Talk:Yahya Sinwar

Why does it say "Face of Evil" is a nickname? It is not, it is the tabloidesque description a hyperbolic article from Sky News gave. Embarrassing lack of standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:529A:9500:E4A6:254:F47F:9142 (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Came to say the same thing. Some IDF terrorist once called Sinwar "the face of evil" and then somehow that becomes one of his nicknames? In that case there are a lot of nicknames we can attribute to Netanyahu and his buddies on their wiki pages. 67.68.90.67 (talk) 07:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Correction - There’s no such thing as IDF terrorist. They are soldiers who do their mandatory service in their state. Hamas is a terrorist organization and so are his leaders. 77.139.50.153 (talk) 17:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Why has this page not been immediately updated and refreshed?? This individual is confirmed DEAD? Everything should be in the past tense? 2A06:C701:4A56:4D00:788C:CC1A:189F:946 (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

For everyone who wishes to edit this article with much more details.

On 17:58, 14 October 2023‎ , I added a version which covers much more details about Yahya Sinwar, about his family, about his youth, ideology, the fact that he murdered people himself, etc. Unfortunately, probably from political reasons, some users decided to revert it. If you are an editor, check it out, I also added many sources, please add at least some of the facts mentioned there. 46.120.7.7 (talk) 09:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Could you point again to your contribution or post it somewhere where it doesn't get deleted? I see no trace of it. 213.147.164.254 (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Archived reference 65: "Yahya Sinwar / Abu Ibrahim". Global Security. Retrieved 13 August 2024.

at https://archive.is/BqTO2 Biriataco (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate section

The paragraph: << Born in the Khan Yunis refugee camp in Egyptian-ruled Gaza in 1962, his family was expelled or fled from Al-Majdal Asqalan (Ashkelon) during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. He finished his studies at the Islamic University of Gaza where he received a bachelor's degree in Arabic Studies. >> is literally repeated in the Early Life section. Someone should probably delete it from the article's introduction. Ranieri001 (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

1987

https://news.walla.co.il/item/3621441 In 1987, he wants to experiment with dropping explosive charges. He chose Shifa Hospital in Gaza City as a dummy target. 2.55.181.130 (talk) 20:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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2600:4040:9CE4:500:3979:8201:D511:7B00 (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

He is introduced as a political leader but and not as a terrorist. That's implies a lie.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

My suggestion would be as follows:

> Yehya Sinwar, is a terrorist leader and Palestinian politician who has been leading Hamas, the Sunni Islamist political and military organization that rules the Gaza Strip, since 2017.

Instead of the current one which is,

> Yehya Sinwar, is a Palestinian politician who has been leader of Hamas, the Sunni Islamist political and military organization that rules the Gaza Strip, since 2017.

5aturnius (talk) 11:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hamas

hamas is called a political or military organization at the beginning . That should be changed to terrorist organization 147.236.117.73 (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2024

The opening sentence of the third paragraph is hard to read. I propose the following rewording, which does not change the factual information but makes it easier for the reader to parse. The current wording is:

"For orchestrating the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators in 1989, he was sentenced to four life sentences by Israel, of which he served 22 years until his release among 1,026 others in a 2011 prisoner exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit."

I suggest:

"In 1982, Sinwar orchestrated the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators. He was sentenced to four life sentences by Israel. He served 22 years until he and 1,026 others were released in 2011 in exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit."

Thanks, Opolito (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Last edit

@האופה: "is thought" refers to the location, while the human shield claim is indeed still stated in WP voice. Plus you have only added one theory and ignored the two rest. The very existence of three theories is indicative of unreliability. Please stop edit warring and seek consensus and demonstrate verifiability for the information you are trying to add. Three Israeli websites are obviously not independent nor reliable for this information. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@האופה: Still waiting for your elaborations on your edit. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have concerns regarding the sources, you should start a discussion on WP:RSN. We better evaluate sources based on their sticking to factual reporting rather than their country of origin, so their location in Israel is irrelevant to this conversation. If you're familiar with other theories of Sinwar's current whereabouts which other reliable sources support you're welcome to add them as well. HaOfa (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@האופה: Now how WP works. Per WP:BURDEN, it is the responsibility of the inserter of the material to demonstrate verifiability. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

wrong information

Sinwar was not accused or convicted of killing any Israeli soldier; he was active in an al-majd organization that used to torture and kill Palestinians, accused by Hammas of being spys, "infidels," or "unbelievers."

