of death. They want to know how to add this information. -- GreenC 22:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

If reliable sources conflict on the date then just give both dates and both sources. Sources must be both published and accessible to the public (or at least some members of the public). See WP:PUBLISHED and WP:PUBLISH. Personal communication is not "published" by Wikipedia standards and is not accessible to the public, and cannot be used as a source. Meters (talk) 23:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

But if the journalist in question is, in due course, able to have the date published in a source considered Reliable by Wikipedia's criteria, as presumably was their previous piece, that new published piece could then be cited in the article. Remember, Wikipedia has no deadlines, and every article is open to future improvement. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.83.137 (talk) 11:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

September 19

Uploading logos from official Facebook pages?

What is the policy regarding official logos found in Facebook? I was planning to upload church logos from official Facebook pages of churches to be used only in their respective articles' infoboxes. Are we allowed to upload such logos to Commons or Wikipedia under a Fair Use license or something else? Sanglahi86 (talk) 11:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sanglahi86 welcome to help desk! Logos are usually copyrighted (likely so) in which case they cannot be uploaded to Commons, but they can be uploaded to Wikipedia, provided they comply with Wikipedia:Logos criteria, specifically being used inside an actual mainspace article and other WP:NFCC criteria. This goes above and beyond the general Fair use criteria that newspapers might use. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Specific Dump

Hi, I would like a dump for the following: All Featured articles, All featured lists, All good articles, and all Vital Articles (All levels). Preferrably in separate files for each of the requests. And also preferably in html, pdf, or a similar format. I don’t like the xml one due to it having the coding and unnecessary stuff included. Is this possible? Thanks, MrM MiniMikeRM (talk) 12:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@MiniMikeRM Help:Export doesn't reveal any obvious solutions. This might be a better question for Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Downloading all articles and filtering might be the other possibility. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

There have been a few similar questions both here and at the Teahouse recently. @MiniMikeRM, is this related to a school project? Madam Fatal (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Both for school and personal MiniMikeRM (talk) 11:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion: Draft space vs. drafts in user space

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Candidates states that respective article for deletion "are not moved to user space for fear of establishing a precedent that any premature article about an as-yet-unelected candidate for office can be kept in draftspace pending election returns, effectively making draftspace a repository for campaign brochures". This sentence mixes draft space and user space. Please for clarification: When an article for deletion is considered good enough to be kept as a draft - when is it moved to draft space, when to user space? --KnightMove (talk) 15:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KnightMove. I very much suspect that that sentence partly predates the introduction of Draft space. Since Draft space has been around, I've never heard of anybody moving an article from mainspace (or Draft space) to User space.

I suggest that "user" should be replace by "draft" - but it's probably best to ask on the talk page of the page you've quoted. ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Please a follow-up question: Do you remember how it was called in the past when an Article for Deletion got moved into user space? I see that now the result of a discussion may be "The result was Draftify." In former times, I have found "The result was incubate." to move the page to Wikipedia:Article Incubator/pagename. Are there examples for pages being moved to userspace in those cases, and how has the result been called then? --KnightMove (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, KnightMove. Have a look at WP:Userfication. I don't think it's had any real edits since 2022. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 19 Se tember 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Then as probably last question: How was the AfD discussion result then worded? I would assume "The result was userfy.", but Google finds for this wording only one single example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ela Mishra (from 2021). --KnightMove (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I have seen "The result was userfy" as the outcome, but only in WP:MfD for essays that are published to Wikipedia: space when they should stay as user essays or projects. Reconrabbit 18:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Templates are sometimes userfied as well. Articles almost never, as far as I'm aware. Folly Mox (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

This search shows a half dozen articles userfied from AfD within the past two years. Folly Mox (talk) 16:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Laura Loomer

Laura Loomer posted on X that there are Wiki articles about her that are not true but you will not allow her to delete or refute them. Is this true? 108.51.235.29 (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Obviously there is the article Laura Loomer, and when she is considered relevant and a public figure, then she has no right to get her article deleted. I won't get into this whether she tries to get biased content removed, or wants to introduce biased content herself, or both. --KnightMove (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

It is not true that she is not allowed to refute what is said about her, but she may not know the right way to do it. If Loomer or anyone else has specific concerns about that article, the place to discuss it is Talk:Laura Loomer. Another, higher visibility option is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

By the way, the archives of the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard show that Laura Loomer has been discussed there three times over the years. Cullen328 (talk) 16:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

What she wrote was:

Not only did the media attack me nonstop this last week, but they completely rewrote my Wikipedia page. And it doesn’t even allow me to change the lies. So much bias.

so obviously her comments are very reliable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Buxreal/sandbox

Hello, several weeks ago I created the Buxreal/sandbox page by inserting the contents related to the activities of an event created by me and entitled Cross Cities. The contents were largely copied from the website https://crosscities.cloud created by me and where all the contents (texts, img, video...) were equally elaborated and inserted by me. Having said this, the page is no longer visible because I was accused of appropriating contents subject to copyright but, despite having reported that all the contents were my intellectual property to the Wikipedia contact who had deleted the page, he did not respond to me. To date I have created a new Cross Cities/sandbox page in which I would like to report the contents already well organized in the deleted one. I kindly ask you to allow me to review the Buxreal/sandbox page so as to copy the code and transfer it to this new one.

