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    October 6

    i want to make wikipidia age

    need help for wikipdia page for my company Web4dial2022 (talk) 08:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If your company ("Dial4exportmarket"?) is notable, it's likely that people who aren't connected to it will want to create an article about it, even with no encouragement from you. If it isn't notable, attempts to create an article about it would be merely a waste of time. -- Hoary (talk) 09:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Userboxes/Stats & Tools/Edit count

    I want to add a couple of Userboxes to my profile page showing how many articles I've created, etc. Are these particular Edit-count Userboxes dynamic or manual? I don't see any way of coding them to automatically calculate how many articles I've created. Thanks, Muzilon (talk) 10:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Muzilon: They are manual. The current counts are not available in wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, thanks for the advice. I won't bother using them then. The userbox showing how long I've been a Wikipedia editor updates itself automatically, so I incorrectly assumed these userboxes would do likewise. Too bad. :( Muzilon (talk) 10:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Muzilon: Nothing about your account is available in wikitext but the current time is, so the account age can be computed and updated automatically if you just write the creation date once as in [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding/updating photos

    Dear Help Community:

    I have recently updated the entry for University of Florida administrator Scott Angle to reflect recent job changes and an award. I also uploaded and submitted a photo. However, that photo is still not posted to his page a week later. Can someone help me understand how I get the updated photo included on his wikipedia page?

    Thank you.

    Chris Moran AgScribe (talk) 13:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @AgScribe One issue is that the photo needs to be one that you took. You cannot just upload the subject's portrait from his workplace, which is a copyrighted work of said workplace, and claim it as your own work. —C.Fred (talk) 13:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I work for the organization, and the our organization's photographer took the photo. It is authorized by Dr. Angle, so I don't understand how that is a copyright issue. Do I just need to include a photo credit? I know who the photographer is, since I work with him. 70.185.102.111 (talk) 13:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not enough that you simply give your word that you're allowed to do it. The copyright holder has to explicitly grant Wikipedia an irrevocable license compatible with Wikipedia's policies (that will also allow anyone to use it). More details can be found at WP:DCP. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @AgScribe If you know the photographer, you can get them to authorise your upload of their photos by email to the Volunteer response team. See that link for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    .... if File:ScottAnglePortrait.jpg gets deleted in the meantime, you can get the photographer to mention its file name and the Commons admins can undelete it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment

    Having tinkered with my settings, I'm getting yellow borders around the former last edit and blue ones around a new edit. I've tried to restore the old setting but can't find it. Can you help please? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 15:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Are you talking about in the page history of an article/page? That can mean that the relevant article is under Pending Changes review.
    JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, just a bog standard edit. on the left side there are yellow borders and markings, blue on the corresponding new edit column on the right. I accidentally pressed syntax highlighter and while I was trying to get rid, I went to preferences so must have altered something in 'editing'. I've been doing before and after changes and looking at 'Appearance' too but no luck. Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 19:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Does it look something like this?
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    er
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    erf
    —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith-264 (talk • contribs)
    That's the default look of diffs. It sounds like you changed it in the past and then changed it back to default recently. I guess you want "Display diffs with the old yellow-and-green colors and design" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Keith-264: This is a diff view. When exactly are you seeing this? Preview? Show changes? Immediately when you edit in visual or source editor? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see it when I look at edits on my watch list. It hasn't looked like this before and I prefer the plain version. Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 21:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    "Display diffs with the old yellow-and-green colors and design" That's done the trick, thanks everyone, much obliged. ;O) Keith-264 (talk) 21:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    William Silvers - General notability guideline

    I tried to add my official facebook page causing a "general notability guideline" Tag to appear... I removed the facebook link but the Tag remains... How do I remove the tag? William silvers jr (talk) 16:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @William silvers jr: The tag was not added automatically by your addition of an external link, it was added manually by another editor. You should not remove the tag yourself, and for the future you should not edit the article about yourself. Instead, use edit requests on the article talk page. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 16:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @William silvers jr The tags were not added by you but by others including User:Tenryuu. If you are the subject of the article, you should not be editing it yourself owing to your conflict of interest, except in ways described at WP:ASFAQ. Instead, please make edit requests on its Talk Page, citing reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    William silvers jr, the biggest problem with that article is that it does not include references to reliable sources completely independent of you that devote significant coverage to you. The relevant notability guideline is at WP:NARTIST. Cullen328 (talk) 18:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @William silvers jr: Please see WP:About you and our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    sort list of Cite book

    How to sort the Cite book list in a template? Cannot sort Books list in article Agent Orange. Want alphabetical list. BrucePL (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @BrucePL: Are you trying to make a bibliography à la APA or MLA? Wikipedia doesn't do that; inline citations are numbered in the order they appear in the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    BrucePL, the sources listed at Agent Orange § General and cited references and in all subsections of Agent Orange § Further reading are already in alphabetical order by author name, which has been done manually by editors at that article.
    If you're trying to sort the sources by title, you'll have to copypaste the source list into another app and sort them manually for your own purpose, or import all the citations with citation management software compatible with COinS metadata, then export them into a spreadsheet, then re-export them as concatenated text blocks. Folly Mox (talk) 17:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless citation management software can sort citations it's imported by arbitrary fields, which sounds possible. I have no idea. Folly Mox (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your reply. I'm not trying to do any of the above. On that page under Further reading/Books is a list of books that is listed by author. I added Fox; anothe user added Wilcox. Both are out of alpha order. I edited the list, which is a template of a list inside of Refbegin and Refend. I cannot figure out how to move Fox and Wilcox into alpha order position. That is where I am stuck. Thanks for any help. BrucePL (talk) 18:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're going to have to do it manually; source editor is probably the better editor to use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. I did try the souce editor. It shows two columns, before (-) and after where the new list is shown, each citation with a "+". I cannot move items in the after list. I am in the wrong page in the source editor? BrucePL (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay. I was trying to edit in Preview. Got out of that and did it in source editor. thanks and sorry!BrucePL (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's what you get for using the visual editor. Switch to the source editor and move the Fox and Wilcox {{cite book}} templates to their proper positions.
    —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Edit Notices for 2 templates

