Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 December 5
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The result was redirect to The New School. I assume this is the Redirect target article participants wanted. Liz Read! Talk! 04:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gnarls Narwhal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Simply not notable. Nearly all sources come from the mascot's university, which is too narrow. The remaining two sources are culture war churn pieces that don't say much. The creator, Mollystarkdean also has COI, as she is a New School professor. It would be better to include it either in the university's article as an example of their progressivism or as their sports team mascot. Ornov Ganguly TALK 03:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Advertising and Schools. Ornov Ganguly TALK 03:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect or Merge: to the article about the school. Just not enough stand-alone sourcing, non-primary sourcing, to have an article. Not fussed if we either redirect or merge. Oaktree b (talk) 15:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC) hi
- Shoot, forgot that was a separate procedure. Full support for this. Ornov Ganguly TALK 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect: The subject of the article doesn't meet notability. BEFORE turns up nothing substantial, and the references used are either directly related to the New School or via unreliable sources. (See WP:GAWKER and the articles about The College Fix and Campus Reform.) JSFarman (talk) 17:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect - to the university's main article. Fails GNG. A side note: it appears there is a whole suite of articles related to this school that would be better redirected, and the mother article needs a serious trimming. There are very few reliable independent sources anywhere in the entire suite of articles. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 03:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Even ignoring the potential cavassing, there is a snowball consensus to keep this page. charlotte 👸♥ 02:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- David Joyner (business executive) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BEFORE reveals effectively nothing before being promoted to CEO in October 2024 (the lone exception being one 2023 press release, which does not contribute to notability). It also reveals nothing afterward. Joyner was therefore covered for a single day, and that was only in the singular context of a few national news articles which give extremely minimal coverage to Joyner himself. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Subject fails WP:NBIO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In what way is the CEO of a major American Health Corporation "not notable?" Could you be specific? Gosos67 (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- A company that has such an intimate impact on millions of lives both financially and physically, should have its leadership structure remain public for obvious accountability reasons. 2A00:23C7:D501:1801:CC5B:C3E:888E:4F9F (talk) 22:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not just that, but it's also a Fortune 500 company. Pidey (talk) 23:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP: this guy is notable enough. Apeholder (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I understand the sensitivities given recent events, but Mr. Joyner is an important public figure as the CEO of a publicly traded major American corporation. Deleting his profile is a dangerous precedent and against the core mission of the Wikimedia Foundation. 73.25.155.67 (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In what way is the CEO of a major American Health Corporation "not notable?" Could you be specific? Gosos67 (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This reads like a brief press release about David Joyner. Whether or not CVS survives the current fiscal challenges is notable, but executives come and go. — Maile (talk) 03:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The argument this comment presents for deletion is deeply flawed. It is grounded specifically in the idea that executive positions are transient by nature. But of course, that also applies to all public officials and public offices, elected officials and people in society who exert influence. By their nature, politicians come and go, but the communities they represent remain. The logical implications of this 'appeal to transience' argument then, are that every Wiki page related to specific politicians should be deleted, politicians also being transient office bearers. This is not an advisable precedent to set. 77.103.87.249 (talk) 18:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I think that makes this a case for revision and expansion, not deletion. He is certainly a notable figure, as he is the head of the largest pharmacy chain in the U.S. PxBx (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep While I understand the criticism of the Before section of this page. This would simply merit an improvement of said section, not the deletion of the entire page. Chief Executive Officer of a major pharmaceutical company is a notable title to be held. While I do not question if this discussion started in good faith or not (as per the Wiki guidelines) I find it concerning that fellow editors would consider deletion based off of what I believe to be weak reasoning. Bubirkullaniciadi (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