Thank you for your support

Maurizio Chiantone Buxreal (talk) 18:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Buxreat.

First, as to the issue of copyright: if the material has previously been published anywhere, unless that publication explicitly releases it either into the public domain or under a copyleft licence such as CC-BY-SA, then Wikipedia will assume it is copyright. You can override this only by sending a mail according to donating copyright materials.

However, there is no point in doing so, because material from the event's website (whoever writes it) is unlikely to be of much use in writing a Wikipedia article about the event. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Unless you can find several sources that are wholly independent of you and your event - not written or published by the event, and not based on an interview or press release, but people wholly unnconnected with you choosing to write in depth about the event - then the event will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article will be possible.

Two further points to note: one is that promotion of any kind is not permitted in Wikipedia.

The other is that if you are associated with the event, then you have a conflict of interest: this does not prevent you from working on such an article, but it does put some restrictions.

Also note that ie there is an article about your event, whoever writes it, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, and it will not necessarily say what you would like it to say. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Nudity

What is nudity 41.122.131.24 (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Nudity. Edgewurth (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Distressing bug

Hello! At some point over the past couple of hours, Andrew Jackson and the slave trade in the United States#Individual slave sales many/all templates are throwing bright red Expression error: Unexpected < operator'''in '''The time allocated for running scripts has expired. error messages. I don't know what I did it or how to fix it. Help? jengod (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Well now it's magically fine again. Thank you to whomever fixed it or reverted my hallucination. appreciate it.

Resolved

jengod (talk) 21:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

My monthly donation

I see on my bank statement that I donate 5.00 per month. How do I find that on Wikipedia? Whalerson (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

You can't find it on Wikipedia, because donations are handled by the Wikimedia Foundation, and don't impinge directly on Wikipedia. See Donate:FAQ ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no ethical way to connect your anonymous Wikipedia username Whalerson with any real person who may or may not have donated money to the Wikimedia Foundation. The ability to do so would be a monumental violation of your privacy. I happen to voluntarily disclose my real world identity after seriously pondering the implications which have included targeted death threats against me to intimidate me for my Wikipedia editing. But all editors who wish to remain anonymous should have that right, without anyone knowing how many dollars if any they have donated. That is the path to corruption. Cullen328 (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the OP might want to know how to change their donation. If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem with simply answering the question. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Whalerson: If that's what you want then see See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

September 20

In 1964 I flew with KLM from Amsterdam to Sydney, how long would the flight have been and how many stops?

Flight Amsterdam/Sydney 1964 103.254.135.162 (talk) 05:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. General knowledge questions can be asked at the Reference Desk WP:RDM RudolfRed (talk) 05:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Or use ChatGPT. Wouterhagens (talk) 08:16, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

ChatGPT is not a reliable source. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

You are right, but for such a question by an anonymous user, ChatGPT gives a good enough answer, in my opinion, to warrant further investigation into more reliable details if the user wishes. Wouterhagens (talk) 18:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

ChatGPT and the Ref Desks are of about equal reliability, so the OP needn't really worry where he posts. SerialNumber54129 18:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Writing sections when sites to cite aren't available

This is bout writing the history section of a local church in my area. But the history is not available to cite it from a softcopy like a pdf or a website. Whats the best way to write that section? Is there any inline comments to be made so other editors know whats going on, or are there any tags to add too, to that section like unreferenced VihirLak007 (talk) 10:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Anything you write in an article must be verifiable from a published source, but that source does not have to be online. Hard copy sources are fine, as long as they are published, so (for example) a reader could obtain a copy through a major library.

The important parts of a citation are the bibliographic information: author, title, date, publisher, name of publication etc; even if the resource is available online, a link is usually a convenience for a reader, not a necessary part of the citation.

You can use templates such as {{cite book}} to format the citation: see Referencing for beginners. ColinFine (talk) 10:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

How to improve wiki page I created before Publishing?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Charlie Gray

Hi, can someone please check the page I created under name, Charlie gray? I edited it and I need someone to read it before I publish it. What can I do for the page to be accepted? I already deleted half of it. DialaSharief (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The best way to get feedback is to submit it, instead of asking for a pre-review review. 331dot (talk) 15:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It was rejected and then I reedited it. I don't know how many submissions I'm allowed to make. DialaSharief (talk) 15:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

You can resubmit it as often as you like, within reason. But if you resubmit it whout citing any references that attest to his notability, you will be wasting everyone's time. You will need reliable independent (not based on what he or his employers have said) published sources with extensive discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 15:42, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Also, the usual guidelines of WP:COI and WP:BOSS need to be noted here. If you have some sort of stake in creating this article, it would need to be declared.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I've written and edited random pages. I read about this photographer, Charlie Gray from different sources and I liked his work in the Queen's Gambit series. He's one of the best photographers and I find it weird that no one has written anything about his work so I decided to create one. DialaSharief (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@DialaSharief: Please see my comment at Draft talk:Charlie Gray. -Arch dude (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Search help