    Hello all,

    As can probably be seen in my editing history, I want to add editnotices to two templates: Template:Style & Template:Manual of Style as a first line of defense against editors adding MoS links to one and not the other. However, despite trying my best to follow suggestions on the editnotice page, I can not seem to make that work. If anyone could add an editnotice to each template, that would be great.

    Thanks!

    JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @JuxtaposedJacob: Please tell us precisely where in your edit history, using diffs or other links, rather than expecting us to hunt around. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Editnotices/Page/Template:Style
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Editnotices/Page/Template:Manual_of_Style
    Here they are, I think one of my problems was that I didnt do the linking correctly. If someone could point out how to do that, that would be great.
    JuxtaposedJacob (talk) 13:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How can i remove an account that was opened under my personal name

    Hello, I saw an account that was opened under my personal name saying bad things about me, Does anyone have any idea on how to remove the account! 185.173.205.26 (talk) 19:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Are you referring to an article about yourself? 331dot (talk) 19:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm assuming an account with your name is editing the Wikipedia article on you? See WP:IMPERSONATION for the section of the username policy concerning this; if they're impersonating you as you say they fall under the scope of this. Go to Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention with the username of the individual and they can help you more there.
    As for the content of their edits, if they are making libelous claims, go to WP:BLPN and explain your situation; the team there can remove the record of the information from the article. See WP:LIBEL for the policy on harmful and unsourced claims on Wikipedia.
    If, however, the user is revealing non-public personal information about you, then see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight and send them an email. In an instance like this, I'd suggest not publicly acknowledging the information exists, after sending the email don't tell anyone you did (that's just my advice, not official policy; do as you please, but note that anonymous edits to Wikipedia are done under your IP address, which can be geolocated). See Streisand effect for more. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 19:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, IP user.
    I'm going to guess that, like many people unfamiliar with Wikipedia, you think that an article with your name is the same as an account with your name, and what you are referring to is an article. If that is the case, please see WP:AUTOPROB for how to proceed. ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    October 7

    same picture on multiple articles

    hi everyone I currently need help with an article (2024 Bank of America Roval 400) but it got a new track layout, how would I be able to add a picture (im sure if i was to make an accurate picture of the track layout i could list it as my own work) to make it go on multiple articles without my account at risk of termination or something like that. 45BearsFan (talk) 00:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Be sure you understand WP:NFF, the criteria for fair-use files. I'm not sure if the track layout for a motorsport event is eligible for public domain / creation of an "own work" piece, so I'm hoping someone more familiar with the matter will chime in.
    Non-free files must have a separate and reliable rationale for every single page they appear on. However, images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons don't and can be used on any article, assuming it's appropriate to include them. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    +1 User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @GeorgeMemulous: I believe you meant to link to WP:NFC above, but linked to WP:NFF instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @45BearsFan: Please take a look at c:COM:Own work for reference because "own work" has a specific meaning when used in terms of images and image copyright. You also might want to as about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject NASCAR or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport since most likely track layout images appear in other auto racing related articles; for example, like the ones used in Indianapolis 500, Daytona 500 and British Grand Prix. I don't think the layout of a racing track is something that in and off itself is eligible for copyright protection, but drawings and other visual representations of a track created by others probably are. So, for reference, you can't really take someone else's work and claim it as your own, and you can't really create a slavish reproduction (e.g. a tracing) of someone else's work and claim it as your own. The members of one of the WikiProjects related to auto racing should know the best way to go about doing this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    45BearsFan, there is an editor {u:Will Pittenger}, active both here and on Commons, who specializes in racetrack layout diagrams. Cullen328 (talk) 23:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed link syntax and notification to Will Pittenger -- John of Reading (talk) 07:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I haven't done that in years. After Commons users started deleting my images or making changes without discussing them with me, I started uploading only to my site. Then I started to run out of tracks I was interested in. These days, I'm busy working on programming tasks. My current project is Replacement Project. Will (Talk - contribs) 12:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    User talk templates for CT/AI ECR enforcement

    Can someone point me towards templates to put on non-EC users' talk pages when enforcing the extended confirmed restriction on contentious topic pages? Cheers! GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi GeorgeMemulous. I believe the templates {{Contentious topics/alert}} and {{Contentious topics/alert/first}} can be used for general notification purposes, and {{uw-1rr}} can be used for WP:1RR notification purposes. However, I only think administrators can enforce these restrictions in a technical sense. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Wrong distance in your OpenStreetMap

    Please note that the street Ronda de Mulhacen 1, Valle del Este, 04620 Vera, Spain, is not at 10kms distance, it is actuallly a street within the Valle del Este Golf, and that street Ronda de Mulhacen is 750 metres from the Golf Club house, this wrong information appears in all the advertisements of flats in Booking, please correct the wrong distance information in OpenStreetMap as soon as possible, the correct distance for the street Ronda de Mulhacen 1, Valle del Este, Vera 04620, Spain is 750 metres not 10Kms as you are wrongly indicating. Thanks in advance for your interest and attention in this matter. I hope you rectify the existing error. Thanks. ACFrancisca (talk) 10:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    OpenStreetMap is not a Wikimedia Foundation project. https://www.openstreetmap.org/about - Cabayi (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be absolutely clear, ACFrancisca, Wikipedia editors have nothing to do with OpenStreetMap. This is like going to the Apple store to complain about your problem with an Android phone. Cullen328 (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Our Panjāb's userpage