- The quality of the article should not affect the fact that this person is notable enough to have a page. We should instead add to and edit the page, and make suggestions on how do better write it. Bdonvr (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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- This is crazy reaction to the UHC CEO. Are you really that much of a shill?? Look at the company website it literally lists him as CEO. 66.69.57.207 (talk) 04:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- The article should remain up for the interest of the community. Also it is strange you are nominating it for deletion at a very convenient time when CEOs are trying to hide their digital footprints. I do not believe you are doing this in a genuine manner. The community should investigate possible collusion. LuffyDe (talk) 10:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- W 50.245.226.17 (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am an administrator and this is the goofiest aspersion I have heard on here in a very long time. If the nominator turns out to somehow secretly getting cheques cut from the... freaking...David Joyner gravy train(?) I will block them for WP:UPE myself and personally send you a hundred bucks. But otherwise this is a total load of dreck. jp×g🗯️ 18:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- As an attorney, I have it on solid information that UHC and other health-related companies have put together surveillance and wipe teams seeking, among other things, to limit unnecessary executive exposure online. Please provide the names and details for the nominators. I will track down all connections to law firms and other business interests to prove the nominators are being influenced. You will then owe me money. Simon perdorian (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- This seems very much like an attempt to 'out' editors. Knitsey (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- can I get $100 too? I'm not casting any aspersions or anything, I'm just broke. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 22:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- As an attorney, I have it on solid information that UHC and other health-related companies have put together surveillance and wipe teams seeking, among other things, to limit unnecessary executive exposure online. Please provide the names and details for the nominators. I will track down all connections to law firms and other business interests to prove the nominators are being influenced. You will then owe me money. Simon perdorian (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as the sources indicated by ErrorCorrection1 show he is a notable person -- not to mention the very likely possibility of a coordinated push to remove his information publicly. Gel-Veen (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as he is clearly a notable person with reliable coverage. Aresef (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP the timing is too convenient for me to believe that this is a good faith submission. The question of deleting this page has never seen much support, and deleting it now would obviously just be in response to recent events, and not due to any valid breach of Wikipedia guidelines ~~~~ DnBpowerlistener (talk) 19:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Joyner is most definitely notable enough to warrant an article. Motioning to outright delete an article of a major executive when it's already been thoroughly written is not in anyone, especially the public's, best interest. Swipe4004 (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is an egregiously bad-faith deletion attempt fueled by pearl-clutching bootlickers. Nyalcoholic (talk) 20:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I cannot imagine any reason why an executive of a public company shouldn’t have a wiki page. Absolutely insane that we have people protecting billionaires on this site. 73.11.237.25 (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - public figure of a major corporation whose decisions can impact millions. We all know the real reason why there is a push to delete this information. If a CEO is that afraid then he should make better decisions or quit. COPhotog (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, he’s sufficiently notable. If the article is poorly written, then we should rewrite the article to be better Snokalok (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the CEO is a notable individual in charge of a Fortune 500 company. Dc55555 (talk) 01:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - He is a public figure of a famous organization and therefore there is no reason to eliminate a wikipedia page about him. If TheTechnician27 really is trying to clean up this article based on its own merits, then this is horrible timing and the article should be improved instead.
- The only alternative to above is if the Technician27 has ulterior motives (not accusing, just hypothetical). In which case it 100% should remain.
- From no angle does this article's deletion make any sense. RavenToLeviathan (talk) 01:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - Notability is well established and well sourced per ErrorCorrection1's research, though article should be improved nonetheless. That said, accusations that TheTechnician27 has ulterior motives are in deeply bad faith and don't have any supporting evidence. Altorespite 🌿 01:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - This person is a public figure. The CEO of a publicly traded company should also have their biographical information published, as their actions could affect the stock price of the company. 72.240.228.130 (talk) 02:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. More notable that a TV episode, which Wikipedia deems notable. Also has reliable source coverage.
