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The result was merge to Egypt–Gaza border. Liz Read! Talk! 17:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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No particular problem with notability, however the article is a totally unjustified near-complete SPINOUT (technically still a spinoff). One quick look at Egypt–Gaza border#Buffer zone by Egypt shows how content-unbalanced the current situation. Advising to urgently merge into Egypt–Gaza border. Running this through AfD so more editors will see the procedure. That said, this is NOT ABOUT NOTABILITY but about content management. The article can also be seen as a CFORK. There is huge overlap. No need to rehash everything so many times. gidonb (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge into Egypt–Gaza border. The large overlap doesn't support having a separate article. Zerotalk 12:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Daniel (talk) 09:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG Pitille02 (talk) 09:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The Hebrew Wikipedia article has two references that may contribute to notability. Left guide (talk) 10:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Delete - I cannot find any source that can be suitable for this article, just promotional content and profiles, fail WP:GNG. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 17:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)Striking sock !vote. Daniel (talk) 22:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)- Keep and add the Hebrew references. Doesn't the fact she is a grandmaster mean she is notable? Jeanette Mirinda Martin (dime?) 18:56, 14 October, 2024 b(ITC)
- Keep. I added a few citations and a link to the Wikipedia page in Hebrew. Hogo-2020 (talk) 08:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Notable for having won a medal at Chess Olympiad. See Notability of chess players Nnev66 (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: from the look of 45th Chess Olympiad, where she gets into the infobox (and yes, I've checked 44th, it seems standard to include that reserve board winner in infobox, it hasn't been engineered for her), she is already a notable player. PamD 08:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've added the translated title of the Hebrew ref (using Google translate but correcting "Olympics" to "Olympiad") but someone who reads Hebrew might like to check and correct it. PamD 09:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- User:PamD, I checked it. You did well. Thank you! gidonb (talk) 20:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- And noting that WP:NCHESS#3 is "Has earned a team or individual medal at a Chess Olympiad or Women's Chess Olympiad.", and she won not just "a medal" but a gold medal. PamD 15:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The player is notable. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ✗plicit 11:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Based on the sourcing in this article, the organisation does not meet WP:NCORP. The Hebrew article isn’t any help in terms of additional sources that would show the topic is notable. There may be better sources in Hebrew that I can’t find, but if not I think this should be deleted, Mccapra (talk) 03:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- It's a recognized association in Israel (link here & here), It's also known for it's political activities (some English sources: 1, 2, 3). I don't think the article should be deleted, but I'll respect the community decision. אקסינו (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep As it covers an important progressive movement in Israel that has made a significant impact on social and political issues. The group has been involved in campaigns for environmental protection, human rights, and social justice, which have received media attention. There are reliable sources that show the group's importance, including news articles and reports about its activities. --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 12:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just being officially registered does not make the organisation notable. Where is the in depth coverage of it in reliable independent sources? Mccapra (talk) 06:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There are two very basic problems with this article: [1] How is it notable? It's a small organization. References are passing mentions or not independent. Sources are hard to find – tag me if found – since מחזקים is a common Hebrew word. [2] Where does this article/organization fit in with the rest of Wikipedia? The organization exists and has some activities and impact. It can be mentioned elsewhere, for example at the New Israel Fund, yet hasn't been organically included in ANY other articles. The latter nixes a redirect. The interests are broad so no immediate (highly selective) merge destination comes to mind. Sticking with the NIF example, it is obviously not a subsidiary. It may belong somewhere in the discussion of NIF but we do not know that for sure, nor how to include Mehazkim. [1] and [2] lead to delete. gidonb (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
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The result was redirect to Check Point. Any content worth merging can be pulled from the page history. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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No real sources on this article demonstrating notability, and only one source I could find online. Fails WP:NCORP. Allan Nonymous (talk) 20:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - incredibly minor product offering from an otherwise notable company. Lack of sustained coverage reflects that. Brandon (talk) 04:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as vast amounts of literature were written on the subject, readily accessible through Google Books, including in bundled magazines. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP also applies. gidonb (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are a grand total of two books on the topic and they are technical manuals. The higher standard of WP:NCORP applies here, so they don't qualify as sources. Any content worth keeping should be covered in the main article about the company. Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's more and NCORP does not apply as VPN-1 is a technology, not a company. gidonb (talk) 04:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NCORP states "this page is to help determine whether an organization (commercial or otherwise), or any of its products and services, is a valid subject for a separate Wikipedia article dedicated solely to that organization, product, or service." And the introductory sentence of the article is "VPN-1 is a firewall and VPN product." Brandon (talk) 07:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's more and NCORP does not apply as VPN-1 is a technology, not a company. gidonb (talk) 04:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Editors may be interested in searching for this product in the EBSCOhost databases, provided free of charge by the The Wikipedia Library. There's lots of results there, though I don't know enough to evaluate the reliability of those sources, and am not enthusiastic enough about this topic to look through all of them. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. If there are reliable sources out there, please do not just mention that they exist, bring them to the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Looking at the EBSCOhost results, they're mostly reviews of VPN-1 software and devices in technical magazines - e.g. there's one in Network Computing from 2000, two in Network World from 2000 and 2005, and one in Server Management from 2007. There's also a ComputerWorld article from 2001 about a security hole in VPN-1. I'd consider all of these to be reliable, independent sources, and they go into as much technical depth as I'd expect from a networking magazine. I didn't find any really early reviews that would support the material about why VPN-1 was novel when it first came out, though. Adam Sampson (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Check Point has dozens and dozens of products, of which VPN-1 is just one that doesn't standout as the 1 or 2 products we should have an article on. Even Cisco, the most prominent networking vendor, suffers from this problem. Category:Cisco products is an arbitrary collection of Cisco products that is in no way comprehensive or even reflects the most notable subset of their products. Perhaps we should merge this article to List of Check Point products and in the future if sections are fleshed out enough they can be split into their own articles? Brandon (talk) 03:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, that sounds reasonable. You could even just merge into the article about the company. Adam Sampson (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- We can only Merge articles to existing target articles. So this needs to be created before this AFD is closed. Liz Read! Talk! 08:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, that sounds reasonable. You could even just merge into the article about the company. Adam Sampson (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Check Point has dozens and dozens of products, of which VPN-1 is just one that doesn't standout as the 1 or 2 products we should have an article on. Even Cisco, the most prominent networking vendor, suffers from this problem. Category:Cisco products is an arbitrary collection of Cisco products that is in no way comprehensive or even reflects the most notable subset of their products. Perhaps we should merge this article to List of Check Point products and in the future if sections are fleshed out enough they can be split into their own articles? Brandon (talk) 03:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to the company article (Check Point) for now. If a list of products is spun out it can be retargeted and any appropriate content merged then, though it's not clear to me there is any content appropriate to merge considering it's currently essentially unsourced. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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