    When I click on User:Our Panjāb, it goes to the main page. I could've sworn when I did this earlier today, it went to the user's userpage. Regardless of whether my memory is right, it shouldn't go the main page. User talk:Our Panjāb is fine.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The page was redirected by the user on 4 October. I've removed it. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I should've seen that - thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    donations

    I use your site for info and pictures for my western novels. Can you tell how I can make donations to you? 2601:4C2:8180:1950:B1D0:5BC4:8848:8BBD (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    See https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give RudolfRed (talk) 15:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You should know that Wikipedia text is under a CC-BY-SA license, so if you directly quoted Wikipedia I'm hoping you attributed the project correctly. Images uploaded to Commons are all free to use (typically under the same attribution license) but non-free images, those uploaded to Wikipedia only, are usually owned by a third party that controls their copyright. You should know this before making any more derivative works of the project.
    Wikipedia is free and not for sale; you are under no obligations to make a donation to the project, however if you decide to donate anyway see WP:Donate. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Donations

    How can I donate to you? I use your site to help me with my books and use pictures. I've donated before but couldn't find how to again/ Redmanleo (talk) 14:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Under the main menu should be a "donate" link, but I'll put it here too, donate.wikimedia.org. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Problems moving an article due to a redirect

    I have written an article about the US Army in WW II but unfortunately there is already an article named United States Army in World War II which is about a historical work and a redirect named United States Army during World War II to Military history of the United States during World War II So I have no idea what to do... Mr.Lovecraft (talk) 15:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Mr.Lovecraft you could request a move to United States Army during World War II at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests, or an admin or page mover may respond here. TSventon (talk) 15:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I already made a Technical request but they just removed it to my user page. By the way what is a page mover ? Mr.Lovecraft (talk) 16:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Mr Lovecraft. A page mover is somebody who has a particular right that lets them do page moves out of the ordinary, such as moving over an existing redirect, or moving without leaving a redirect. See WP:Page mover. ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And how can I ask somebody to move my page ? I am not familiar with these internal wikipedia procedures. Mr.Lovecraft (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You asked to move the draft to United States Army in World War II here and that was rejected because that article already exists. You may be able to move the article to United States Army during World War II yourself or do another TR explaining the previous one was a mistake. TSventon (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mr.Lovecraft, what you first need to do is move the article that is in the way, to a title like United States Army in World War II (historical work). That will leave behind a redirect that you can then move your own article on top of - but don't do that yet. First, you need to go here [2], to see all of the incoming links, and make sure that they link directly to United States Army in World War II (historical work) instead. Otherwise, people expecting to follow a link to the book series will end up at your article and be confused. Once that's all sorted out, you can move your article to United States Army in World War II. Make sure you add a WP:HATNOTE that links the two pages. -- asilvering (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Asilvering Somehow it didn´t work. I moved the United States Army in World War II to United States Army in World War II (historical work) I also linked all incoming links to it and I add a hatnote at my article. Then I renamed the (disambiguation) page to United States Army in World War II (historical work) (disambiguation). However, the hatnote in my article page it did not changed it still says For other uses, see Mr.Lovecraft/Construction site beta (disambiguation). Moreover I still can´t move my article to United States Army in World War II because there is still a redirect to United States Army in World War II which is in fact the above mentioned article United States Army in World War II (historical work) Mr.Lovecraft (talk) 09:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The incoming links haven't been fixed yet. See [3] - they're all still there. They need to link to United States Army in World War II (historical work). Do that before you request the move. Then the hatnote is the last step, after you've done everything else. In any case, @Marchjuly's suggestion to ask WT:MILHIST to make sure you're not making a content fork is a good one (though I did check before I wrote my initial reply, and didn't find anything promising). -- asilvering (talk) 15:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mr.Lovecraft: The subject you want to write about seems to already be fairly extensively covered on Wikipedia. This doesn't mean new articles about it can't be created, but there's a good chance that much of the content in your "draft" is already covered in some shape of form in existing articles about the US Army, World War II or both. For this reason, you might want to discuss what you're trying to do at WT:MILHIST to make sure you're not creating a unneeded WP:CONTENTFORK (i.e. a redundant article) and see whether it might be better to incorporate your content into already existing articles instead of creating a new stand-alone article. At the same time, if it turns out that an article like the one would be considered a good thing to create, the members of the MILHIST WikiProject will almost surely be able to help your sort out the naming and any other issues you might find yourself having. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Quick question

    when editing the firs paragraph, when i search up the page on my browser, it doesnt show the version including what i edited on the preview thingy, but, one user, he edited the first line of a page, and in a few weeks, when i search up the page, his edited version shows up on the preview. How do you get it on there? 148.252.144.186 (talk) 18:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Like when you search up a page on your browser and a bit of the first paragraph shows up 148.252.144.186 (talk) 18:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you are talking about a google summary, that is not controlled by en.wiki, but by google. CMD (talk) 18:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i have an idea. Search up St Neots on your internet browser. It says Eynesbury,Eaton Ford and Eaton Socon form part of the town. But, when you actually click on the article, it misses out recently edited stuff like loves farm, wintringham, and eynesbury hardwicke. 148.252.144.186 (talk) 18:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you refer to Wikipedia's page preview feature when you hover over a link like St Neots without clicking it then I currently see: "The areas of Eynesbury, Eaton Ford, Eaton Socon, Love's Farm, Wintringham, and part of Eynesbury Hardwicke form part of the town." That's the same as the article says. However, it may have displayed differently earlier. mw:Page Previews#FAQ says: "The Page Preview shows a cached version of a page. If the page has been edited and you want Page Previews to show the new version right away, you can purge the page." PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Search engines are often slow to update their caches of Wikipedia leads. Nothing we can do about that. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 00:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Source question for hybrid quantum computing