https://rhodeislandcurrent.com/2024/10/18/cvs-health-is-hurting-will-a-new-ceo-cure-its-financial-ills/ About his tasks at troubled CVS
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/18/cvs-to-replace-ceo-karen-lynch-with-exec-david-joyner.html
https://www.depts.ttu.edu/rawlsbusiness/advisory-council/david-joyner/ About Texas Tech, not about CEO
https://www.hillphysicians.com/staff/david-joyner From 2015
https://fortune.com/2024/04/03/time-for-facts-in-the-pbm-debate/ His ideas before being CEO
ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep There is no reason a chief executive of one of the largest health care companies on earth shouldn't have a page. ReiPeixe (talk) 21:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. David Joyner also received coverage prior to becoming president/CEO of CVS when he testified before the United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability about pharmacy benefit managers and perscription drug markets. [1][2][3][4][5] Testimony that continued to generate controversy months later. [6][7] GeorgiaHuman (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Sources found by ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman demonstrate Joyner's notability. Thriley (talk) 19:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman.—indopug (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman, he has recieved plenty of press attention as the CEO of an S&P 500 company.Cthulhu Inc (talk) 15:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Seems to have notability. Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 16:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1, plenty of references to him in notable news sources. Maybe not notable enough for a statue, but certainly a Wikipedia article. Ohmsteader (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. It's pretty clear what is going on here. This page should remain for the time being. Even if this page isn't relevant, now isn't the time to delete it, per WP:NORUSH
- Keep It is evident whats going on here.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zazadawg (talk • contribs) 17:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Hello im cori (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Remikipedia (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. David Joyner is the CEO of a major corporation and as ErrorCorrection1 demonstrated, there are plenty of independent sources for WP:NBIO. It may be a stub at the moment, but that's not necessarily grounds for deletion. Much appreciated, friend! -Avery Trashmouth — Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep Seems there's no real debate here and the keeps have the argument locked down. --Ipatrol (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. JDCMAN (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Since there has been discussion about canvassing as a concern from other editors, there are a wide variety of notable sources for this individual. This has been beyond adequately displayed in the conversation chain here.
- If we collectively 100% completely ignore recent events in the industry as related and take all arguments on good faith, the original argument for deletion fails as there are numerous reputable sources for Wikipedia:NBIO to be satisfied. Per HorseDonkey, other CVS CEOs have also had standalone articles.
- If there are concerns over WP:NPOV, deletion is not an excuse to address NPOV issuers per WP:POVDELETION. JDCMAN (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman both said it well. –Fpmfpm (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that editors have been canvassed to this discussion. A post on social media that has received over 100k views was created about this article, with talk about this discussion in the replies, at 16:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC). --Super Goku V (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per the comments by ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. They are public figures and business executives of massive corporations, this should be publicly accessible information, especially on an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. MyJunoBaldwin (talk) 18:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The CEO of the No. 6 company on the Fortune 500 is ipso facto notable. 199.66.14.55 (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. As mentioned by others, the request is very problematic but it's also extremely evident that deletion would be serving only the CEO in panic, as opposed to the public. Nagi603 (talk) 19:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There's no point in deleting this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1308:28F7:5E00:342C:4D8D:748F:14D3 (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Does not seem to be in good faith considering current events, as people above have proven notability — IмSтevan talk 19:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep per ErrorCorrection1, GeorgiaHuman, and others. Obvious WP:GNG pass. Sal2100 (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep. At this point it's indisputable that it should remain, per everyone above me. Royal Scottish (talk) 19:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)RoyalScottish
- Weak Keep It looks like there are some quality references here, indicating that there are more out there, but I think expansion is required to cement notability. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep.:1. Public Interest and Notability
