Talk:Dagomba people

Copyright

This articel is directly copied from http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/tribes/dagomba.php. It violates a copyright! Ahanta 18:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I changed the link in your post so it will lead to the right place. It isn't as blatant as it was when you posted it, but there are still sections that have exactly the same wording, even down to the grammar mistakes. We need to get info from other sources and write a proper article. I'm still kind of new here, so I'm not sure how to determine what sources are valid. Otherwise, I'd do it myself. TreeWithAChainsaw (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Dagomba people / Dagbon Kingdom

I think the title Dagbon kingdom deserves its own article, an this article should concern as it is sections like the abridged history of dagbon among others.Dagbon people as I see it should relate to the people themselves, their culture and day-to-day ways of life. Compare Ashanti Empire and Ashanti people.

I intend moving most of this article to a new page 'Dagbon Kingdom' if I don't get any suggestions. Masssly (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Massly, I still don't get what you mean. Can you make it clearer before any action. Thanks. →Enock4seth ^(talk) 09:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Enock4Seth. what I'm suggesting is to commit a Dagbon kingdom page to a more detailed history of Dagbon by moving the Abridged history section there and expanding it. In so doing the Dagomba people page would be made available to contain the festivals, language, geography and basic way of life of the people and of course a summarized version of the abridged History of Dagbon. Masssly (talk) 09:49, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate section from another article

@Omo Obatalá:The contents of this section is a duplication of the main article Notable Dagombas, maybe that section isn't needed in Dagomba people after all?
Regards—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 17:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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Dagomba country called Dagbon

I recently added a quotation needed tag to this statement because of the lack of verification from these sources. Ihikky, you referred to Dagbon as a country in the lead but none of the sources define Dagbon as such. Referencing a Wikipedia article as justification for using the word country goes against WP:CIRC. As editors, we can interpret sources in our own words, but we must stick in line with what the sources state. The word country is very vague especially when the sources used do not provide verification. In addition, we generally stick to the most common terms by sources for the subject topic per WP:Common Name. If you still believe the word country should be used in the lead as a definition of Dagbon irrespective of the sources used, then the body of the article must provide verification per MOS:LEAD. The statehood as Dagbon as a country is not well defined in the body of this article. I have added a quotation needed tag to the sources, so please provide a quotation of what you interpreted as Dagbon country in these sources. Kwesi Yema (talk) 13:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Kwesi Yema for adding the Quotation tag. I encourage you to read the edit messages. Dagbon is not a state at all, as we all know.

Country is just a word in that context. If you read the wiki page for Country, it adds that, a country may be "a non-sovereign geographic region associated with certain distinct political, ethnic, or cultural characteristics (such as the Basque Country)". So in Ghana, we can have the Ashanti Country, Anlo country, etc.

I understand you view the usage of the word from a different perspective, which is fine. I encourage you to open more discussions like this in the future as we provide accurate information to readers.

Thanks again, and my best wishes. Ihikky (talk) 13:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@AcroterionI just want to draw your attention here. Nothing too serious, but I feel you may have to sanction me or @Kwesi Yema. Our interctions are getting unhealthy.

@Kwesi Yema accurately pointed out that a particular reference was insufficient here. He was right. The reference was updated.

He went on to make this change, which was a total fallacy. In that change, he reverted an edit and erroneously stated that the Dagomba chieftaincy is called Dagbon. He was wrong. The Dagomba chieftaincy is called Nam/Naam/Namship, not Dagbon as he claimed. Dagbon refers to the homeland or country of the Dagomba. A correction was made to that.

It seems he was unsatisfied with the edit, he took a new stance, arguing that, by using the word country, Dagbon was granted statehood. It was clarified to him that, that was not the case. He did not make any change again. Even in Ghana, we have the Asorgli State, and many others, and although they are called states, they do not have a statehood.

