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Bini (group) is currently a Music good article nominee. Nominated by Royiswariii (talk) at 06:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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On 17 June 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to BINI (group). The result of the discussion was not moved.

LionhearTV as a reliable source

@Royiswariii recently raised concerns regarding the reliability of LionhearTV. This article currently relies on three cited source from LionhearTV (previously four), which needs to be addressed according to them. I have replaced one source with a reference to a press release by ABS-CBN Newsroom as LionhearTV's article was a complete copypaste from the said press release. See this diff for the revision. Other Bini-related articles also rely to this source.

Nevertheless, I'm opening this topic to gather feedback from interested editors whether to raise this concern to WP:RSN to further discuss its reliability as a source since 688 Philippine articles (based on a Wikipedia search query that returned 688 article entries) are also relying to LionhearTV. AstrooKai (Talk • Contributions) 15:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been a bit wary of the site since as far as I can remember, its connection to ABS-CBN is not that clearly defined, as compared to PEP and its relationship with GMA network (which explains why I am more comfortable with using it here and some related articles). Borgenland (talk) 15:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to their own about page, LionhearTV was established in 2008 as an independent entertainment blog, though I don't know if they're a "news blog" (which may pass WP:RS and WP:NEWSBLOG) or a "personal blog" (which fails WP:UGC). This is why I'm planning to raise this to WP:RSN to generate consensus regarding its reliability, or at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Sources, if its more appropriate there since the source is a Philippine website. AstrooKai (Talk • Contributions) 16:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AstrooKai! I gathered some research on the AfD regarding LionhearTV being considered an unreliable source. They aren't accepting it as reliable. I came across a draft article (Draft:My Mother, My Story) where a review by SafariScribe (mentioned that they reviewed my article too on Maloi and wasn't approved, possibly due to sources like LionhearTV). I based it on their feedback and flagged it as an unreliable source. Royiswariii (talk) 19:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a statement from one editor, we need to generate a consensus from other editors on whether the source is, as SafarScribe mentioned, an unreliable source. Because I'm currently stuck between whether LionhearTV is a news blog or a personal blog, since news blogs are sometimes considered a reliable source, depending on how the article was written (see WP:NEWSBLOG). I will have this raised to WP:RSN to have a centralized discussion for it, since there are hundreds of Philippine articles using LionhearTV as a reference at some point. AstrooKai (Talk • Contributions) 10:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See parallel discussion at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines. Borgenland (talk) 04:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that this issue has been raised to WP:RSN, feel free to drop feedback there if there is any. AstrooKai (Talk • Contributions) 19:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject for Bini

Hello! I have thoughts here or a suggestion too, I was planning a WikiProject that dedicated only for Bini last month but the proposal for WikiProject are on hold (WP:WPPRO), but they stated that If your group can't wait for the new process, please only create group pages in the userspace of one of your members.. Any thoughts should I continue? Royiswariii Talk! 04:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, didn't know you proposed something like this for Bini last month. Can you directly link to the proposal? AstrooKai (Talk) 05:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't propose a Wikiproject because they're changing the process of the proposing of WikiProject, I bet that it will take longer to return of proposing a Wikiproject. But I'm planning to create a Wikiproject using my userspace since it's not allowed to propose a wikiproject. In their statment In 2024, we are changing the proposal process. We are trying to reduce the number of failed attempts to start groups. Royiswariii Talk! 05:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Although, I'm not quite familiar with a userspace WikiProject. How does it differ from mainspace WikiProjects? AstrooKai (Talk) 06:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, there is no difference on WP mainspace and userspace, they just recommended to create a WikiProject if you are impatient to create (like me), maybe a limited to do in userspace i guess? But I think it's just same as WP mainspace. It's just a limited small group and can formalized if the proposal for WikiProject was okay.Royiswariii Talk! 06:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay. Though, I'm not quite sure if Bini needs a WikiProject right now. I mean, SB19, another P-pop group, has relatively the same stardom as Bini right now, but they don't seem to have a dedicated WikiProject or group of editors here. As far as I know, only a few of us editors regularly maintain Bini-related articles (me, you, and @Borgenland). @Orojackson56 was active before, but they stopped contributing in August. @Indo360 on the other hand, is active in improving other Philippine entertainment articles.

Though that is my opinion, I don't know about the others. It's up to them whether they agree with forming a Bini WikiProject since I'm okay with whatever the outcome of this. I pinged them for their feedback about this proposal. AstrooKai (Talk) 08:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think the time is ripe for an independent WikiProject. I think the best solution for now is helping the Music Task Force in Tambayan, but I do wish a Bloom badge is available for display in user pages. Borgenland (talk) 08:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The music task force is active, but we need additional participants who are active and able to address those items in the to-do list. In addition, Bini is already under this task force, so I think having a separate WikiProject for the group alone is too much.

For the Bloom userbox, I have been planning to create one for a long time now, but I just can't find any images or logo of the group that I can use without violating any policy or guidelines. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a logo of File:BINI logo.svg, I will upload a new clearer logo. Royiswariii Talk! 09:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, but I'm concerned since it's a trademark of ABS-CBN. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]