As the CEO of CVS Health, a Fortune 500 company and one of the largest healthcare organizations in the United States, Joyner is a figure of significant public interest. Leadership in a company that directly impacts millions through its healthcare services and retail operations qualifies for notability under Wikipedia's guidelines for biographies of living persons. 2. Corporate Leadership and Influence CVS Health plays a critical role in the healthcare industry, especially in pharmacy services, retail healthcare, and health insurance through Aetna. The decisions made under Joyner's leadership have far-reaching impacts on healthcare policies and public health. 3. Documenting Professional Contributions If Joyner has implemented innovative strategies, expanded access to healthcare, or spearheaded notable initiatives, these contributions deserve to be documented for public knowledge and historical context. 4. Precedent for Similar Profiles Wikipedia hosts profiles for CEOs of other major corporations, establishing a precedent. Deleting Joyner's page would diverge from this practice unless specific criteria for deletion are met. 5. Educational Value The page provides information about leadership in the corporate world and insights into how executives shape industries. This could be valuable to students, researchers, and professionals in related fields. 6. Transparency and Accountability Public documentation of corporate leaders fosters transparency, allowing people to better understand who is influencing large-scale healthcare decisions. Magnumchaos (talk) 19:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. See justification above from other users. FlaLibrarian (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. And should add information about CVS removing executive photos from their website. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/healthcare-industry-rethinks-risk-after-murder-unitedhealth-exec-2024-12-05/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grahamherbertrichardson (talk • contribs) 20:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a stub but that's not the same thing as not being noteworthy. CallMeSalticidae (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Extraordinarily bad faith deletion nomination given the timing. Equally bad faith are the trivial and nonsensical "reasons" given for the deletion nomination. The article suddenly fails WP:NBIO? The prose suddenly reads like a press release? Now, of all times, this nonsense is going to crawl out of the woodwork? Discipline should be administered here. Tuh22823 (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. In contrast to TheTechnician27's post, Joyner was covered by various industry and national news publications for his work at CVS, including his strategic decisions at Aetna and CVS and the controversy about his congressional testimony. HorseDonkey (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Azkaiix (talk) 20:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Per ErrorCorrection1 and moreso GeorgiaHuman, but also by the very nature of being a CEO/president of a multibillion dollar corporation, he is notable. I also find that anon 77.103.87.249 relates the importance of wikipedia being an unbiased "middleman" resource, but I think that those who are accusing others of some conspiracy should temper their expectations. The article is lacking and it is good to keep wikipedia uncensored and impartial, but we should not jump to conclusions (à la what JPxG has said). Chrisblammo123 (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with CVS Health. Just being a businessperson does not necessarily qualify you as notable, as others have said, and the coverage in the article's sources does not appear to be as in-depth as I think would make him notable enough for his own article. If he becomes more noteworthy in the future, the article can always be restored. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would also like to note that previous CEOs of this company do not have their own articles and I do not see what makes this guy so exceptional that he should have one. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Previous CEOs of CVS do have their own articles. Karen Lynch, Larry Merlo, Tom Ryan HorseDonkey (talk) 21:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge I disagree. Joyner has notable contributions outside his tenure as a CVS executive. These are spoken to directly in the article and have no place as subtext in the CVS Health entry. Anameanamewhatsinaname (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the proposal put forward by user:archimedes157 Mfernflower (talk) Mfernflower (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Subject is a public figure and has plenty of good sourcing; we are not a PR department for CVS Health, nor are we their safety department, and the sourcing is solid and there; I do understand that this AfD is now getting Twitter publicity, but even discounting anyone coming from there this is still a pretty broad WP:SNOWBALL. Nate • (chatter) 21:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above sources, passes WP:BIO and WP:GNG.