Today, I responded to a plea on his talk page urging him to uphold wiki's editorial policies. Few minutes afterwards, he went and added quotation tags, started to discussion, and making some insinuations which in my opinion is unnecessary. I do not want to make any change as I fear I will start a loop of reverts.

I have tagged you @Acroterion to notify you of the activity here. I do not believe @Kwesi Yema actions comply fully to wiki's policies. Perhaps me too.

I want decorum and order while I edit, but I think my interactions with @Kwesi Yema have yeilded the opposite. Perhaps, the fault is mine, perhaps his. Please study the discussion and hold us accountable. Ihikky (talk) 15:57, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

"Thanks @Kwesi Yema for adding the Quotation tag. I encourage you to read the edit messages. Dagbon is not a state at all, as we all know.

Country is just a word in that context. If you read the wiki page for Country, it adds that, a country may be "a non-sovereign geographic region associated with certain distinct political, ethnic, or cultural characteristics (such as the Basque Country)". So in Ghana, we can have the Ashanti Country, Anlo country, etc"

As I said earlier, we do not cite Wikipedia pages as a source per WP:CIRC. Instead of using the definition of a Wikipedia page as justification for using country, you should provide reliable sources either in the lead or in the body for verification.

"Kwesi Yema accurately pointed out that a particular reference was insufficient here. He was right. The reference was updated. He went on to make this change, which was a total fallacy. In that change, he reverted an edit and erroneously stated that the Dagomba chieftaincy is called Dagbon."

This statement you made is a lie. The edit you pointed out was actually the first numbered REV 1181258578 while the other edit came after. You are mixing up my edit history to create a false accusation. The reason why I used "chieftaincy" instead of country is because of WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY. As the article's body has a Chieftaincy section and some explanation on the existence of a traditional kingdom. You still reverted the chieftaincy to country despite the lack of verification from the sources or some explanation in the body of the article per MOS:LEAD. I do not mind what Dagbon is referred to in this article provided there are reliable sources that back it up.

"It seems he was unsatisfied with the edit, he took a new stance, arguing that, by using the word country, Dagbon was granted statehood. It was clarified to him that, that was not the case. He did not make any change again. Even in Ghana, we have the Asorgli State, and many others, and although they are called states, they do not have a statehood"

No I have added a quotation needed tag to the sources since it cannot be verified in both body or sources. After you addressed this on my talk page, I urged that you provide a quotation from the sources which you added since all two of them have failed verification. Stop referring to unsourced examples and provide a reliable source instead. If you used the word country with a different implication then, WP:Common Name states we use the most common terms for a subject matter as referenced from the sources. In order to prevent ambiguity. If you believe the sources state "country" or define Dagbon as such, then you have every right to share a quotation from where you got that. Kwesi Yema (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Acroterion, I have simply pointed out areas in the lead section that could not be verified in the body. I first changed the word country in the lead section as a definition of the Kingdom of Dabon because of how ambiguous the word is. This includes the fact that this lead section was unsourced. Per WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY, I used the word chieftaincy instead of country because the of the Chieftaincy section in the body of the article as well as this sub section. Ihikkhy changed the word chieftaincy to "country" where he added sources that could not be verified when I read through. Per MOS:LEAD, the word country can be used irrespective of a source only if the body of the article provides a definition as such. However, this article does not do so. On top of that, WP:Common Name states that we use the most common terms of the subject matter as used by sources. Ihikkhy [argues] that the word country should still be used because of the definition of the word on its Wikipedia page. But WP:CIRC says we should not cite Wikipedia. I added a quotation needed tag to the sources used for this statement to improve verification. I provided an explanation on the talk page in addition. Ihikkhy addressed this on my talk page, and I explained that he should add a quotation from the sources to justify the use of "country" in that statement since it cannot be verified both in sources and in the body. Unfortunately, he has taken this in bad faith. Acroterion, ever since your warning on reverts on another article, I have complied. I do not understand the call for sanctions when I have pointed out verification problems in the article. Kwesi Yema (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)