    Hi,

    I am working on an article on hybrid quantum computing. I want to know if blog posts/explanations of hybrid quantum computing pass muster as a source for Wikipedia. Examples would be this post: https://www.qm-ware.com/blog/hybrid-quantum-computing/what-is-hybrid-quantum-computing/

    Thank you,

    Andrew Pourinski Apourinski (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The short answer is "probably not". The longer answer is at WP:BLOG. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Apourinski That particular blog has no stated author, so it doesn't fall into the category where the blog might be allowed as being from a subject-matter expert. On the other hand, this particular blog is unusual in that it quotes academic source articles, some of which you may find useful in themselves. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    October 8

    Guidance on 3RR

    Today, in my work editing Hurricane Milton, I made a total of five reverts to the page in 24 hours (00z 7 October to 00z 8 October). See 1, 2, 3. 4, and 5. While two were reversions of uncited material and one was a reversion of vandalism, the question came to mind: could I, in full good faith and by no means intentional, have broken the 3 revert rule on this page? Of my two content reversions, one was reverted right back before a third user reverted that. I should also note there had been a great deal of time between the reversions, and all the content reverted was on different content. I'm just looking for a bit of guidance before I make a fool out of myself; could I, had two other content disputes occurred, been in proper violation of the 3RR, even if, from my perspective, I by no means was I edit warring? Note also the page had received close to 175 edits in that same time period. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    3RR applies to more than 3 reverts on the same page within 24 hours, and there are various exemptions, including removal of vandalism.
    Although the Rule is strictly stated, I think allowances would be made when the reverter is making single reversions of multiple edits by multiple users rather than re-re-reverting the same edit(s), and where some of the edits are vandalism, and when the subject is fast moving and information in sources may be changing and contradictory.
    Unless an Administrator gives you a warning (an immediate block seems to me unlikely), I don't think you need to worry. However, it would be nice if an Administrator experienced in this matter gave us some authoritative advice here.
    You could also seek advice at Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Disambiguation or primary topic?

    I was looking for Perfect Night (Le Sserafim song) when I typed Perfect Night into the search bar. For most readers, this isn't the right subject (look at the page views). What would the best course of action here? win8x (talking | spying) 01:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Since the title "Perfect Night" will be usurped either way, you might as well start a requested move of Perfect Night to Perfect Night (Peter Andre song). WP:RM is usually the place where primary topics are decided. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Win8x: The Peter Andre song is obviously not primary so I have moved Perfect Night to Perfect Night (Peter Andre song) and updated incoming links. I converted Perfect Night to a disambiguation page with three entries and listed the Le Sserafim song first but that song could also have been the primary topic. I wouldn't object to a requested move. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    My edit to Candidates for Queensland Election webpage.

    I can't see the difference in the links other candidates have to the one I inserted? Please explain the difference and why they were not deleted but I was. Regards, Murray Peterson Murray Peterson (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Murray Peterson: This is most likely because you're adding information about yourself, which is a conflict of interest. Information about you should ideally be added by someone who is independent of you and does not stand to gain anything by doing so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Editing about yourself (like you just did) is a clear conflict of interest. You should make an edit request instead; the Edit Request Wizard can walk you through the process. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Revision of edit by apparent sock-puppet and threat.

    Hello, I recently made an edit to a page to fix the formatting of a section. Within two minutes, my revision was reverted and someone called "Adriana Nader" posted a message saying: "This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Hermann Göring, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Adriana Nader (talk) 05:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)" There was no vandalism; no information was added or deleted; only the formatting was changed to better present the information.[reply]

    On looking at the person's user page, I found that it was created at the same time as the edit reversion, and has already been tagged with the note: "This user page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a page created by a banned or blocked user" and on the talk page, it says "This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet that was created to violate Wikipedia policy."

    Can I (a) remove the so-called warning from the User talk page for this IP address and (b) revert my edit back? Also, could someone explain why someone would apparently create a sockpuppet account solely to go after a single, non-substantive edit?

    Thank you. 65.216.227.119 (talk) 05:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Per WP:BRV you can revert edits by blocked users with no further reason. Feel free to remove the warning as well. The sock was reverting random recent edits at a rapid pace - not just yours. FifthFive (talk) 05:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! I saw that you had already fixed some of the recent edits yourself. It must be a thankless task to deal with such random vandalism, so, um, thanks again. 65.216.227.119 (talk) 06:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Circular crop

    Hi. Is there a template that crops an image into a circle? I looked everywhere and couldn't find one. Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @CanonNi:Probably not. Doing a crop inside the server every time an image is served is a little bit server-intensive in the first place, so it is deprecated. This is even more true for non-rectangular cropping. Best practice would be to download the image to you computer and then use image-processing software (e.g., the GIMP) to crop it, and then upload the result as a new image, making sure to attribute the old image. -Arch dude (talk) 15:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh ok, thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    How to make a citation whilst editing infobox?