I have the Israeli court file that proves that.

The information about him killing two soldiers is completely untrue. The number of Supreme Court protocols is:

בגץ 658/89 אברהים חסן סנואר נ' מפקד כוחות צה"ל ברצועת עזה' פ"ד מג(2) 821

HCJ 658/89 Ibrahim Hassan Sanwar v. Commander of IDF Forces in the Gaza Strip, PD 43(2) 821

The files of the melitiary court that convicted Sinwarr were not published because it's a melitiary court, BUT his father appealed to supreme court to prevent the demolishing of his house and there the information was published Makbula Nassar (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Lede

@Thegreatrebellion: What value does this sentence add to the lede as a summary of the body? " He is regarded as one of the most prominent leaders of Hamas, alongside Ismail Haniyeh, Khaled Mashal, Mohammed Deif and Marwan Issa." Sinwar is already described as the organization's head in GS. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Yahya Sinwar has been appointed Head of Hamas' Political Bureau

I cannot edit this article. Someone make this change, thanks! XAP14x (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

No he hasnt. The sourcing I've seen say Muhammad Ismail Darwish has been appointed interim head of the political bureau. nableezy - 18:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Take that back. nableezy - 21:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Updating Article

the article refers to him as one of the most prominent leaders of Hamas, while as of present he is the leader of Hamas as a whole. Blepii (talk) 21:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Brain surgery?

There are conflicting reports about where and when he had brain surgery. Our article cites a 2024 NYT article, that says 2004 at Soroka Medical Center.[1] This source [2] says 2008 at Assaf Harofeh Medical Center. This source[3] says 2004 at Shamir Medical Center (the new name of Assaf Harofeh Medical Center).

Because of the conflicts by reliable sources, there is no authoritative source. At best we can report what the sources say ie. according to X it was here, according to Y it was there. In situations like this, older sources closer to the event are more reliable, but since he was not a major figure at the time, it may not have been reported at all, and only recently is it being reported as Israeli doctors saving his life. -- GreenC 22:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Not a "definitively reliable" source, but here's a quote from an interview with Tat-Gundar Betty Lahat, who was head intelligence officer of the Israeli Prison Service and commander of the prison where Sinwar was incarcerated. Excerpt from Israeli publication Walla, translated using Google Translate:

"He was terribly afraid. When he started having headaches, we sent him from Nafha prison in the south to Ayalon prison, and later they discovered a tumor near his brain, and the man just fell apart, because it was a very violent type of cancer. We brought him to Assaf Harofeh Hospital, and he underwent surgery to remove it [the growth]. I came to see him, 'You see, the state of Israel saved your life.' He said, 'No one explains to me what my situation is, not even my family knows if this is the end of me.'

"So I called the doctor who explained to him that the tumor had been removed and currently no metastases are seen. But Sanwar continued to be frightened. Every time he saw me he asked, 'What will happen to me, the tumor will not return?' , and senior officials from the Palestinian Authority asked to visit him and were allowed to. First, the Minister of Prisoners' Affairs Sufyan Abu Zeida arrived, and when he left the visit I asked him, 'Well, what, the hero cried for you too?', and he said, 'Yes, there is nothing to be done, Sanwar is afraid for his life.'"

So, according to the head intelligence officer of the Israeli Prison Service and commander of the prison where Sinwar was incarcerated, Sinwar was operated on at Assaf Haforeh Hospital/Shamir Medical Center (where he allegedly visited him). Mooonswimmer 23:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

That's a pretty good source, from someone who was there and in a position of authority. It's the same material noted in [4] which gave a date of 2008. Was it 2008? Or 2004 per NYT? -- GreenC 02:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Please do this grammar edit

Sinwar is married to Samar Muhammad Abu Zamar in 21 November 2011, who is 18 years younger than him

-> Sinwar married Samar Muhammad Abu Zamar, who is 18 years younger than him, on 21 November 2011, 86.31.178.164 (talk) 11:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@86.31.178.164 Well. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 11:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Accused war criminal

Should be added in the opening statement that he is a Palestinian politician and an accused war criminal by the international criminal court. Burying it in the later sections shows political bias of the editors and undermines Wikipedia’s credibility as a serious source of information. 100.6.108.194 (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree. There are many other examples of bias in this article, in my opinion. Afw35 (talk) 03:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Objective language

In this excerpt:

"Despite his leadership among prisoners, Sinwar remained humble, sharing cooking duties and other chores with junior inmates as well as making knafeh for fellow prisoners, fostering camaraderie."