--User:Namiba 21:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep i beleive this article should be expanded and photos should be included, the ceo of one of the largest health organizations should not be a stub--thewillmorgs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.166.251.109 (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I feel like some people here are jumping the gun, and accusing the nominator of trying to protect a billionaire. Go back to the article as it was when it was nominated (Special:PermanentLink/1261253554); it only had 3 sentences. So, if anything, this nomination brough attention to the article so it could be improved, and consequently not deleted! All's well that ends well. — Avelludo (Talk / Contribs / Log) 22:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am in awe in the quantity of assuming bad faith here. Like yeah it had 3 sentences... Half of the people here should get reprimands. WP:AGF, folks. win8x (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Despite the proposer's comments, Joyner does have substantial media coverage—more so than much created from here, for instance. It is also likely that he will gain more coverage in the future, given his position; while this is not a reason to keep, it is a reason not to delete where there is already a fair number of sources on him. He is also talked about in a manner distinct from personifying CVS; thus, unlike Archimedes157's proposal, his biography should not be merged with the article on the company. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Clearly the broad consensus is keep. The page has been greatly expanded today. It shows there is widespread media coverage. Hard to argue anything else except that he is notable, worthy of this page being kept. InquisitiveWikipedian (talk) 22:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: above commenters have provided plenty of coverage to justify keeping this article up. jeschaton (immanentize) 22:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep ditto, no reason for this to be removed, even if the article could be improved. Sontails1234 (talk) 23:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The consensus is very clear, there is no good reason why this should be deleted. The subject is a public figure and the article has good sources. ~tayanaru (talk) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Subject is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, which by definition makes him one of the most influential and powerful people on the planet! Faulty (talk) 01:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: per other commenters and WP:SNOW. This is obviously an insane attempt to censor Wikipedia. –DMartin 01:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. This is not as clear cut as some people seem to think and some of the conspiracy theorists are definitely showing their arses here. Nonetheless, I do think it is just about over the line for notability. The nomination seems to be rooted in WP:BLP1E but his appointment as CEO and his fractious testimony before a House committee are two separate and significant things. The Aetna thing doesn't add much but, even so, BLP2E, or rather the lack of it, applies. That said, I'd also like to defend the nominator from undue aspersions. The version that was nominated was much less complete than what we have now and it certainly did look extremely deletable. I could easily have made the same mistaken decision myself. (Full disclosure: I became aware of this AfD when I saw people talking about it on Bluesky and thought I should find out what was really going on.) --DanielRigal (talk) 01:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- A lot of people keep bringing up BLP1E, but I don't think it really applies here. They're notable for being CEO, which is hardly a single event. William M. Brown has an article, despite not being notable before becoming CEO of 3M, nor was Stephen Squeri before becoming CEO of American Express, nor was Jonathan Brash before becoming an MP. Being the holder of the office is the thing that makes them notable. –DMartin 02:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I have no way to speculate on the nominator's motivation, but in my opinion the article (as of the time I'm writing this) is more than sufficient to keep. Not entirely sure if WP:Speedy keep is relevant here, but at this point the results of this discussion appear to be leaning in a WP:SNOW direction.Andrew11374265 (talk) 02:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The original argument made for deletion falls apart even with just the article in its current state. I understand that often with faceless businesspeople it can be difficult to ascribe them notability when the only outlets that describe them do so in the same manner with little basis for even a short biography, but evidently this is not the case with Joyner. His heading of the company has intersected him into the realm of politics, in which he has been specifically named by a congressperson as described in the current revision. He has multiple points of notability for different reasons, and the sources listed above only serve as an addition to what that biography could look like. Rman41 (talk) 02:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- This article should not be deleted, as it violates no policy and contains no reason for deletion. The only presumable reason I could find would be that Joyner doesn't want the article (and his job) to be public knowledge, and, as the Biographies of Living Persons page clearly states: "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it."Emphasis on the last sentence after the dash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.225.71 (talk) 02:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ozenic, Virginia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged as unsourced since 2022; there's a GNIS external link but this place name has apparently been purged from GNIS. This isn't an "unincorporated community", this was a village of the Powhatan confederacy, situated in 1608 on Chickahominy r. in New Kent co., Va. per this. This states that it was the closest out of a set of villages to the James River.