    Bit puzzled on how to do it. 148.252.144.186 (talk) 08:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    First see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#References in infoboxes for whether to make a reference at all (not how to do it). You have used VisualEditor which has a tool to add references but it doesn't work inside infoboxes and other template calls. You can write the source code for the reference inside the parameter value in VisualEditor but it may be difficult if you haven't tried references in source code. See Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. Another option is to make the reference somewhere outside the infobox, switch to the source editor on the pencil icon at the top right, and move the reference code to an infobox parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Removing stub class – actions?

    Hi, when removing stub class from an article, Wikipedia:Stub says "When removing stub templates, users should also visit the talk page and update the WikiProject classifications as necessary." I'm not sure how to interpret that "as necessary" correctly. Is it editing {{WikiProject banner shell|class=Stub}} and removing |class=Stub? Or replacing that with something else? Or is something different required? Thanks! Tobyhoward (talk) 09:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Tobyhoward The related Projects will still be interested in the article, so the best thing to do is to uprate according to guidance at WP:ASSESS. If in doubt, just use |class=Start, as the level up from stub. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! Tobyhoward (talk) 10:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Need help in blocking a collection of IP adresses

    on the si.wikipedia.org recently many uses in ip addresses have started removing interwiki links from articles. it has gotten out of hand. the admins have blocked them individually with 1 day expiration. but as soon as one is blocked, same edits are done in a different ip. is there anyway to find if they are from the same ip block, if so can they be blocked forever from editing? its very hard to go track down all of their disruptive edits in articles.

    these are the users, on sinhala wikipedia
    212.104.231.64
    212.104.231.190
    212.104.231.94
    212.104.228.233 VihirLak007 (talk) 11:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @VihirLak007 I'm afraid that's all happening at the Sinhala Wikipedia, which is entirely separate Project from the one here and has to be dealt with there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I seem to have broken my user talk page using the archive bot

    I was attempting to create yearly archives however after the bot ran and created the pages, none of the created talk pages link correctly and my talk page doesn't link to the archives. How do I fix this situation? As can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ergzay the Archives list shows no archives, and the archive pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ergzay/Archives/2022 have broken headers that don't link to anything. How can I fix this so it's a proper list of archives at the /Archives/YYYY path? Ergzay (talk) 11:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Ergzay: Place {{Annual archive|root=User talk:Ergzay|prefix=Archives/}} at top of the archive pages. I have tried to automate it for future archives.[4] It's possible the next visit by the archive bot will build an index with archive links for display in the archive box at User talk:Ergzay. You can come back in a couple of days if it hasn't happened. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay but the links still aren't there. (It's a template so they should fill in automatically without a bot visit right?) So I'm not sure how what you did changed anything. Ergzay (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ergzay: The bot may create and transclude an index page like User:ClueBot III/Indices/Talk:Audi in Talk:Audi, but I don't know the conditions and time for this to happen. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay what about fixing the Archive pages themselves? How would I do that, or would the bot do that as well? Ergzay (talk) 13:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ergzay: Fix them manually with the code I gave. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    saved articles

    where are my saved articles Uri Thier (talk) 14:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Uri Thier According to your contribution history your account has very few edits. Did you edit with another account or when logged out (so edits were saved against your IP address)? We would need more information (e.g. the topic you were editing) to help further. Note that if your edits were infringements of copyright, they may have been entirely deleted, including in your contribution history. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Un Thier. Are you perhaps referring to a "reading list" on a Wikipedia app (on Android or iOS)? If so, then I'm afraid that that facility is not available on the Desktop site. See MW:Wikimedia Apps/FAQ. ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Updating the map

    Any guidance you can provide on how to update the boundaries on the map on our Wikipedia page? One of the boundaries on our map is off and I need to get it adjusted. Any advise on how to do that would be appreciated. CircleCHOA (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Looks like this is about Circle C Ranch. Not sure it's notable. There's a NYT article about a TV show that was filmed there. Valereee (talk) 19:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @CircleCHOA: The map data comes from OpenStreetMap, an independent project. You would need to contact them; see [5]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for that information. I will reach out to them to get the boundaries fixed. CircleCHOA (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Urdu edits

    میں نے انگریزی میں کھاتا کھول کر پہلا مضمون اردو میں لکھا کر شائع کیا تھا مگر موضوع کا عنوان کیسے تبدیل کروں؟ صارف کے صفحے میں تو میرا نام آ رہا ہے اور تحریر بھی ترمیم کی کوشش کے باوجود بائیں سے دائیں ہے۔ ImranMatanat (talk) 16:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Translates as "‎I opened my account in English and published the first article in Urdu, but how do I change the title of the subject? My name appears in the user page and the text is also left to right despite trying to edit it. ‎"
    This is the English Wikipedia - we cannot accept articles in Urdu, please edit the Urdu Wikipedia [6] instead. - Arjayay (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ImranMatanat: You can use ur:ویکیپیڈیا:معاونت میز. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Finding Footnotes

    How to find a reference in a footnote. Example: "Fortson (2010), p. 16". There is no Fortson in notes 1 - 4. What does this refer to? Rhodell165 (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    What article did this come up in? Jc3s5h (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Remove accidental italicization of page title

    Made a new page regarding a famous murder trial in Wyoming, at "Trial of Ed Cantrell", but the page title itself is italicized, was looking how to undue that so it would be similar to the trial of Imelda Marcos or trial of George Zimmerman in plain text without italicization. Reaper1945 (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reaper1945, Template:Infobox court case automatically italicizes the title. You can stop this with italic title=no. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I want to delete my account