The phrase "Sinwar remained humble," should be removed to maintain a sense of objectivity.

The actions speak for themselves and presenting them on their own is enough to illustrate the point. The clause "Sinwar remained humble," could give the reader a sense of partiality. Afw35 (talk) 03:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Current Status

The last paragraph of Sinwar's bibliography states that his current status is ambiguous, and that the IDF is unsure if he is alive. However, there are new reports from negotiators in Qatar that Sinwar is alive. Hammer128 (talk) 19:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

He is Alive

He is reportedly alive and not dead. According to reports, he contacted ceasefire deal mediators. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 13:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, He is alive. BangladeshiEditorInSylhet (talk) 07:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Not anymore 87.68.132.68 (talk) 15:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Another one bites the dust~ 2A10:8001:8597:0:5EBC:FC19:C86:3535 (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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His death is confirmed by DNA request 2A00:A041:1C1D:CF00:F455:23D1:5979:A47F (talk) 14:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

The man is dead. It's confirmed. ZeroByter (talk) 14:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Yep, can also confirm. Svsivard (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Is there a source with the DNA claim? Been trying to find one to no avail so far. Procyon117 (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

There's no source because no such test was done yet (or at least, its results were not published). There is no official source claiming his death yet. Hopefully soon. רון18 (talk) 14:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Mhm. It's only a matter of time at this point. Procyon117 (talk) 14:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Of course it's a matter of time. But the body was recovered from the ruins only recently, and we are waiting for an official confirmation. I don't say it's not true, I just say it has not been confirmed yet by any official source. רון18 (talk) 14:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I have seen the pictures, and they do resemble him. The corpse is surrounded by idf and it means they have access to it, we’ll wait for the dna tests but it’s likely The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 14:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

There is also a front teeth / ear comparison of the corpse to the living person, they are identical. Sources are Telegram / X. Jouk (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Until a reliable source(s) comfirm his death. Wår (talk) 15:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2024 (2)

Update death date to 17th of October 2024 2A0D:6FC0:7BE:C500:91F7:83B8:33B0:9D96 (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request: Update article with confirmed reports of Sinwar's assassination

Yahya Sinwar has "likely" been successfully assassinated by Israeli forces, according to Israeli officials, with the chances being described as "very high". See these reports by Ynet: English article and Hebrew article which include (caution: morbid) verified photographs showing the Hamas leader's remains. Outlets such as BBC news and CNN have not reported this yet, but Israeli media is widely reporting it, as per the above. Neutral Editor 645 (talk) 14:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

The article as stands is perfectly able to communicate this. There's no need at current to update the article until this is confirmed, it already mentions Israel is attempting to confirm the death. 110.20.230.22 (talk) 15:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

To avoid repeating the same response, please see the comment chain below. Neutral Editor 645 (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a news agency. Stating that Sinwar may have been killed is sufficient until sources widely report that he is actually dead. Cortador (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Western outlets are now reporting this too. BBC News: "Israel 'increasingly confident' Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in Gaza", CNN: "Man killed in Gaza operation believed to be Hamas leader, sources say".

At the very least, the article can be updated to reflect this higher confidence in the Hamas leader's death, as full formal verification may take days or even weeks.

Note that these are live reports URLs, so they may be subject to future change. Neutral Editor 645 (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Images are currently circulating on Twitter of Sinwar with a hole in his head, surrounded by IDF personnel. I know that this isn't a reputable source, but it's very likely that Sinwar has been assassinated. Expect an official statement in the coming hours. Hammer128 (talk) 15:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2024 (3)

Sinwar was never a ‘politician’. Sinwar is/was a known terrorist according to numerous governmental agencies.

It is false to refer to sinwar as a politician.

My motivation for this is solely accuracy of information. 2605:8D80:6C0:B2FF:B9BB:28DE:5CDD:7FFE (talk) 15:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)