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Does anyone understand just how disrespectful it is to be called by a name forced upon you to protect your freedom and then even after death to be referred to as that false, forced name rather than your true identity? Prioritise Jina before Mahsa. Show some respect. I honestly expected better from Wikipedia intellects. SolisKay (talk) 02:23, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opening a merge discussion with reference to the previous and unresolved informal thread at Talk:Mahsa_Amini#Merge to Death of Mahsa Amini. The content is duplicated across the two articles. The biography article emphasises that the subject was a "shy, reserved resident" of her hometown who avoided politics prior to her death, and contains details about anniversaries and memorials which are missing from the "death of" article. Belbury (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This article is already starting to get lengthy and I don't think merging in an article about a person who passes Wikipedia's notability guidelines in their own right is the right choice. TarnishedPathtalk08:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is currently 3200 words, falling below WP:SIZERULE. The anniversary and memorial content should definitely be in this article. If we replaced the current "Victim" section here with the "Early life" content from the biography article, that would only add around 300 extra words.
Both the death and the subject are certainly notable, but per WP:BIO1E (and other "death of" articles on Wikipedia where the victim was not a prominent public figure prior to their death) we may not need two separate articles to reflect this. Belbury (talk) 08:58, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:BIO1E: "The general rule is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified" emphasis mine. There is sufficient coverage of both the individual and their role in bringing about subsequent protests as well as the event of her death itself to justify separate articles. TarnishedPathtalk09:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that media coverage of Mahsa Amini as an individual, unconnected to the event of her death, has grown over time. The biography article still only has a few sentences about her Kurdish name, her personality and her studies. Where her family have gone into greater detail about her politics and health, that is in response to government statements about her death.
Oppose both article are notable and have there own content which are related directly to them. It is quite natural some paragraphs be overlapping because of the nature of the subjects. It is wondering why some users are looking to merge these articles but there are same articles in Wikipedia like George Floyd and Murder of George Floyd and those users are not interested to merge them or even to offer a discussion for it. However theses articles are related to political matters in Middle east and maybe some people who are in the opposite side want to merge these articles but Wikipedia has it's own rules. ThanksAlijenabH (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