    I want to delete my account Qokerman (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Accounts cannot be deleted, however see Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing for information on vanishing, which is the closest that can be reasonably achieved. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your user contributions show that you have made only one edit, which is here on the Help desk. Unless you have made a significant number of contributions, courtesy vanishing would not be considered as a worthwhile option.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just stop using your account. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Reporting Someone

    Many people here try to propagate false information by adding biased or wrong content by adding or removing some lines of wikipedia page. So give me some suggestions so that I can take an action to those editors. Callmehelper (talk) 17:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Take it to WP:AIV if it's clearly vandalism, or WP:ANI if it's a more complicated issue that still needs intervention. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As a first step, assuming what they're doing is unambiguously problematic but not necessarily occurring multiple times, you should likely warn them. Reporting an editor without reaching out to them to advise them that their edits are disruptive can be considered bad-faith. Put another way, notify them and give them a chance to stop their problematic conduct before you report them. DonIago (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Before you do any of the above, Callmehelper, I suggest that you engage with the editors in question on the relevant article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Callmehelper. One of the core principles of Wikipedia is to assume good faith. When somebody makes an edit that you think is wrong, most of the time they are doing so because they think their edit is an improvement. The thing to do then is to open a discussion with them - and a stance of "I am right and you are wrong, so there!" is not a good starting point for a discussion. If you cannot reach consensus, then please look at dispute resolution.
    Only if it is clear that a person's behaviour is damaging to Wikipedia (and not just holding a different view from you) should you even think of "reporting" them.
    [For clarity: I'm not saying you are wrong and I'm not saying you are right: I know nothing of Indian politics. I am talking about how to engage with other editors]. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah. I chat with him. Instead he should be understood, he claimed me that I am disruptive and violate wikipedia guidelines. Believe me I am as accurate as anyone can be here with original facts that are available. For example if any politician speak something but wikipedia written his one or two lines of that speech that misleading the whole point so what I do is just adding some more lines of that speech which is originally available and authentic. Even in that wikipedia page context some more talk of that speech should be there. But he claimed me that I am disruptive n all twice the time as I reverted when he removed that additional part.
    Then taking with him more still necessary? Callmehelper (talk) 20:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you can't agree, please follow the steps in WP:dispute resolution.
    Be careful to watch out for original research. If a politician has been reliably reported as saying something, a Wikipedia article can say that they have said it, citing that source. But it cannot say anything at all about what they meant, or the reasons they said it, or what the effect was of them saying it, unless they are paraphrasing what a single reliable published source has said about it - and preferably, a source wholly unconnected with the politician in question. ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Best way to combine references

    At Reem Kassis I've got:

    NPR,[1] The Guardian,[2] The Independent,[3] New York Magazine,[4] Buzzfeed,[5] San Francisco Chronicle,[6] The National Post,[7] Saveur Magazine,[8] Departures,[9] and Milk Street[10] listed it among the best cookbooks published in 2017.[11]

    Which seems like overkill. I'd like to change this to something like

    Multiple outlets, including NPR, New York Magazine, The Independent, and Saveur, named the book to their best-of lists for 2017.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22]

    Obviously I don't need that many citations, but ideally I'd like to not to lose the sources. Is there a template that is best to use? Thanks for any help! Valereee (talk) 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Valereee Some WP:CITEBUNDLE like in first 2 cites at Palmer Report? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oooh, that looks exactly right. Now I just have to go teach myself how to use it... Thanks! Valereee (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Valereee, I hope that you get on well with WP:CITEBUNDLE. But if not, may I comment that whereas I find the first version above (the one you want to change from) ungainly, the second one ("Multiple outlets, including NPR, New York Magazine,...") is I think quite horrid, in not simply displaying which outlets they are and which assertion can be verified where. -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hey, @Hoary, thanks for the input. What would you suggest? We can take it there to get it off this board, if you like. Valereee (talk) 11:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    References

    1. ^ Chang, Susan T. "Best Books of 2017". NPR. Archived from the original on 26 February 2024.
    2. ^ "The 20 best food books of 2017". The Guardian. December 17, 2017. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 31 May 2024.
    3. ^ Platt Leonard, Julia (8 December 2017). "2017 in cookbooks: From The Palestinian Table to Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat". The Independent. Archived from the original on 22 October 2023. Retrieved 31 May 2024.
    4. ^ Halpern, Ashlea (2017-12-05). "12 Cookbook Authors on the Cookbooks They Want for the Holidays". The Strategist. Archived from the original on 28 January 2019. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    5. ^ Telling, Marie (19 December 2017). "14 Cookbooks You Need In Your Life Right Now". BuzzFeed. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    6. ^ Fritsche, By Sarah (2017-11-24). "Our favorite cookbooks of 2017 - SFChronicle.com". San Francisco Chronicle. Archived from the original on 28 January 2019. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    7. ^ Brehaut, Laura (2017-11-27). "The best cookbooks of the year are all excellent holiday gift ideas". National Post. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 31 May 2024.
    8. ^ "The Fall Cookbooks We're Reading Right Now". Saveur. 10 October 2017. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    9. ^ "The Best New Cookbooks for Fall 2017". Departures. Retrieved 2019-01-28.[permanent dead link‍]
    10. ^ "Milk Street's Top 10 Food Books of 2017". Milk Street. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    11. ^ Marah, Tanuahka (February 19, 2018). "Palestinian pleasures brought to the table". Morning Star. Archived from the original on 5 December 2018. Retrieved December 4, 2018.
    12. ^ Chang, Susan T. "Best Books of 2017". NPR. Archived from the original on 26 February 2024.
    13. ^ "The 20 best food books of 2017". The Guardian. December 17, 2017. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 31 May 2024.
    14. ^ Platt Leonard, Julia (8 December 2017). "2017 in cookbooks: From The Palestinian Table to Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat". The Independent. Archived from the original on 22 October 2023. Retrieved 31 May 2024.
    15. ^ Halpern, Ashlea (2017-12-05). "12 Cookbook Authors on the Cookbooks They Want for the Holidays". The Strategist. Archived from the original on 28 January 2019. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    16. ^ Telling, Marie (19 December 2017). "14 Cookbooks You Need In Your Life Right Now". BuzzFeed. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    17. ^ Fritsche, By Sarah (2017-11-24). "Our favorite cookbooks of 2017 - SFChronicle.com". San Francisco Chronicle. Archived from the original on 28 January 2019. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    18. ^ Brehaut, Laura (2017-11-27). "The best cookbooks of the year are all excellent holiday gift ideas". National Post. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 31 May 2024.
    19. ^ "The Fall Cookbooks We're Reading Right Now". Saveur. 10 October 2017. Archived from the original on 8 October 2024. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    20. ^ "The Best New Cookbooks for Fall 2017". Departures. Retrieved 2019-01-28.[permanent dead link‍]
    21. ^ "Milk Street's Top 10 Food Books of 2017". Milk Street. Retrieved 2019-01-28.
    22. ^ Marah, Tanuahka (February 19, 2018). "Palestinian pleasures brought to the table". Morning Star. Archived from the original on 5 December 2018. Retrieved December 4, 2018.