Is there a pet scan or search query string that could help me find a list of Wikipedia articles or even userpages that have links to youtube music videos on them? The reason I ask is because I would like to find more pages similar to this one: User talk:MjolnirPants#Music. Thanks. Huggums^{537_voted! (sign🖋️|📞talk)} 15:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Huggums537: Could you use PetScan? An external tool, lets you search by links, templates, categories etc, and is more versatile than the in-house search.Go to Templates & links > Links to > All of these pages, and enter your link. SerialNumber54129 15:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129, I tried it using both youtube.com and https://www.youtube.com/ formats, but neither yielded any results. I guess I'm doing the search wrong, or the pet scan doesn't allow searching for links from external sites. Huggums^{537_voted! (sign🖋️|📞talk)} 16:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, I got 294 links for "youtube.com", "Youtube.com" and "YouTube.com" (note upper/lower cases), and also under "list" at the top right, checking multiple namespaces. But to be honest, it still doesn't seem like a lot. Only <300 articles out of the millions we've got?! I think we must both be doing something wrong, to be honest. Sorry not to be more helpful. SerialNumber54129 16:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Primefac, sorry to bother you, but if you're around...? SerialNumber54129 16:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I get 232,000 from insource:"youtube.com" in ns0, and Template:YouTube claims 66,000 transclusions. Unsure of the degree of overlap. Folly Mox (talk) 17:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh right the question is about YouTube music videos specifically. I guess the numbers directly above are meaningless for that application 🫠 Folly Mox (talk) 17:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Special:LinkSearch. I am not sure any sort of search would be useful in finding specifically "links to music videos" because YouTube does not classify videos by their URL. The best you might be able to manage is a regex insource: search containing "youtube.com" and "music video" or similar. Primefac (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

How can i see the status of my article

I pblished content. but it is not really published. I cant see the status of my published article Sreedevi R Krishna (talk) 16:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

It is here User:Sreedevi_R_Krishna/sandbox. Please read the advice at WP:AUTO RudolfRed (talk) 16:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Three Mile Island

Three Mile Island is in the news again. I just checked the main article, a disambiguation page, and noticed that there is not even a stub for the island itself, Three Mile Island (Pennsylvania), just the eponymous former station there. Looking at the Disambiguation Talk page, I noticed that there are a few other Three Mile Islands in the US, also without articles. Is there a place I could request a few geographical stubs to be written? Thanks! 100.19.66.49 (talk) 17:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

You could make requests at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but you might want to keep your expectations low and keep in mind that your best option is probably to write the articles yourself, assuming you can find reliable sources that discuss the subjects for which you'd like articles to be created. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 20:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Citing lore and content of a game.

Hello, I was wondering if there was a specific format for citing lore inside of a game. I see how they did it in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and was wondering if that's acceptable or should I use a different format? I searched in the MOS (albeit not very deeply.) and didn't find anything. SomeoneOK (talk) 18:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@SomeoneOK: That's a matter of editorial judgement, and you are an editor. However, you might be able to get some worthwhile opinions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. (This is somewhat generic advice. When you have questions about consistency among articles if a particular type, then see if there is a wikiproject that covers them and ask there. The appropriate wikiproject might be listed on your article's talk page.) -Arch dude (talk) 22:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Active/Inactive users

Most wikiprojects have very big lists of users, but as time passes many of them leave Wikipedia for one reason or another. Is there a bot that can help to manage those lists, keeping the active users and moving inactive users (users who have not edited in, say, the last 6 months) to another section or subpage? Cambalachero (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

bitcoin

what is bitcoin 2001:48F8:4022:13E4:0:0:0:BDA9 (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

See Bitcoin. -Arch dude (talk) 21:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Misinformation

The article posted on here (January 6 United States Capitol attack) about the capital incident on January 6th 2021 needs to be re-evaluated. The US Committee on House Administration's Subcommittee on Oversight released documents today that show a completely different narrative than the article portrays. Here is the link to their press release on the incident (https://cha.house.gov/press-releases?id=EA54DB89-3762-408A-8D4E-5CE7CA795322). Please reach out the the author(s) and have the necessary corrections made. 136.38.45.46 (talk) 23:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

That's not how things work here. We don't chase down people for corrections. The article about the riot will not say what House Republicans want it to say, it will say what independent reliable sources say. You are certainly free to believe the House Republicans if you choose. If you have independent sources that summarize the contents of the documents issued by the House Republicans, please offer them on the article talk page. Be advised that editing abiut American politics has its own special rules, see your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 23:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

September 21

Pi

Good morning sir, my online data is turned off by Bikash Bank Money on 92.97.34.49 (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia; we cannot assist in banking issues. Talk directly to your bank. win8x (talking | spying) 01:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I can't login to my account

I typed the correct username and password, but when I pressed “Log in”, a message popped up saying: “There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form. You may receive this message if you are blocking cookies.”. What happened to my account?

My account is JasonHo1222. 138.19.34.189 (talk) 03:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)