    Incorrect ages shown for people born on 7th October

    On 8th October I was checking Tim Minchin who had his birthday yesterday and was born in 1975 but his age shows as 48 not 49;

    Birth name Timothy David Minchin Born 7 October 1975 (age 48)

    I have now checked others born on 7th October ; Birth name Salman Butt / Born 7 October 1984 (age 39) Birth name Nicole Ari Parker / Born October 7, 1970 (age 53)

    BUT the 6th and the 8th show correctly ; Birth name Amy Jo Johnson / Born October 6, 1970 (age 54) Birth name Tetsuya Nomura / Born October 8, 1970 (age 54)

    I see from the page editor that age is calculated so what is wrong with 7th October ??

    Cheers, Ian WikiIan (talk) 20:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    It's showing as 49 for me, maybe bypass your cache? Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @WikiIan: The rendered version of pages are cached on our servers for performance reasons. The age was sometimes computed before the birthday and cached with the rest of the page. You can purge an article to force an update right away. Otherwise it usually happens automatically within a day or two. It doesn't work to bypass your own browser cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The Gigolo (2015 film)

    Please assist - place the name Candy Yuen in the box in the correct place - underneath the other names, not beside one of the names. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 22:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

     Done The names are separated by <br>, which is HTML for a line break. I added one before Candy Yuen. ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    October 9

    create a new apple account

    i bought a new phone but its says try in 8 hours DAGDJSR (talk) 00:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    creat a new apple account

    i bought a 15 pro max but it says try in 8 hours DAGDJSR (talk) 00:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @DAGDJSR this place is for asking Wikipedia-related questions only. For help with your phone, consider asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing or contacting Apple Support. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    CAN YOU HELP ME CREATE A NEW APPLE ACCOUNT? DAGDJSR (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    CAN YOOU HELP ME CREATE A NEW APPLE ACCOUNT? DAGDJSR (talk) 00:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not a help forum for non-Wikipedia discussions. Try an Apple-related forum. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Steve Price (broadcaster)

    Ref 15 is all wrong - please fix - I don't understand what was done wrong. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Never any mention of whodunnit, IP? It was wrong because you had just got it wrong. And you would have read {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) (though in different colors), which unsurprisingly means that the values (or value) provided for "date" were (or was) unusable. The date provided: "29 March 20022". How could this be more understandable? -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please check ref number. 3 in the article above - is it OK? Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Srbernadette, this exact problem has been talked about multiple times on this help desk for many years. Another editor has fixed it for you, but I would ask you to ask yourself why the ref threw an error like the many other times you came to ask the same question with a different skin. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ​​ The above was explained to this user several months back at User talk:115.70.23.77#Help Desk questions, but it seems to have been going on for years. For awhile the questions stopped so I assumed they just figured things out; recently, though, they've started back up again essentially posting the same type of "Please fix this. I don't know what's wrong" questions as before. In most cases, these appear to be self-inflicted wounds that could easily be avoided if the user just slowed down and checked their edits before clicking "Publish changes". Errors in reference citation syntax are, I'm pretty sure, indicated at the top of the editing window after clicking "Show preview"; so, it doesn't seem to be too much to ask for this user check their work and then fix things themselves. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone needs help every now and then, but this has become too regular of an occurrence (at least in my opinion) and isn't inspiring confidence in this user's ability to avoid making similar mistakes moving forward.
    Another issue is that they also seem to be constantly switching between editing while logged in and editing while logged out. While this isn't expressly prohibited per se, it too seems to have been going on for years, and there's no indication of it stopping anytime soon despite this user having already been blocked once for inappropriately using multiple accounts. At some point, people might start to question whether this user really has the competence to edit, and whether whatever positives they may be providing to the project outweigh their apparent inability to learn from their mistakes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Awards listed in articles

    Hi, this is a general question on which I'd be grateful for some input.

    One piece of information that COI users (whether disclosed or undisclosed) often want to include into their articles are lists of awards. Sometimes these awards are clearly significant (such as those which already have Wikipedia articles of their own), sometimes they clearly are not (such as local awards, awards that were awarded to large numbers of individuals (or companies) every year, industry awards which are sometimes no more than paid-for accolades, etc.).

    Distinguishing between the two categories above is often rather difficult and would require significant industry knowledge or academic awareness of the relevant field, which will often be beyond the ability of the average volunteer, even after conducting a Google search for the relevant award.

    My question is whether there are any guidelines on what type of awards can and can't included in an article, beyond those contained in the draft proposal here [7] or (if not) any general principles that can be applied when dealing with COI edit requests to include such material. Also, what is the exact status of the draft proposal in terms of whether the contents can be implemented without objection?

    To give an example, the proposal states The absolute minimum standard for inclusion of any award or accolade in an article or list is: The award or accolade must have been reported in a reliable source independent of the recipient or promoters of the award. In my experience, if that principle were to be universally applied it would result in the removal of the great majority of industry/academic awards currently detailed in Wikipedia articles.

    Any assistance provided here would be very much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 07:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    If I'm working on a biography, I'll mention or list any notable awards that they've won. I won't list anything else, partly out of respect for the subject. Learning that someone won the Mrs Joyful Prize for Raffia Work will not create a good impression in readers.
    Even worse is listing not-notable awards that they were considered or shortlisted for but not awarded. The inclusion of these suggests that the creator of the article suspects that the subject isn.t really notable, and is "scraping the bottom of the barrel". Maproom (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed 100%, but are there specific notability guidelines for awards contained (or linked) in WP:N? I didn't see them.
    I suppose the grey area that I referred to above relates primarily to awards that fall below the level at which the award might have its own Wikipedia article, but where it still may feasibly be of a significant nature in a particular field.
    Re: "scraping the bottom of the barrel" to bolster dodgy subject notability, I do agree but I feel that a lot of COI activity is essentially an extension of the subject's vanity. However, just because the subject is vain doesn't mean that some of the awards they've won might not be of significance in their field.
    Many academics, for example, are easily notable under WP:PROF despite never having won any type of award. But the awards that academics often do win seem to be of a particularly arcane nature, and sorting the wheat from the chaff in that regard seems almost impossible.
    Industry awards, on the other hand, seem to usually be of a rather trivial nature (given that the sheer number of awarding bodies, often just industry magazines, is huge). If a company were to win (to take a probably made-up example) the UK Construction Magazine award for the most innovative modular housing solution of 2017, my assumption would be that that is not significant or encyclopaedic info. But how is one to tell? Axad12 (talk) 08:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Some general guidelines I use (which are not codified anywhere, but seem to work well enough): First, is there any verification at all that they even did win such an award? If not, unreferenced material can always be challenged and removed; often these sections are just sprawling "They won this and this and this" without any references at all and can just be removed as unreferenced material. If there is, did any reliable and independent source unaffiliated with both the article subject and the organization which gives the award comment on the significance of the win? If not, then mention of it is very likely undue weight. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    True, but in the case of companies, businesspeople and academics the final of those criteria would likely see the removal of the great majority of all awards mentioned in Wikipedia articles. So, do we just conclude that mention of most awards in those fields are simply undue and that awards given to celebrities and sportspeople (extensively covered in reliable sources) are always due? Surely things can't be so simple? Axad12 (talk) 08:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My rule of thumb is that I include an award or similar if I a have decent independent source for it, or if the award or at least org behind it has a WP-article, I might include it with a primary source (not the awardee). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with your general approach (and those detailed above by others) but the problem I will face is essentially as follows:
    Suppose a COI edit request details a list of awards that the subject (usually a businessperson or academic) has won and which they would like included in the relevant Wikipedia article. If I go through the awards as you suggest and respond along the lines of "These ones are okay for inclusion, these ones aren't okay" then the COI editor would be perfectly entitled to say "can you point me towards the relevant policy/guidelines on that?" at which point I'd have to admit that there is no real basis for my response and no real grounds for some of the awards to be excluded (unless they are obviously trivial and undue).
    Any thoughts on how to navigate that sort of conversation would be appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 08:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:PROPORTION? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair point, but that would require an estimation to be made on whether the inclusion of the awards would be undue weight to minor aspects. Unfortunately whether the awards can reasonably be estimated to be minor or major is the fundamental problem.
    I'm getting the impression that there are no real guidelines here and that editors use their own common sense when directly editing articles. Sadly I'm not sure that that will assist when dealing with COI editors who wish to include material using criteria other than common sense (typically their criteria will be dominated by "how impressive will this look?" and "how much can I get away with?"). Axad12 (talk) 09:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As is detailed above there is normally no reason to include any award. So if you're asked to provide policy for the awards to include or not, you can probably provide policy that no award is possible and the COI editor has the choice to get some awards into the article or none at all. 176.0.162.62 (talk) 12:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I have been donating for a long time, but can't find my login.

    I know I used to have an account, but I can't remember the login name. The email address I used will still be the same. How do I regain access to my old account? Or will I need to cancel my donation. Create a new account and then start a new donation. 82.163.190.20 (talk) 08:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The donation process is not connected to your account in any way. Doing so would, in fact, violate your privacy. You may donate if you have an account or if you do not have an account. The donation process is handled by the Wikimedia Foundation which actually collects the donations, we editors have nothing to do with it. Inquires about donations should be made to donate@wikimedia.org.
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    Thanks 82.163.190.20 (talk) 08:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you do have an account and you did store an email address (which is optional) and you can still receive mail at the address then you can use Special:PasswordReset to get the username and a temporary password. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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