I can find nothing that provides further details. While I am sympathetic to the notability of extinct native settlements, the sum source of knowledge of this source is that somebody wrote in 1608 that this place existed. This would be WP:UNDUE weight to mention at the Powhatan article. Any further sourcing would be from 400+ years ago in an extinct language and almost certainly no longer exists. There's just nothing to say about this place other than that it existed in 1608, and I don't think that's sufficient basis for an article. Hog Farm Talk 02:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete No information found anywhere other than the sources given by nom, and no information to merge. Unlikely search term. Anyway, the artice was created as an informationless GNIS-dump, not as an attempt to document Powhatan settlements, and is flatly incorrect in calling this an "unincorporated community", so I'm comfortable with a delete. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per all of the above. This is certainly not a currently existing community, nor is there any notability rationale presented in the article. TH1980 (talk) 02:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete With over 2,000 pages in Category:Unincorporated communities in Virginia, the majority of which like this one machine- or bulk-created 16 years ago with no expansion since, I recommend a bulk deletion of such non-notable places made by this user. I commend Hog Farm for his research that the creator didn't do, but there are hundreds and hundreds like this one, names simply lifted from a map to a database and then lifted to be articles that do not meet our notability standards, if not outright incorrect. Reywas92Talk 05:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Claytonville, Virginia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unsourced since creation in 2006. This is on the USGS topos and surely exists, but I can't find any coverage that would indicate a WP:GEOLAND or WP:GNG pass. No mentions in a 1914 county history, nor in a 2011 History Press book about the county. Another recent county history contains one reference to "Clayton's Store", but no Claytonville. Newspapers.com has Claytonville Farm as a historic home/garden open for tour, but the other results in VA papers are for sites elsewhere and a description of the plot of a high school play put on in the late 1930s. I'm not seeing anything that would provide the basis for an article on this subject. Hog Farm Talk 01:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: USGS topo maps show a church and cemetery at the site, plus several buildings, at least as far back as 1938: [8]. This would normally be enough to suggest sources exist, but I can't find any, apart from a single appearance on a map in an Arcadia Publishing book. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I couldn't find anything substantial that would grant this community a notable status beyond a local one. TH1980 (talk) 02:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete With over 2,000 pages in Category:Unincorporated communities in Virginia, the majority of which like this one machine- or bulk-created 16 years ago with no expansion since, I recommend a bulk deletion of such non-notable places made by this user. I commend Hog Farm for his research that the creator didn't do, but there are hundreds and hundreds like this one, names simply lifted from a map to a database and then lifted to be articles that do not meet our notability standards, if not outright incorrect. Reywas92Talk 05:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Alexey Zakharov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - He is one of the famous athletes and is mentioned in more than 30 en:Wikipedia articles. He became a quarterfinalist of junior Grand Slam tournaments four times. In total, he participated in 12 junior Grand Slam tournaments and is accordingly mentioned in articles about these tournaments. He became the winner of ten ITF junior tournaments (2 in singles), reaching 12th place in the ITF World Junior ranking (2018). During 2024, he was a finalist once and quarter finalists twice on the ATP Challenger Tour - see: 2024 ATP Challenger Tour. It is the eighth of the rooms in Top Russian male singles tennis players. --Zboris (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've added some more content and citations to this article (one in English and two in Dutch). Not sure if that makes it now meet the required criteria for significant coverage but thought I'd point it out. I'll let others with more intricate knowledge of the required standards decide if the subject of the article meets the required notability. Shrug02 (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - He is one of the famous athletes and is mentioned in more than 30 en:Wikipedia articles. He became a quarterfinalist of junior Grand Slam tournaments four times. In total, he participated in 12 junior Grand Slam tournaments and is accordingly mentioned in articles about these tournaments. He became the winner of ten ITF junior tournaments (2 in singles), reaching 12th place in the ITF World Junior ranking (2018). During 2024, he was a finalist once and quarter finalists twice on the ATP Challenger Tour - see: 2024 ATP Challenger Tour. It is the eighth of the rooms in Top Russian male singles tennis players. --Zboris (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - FYI this is already on the Russian language Wikipedia. I think it's the same except in that this one is English. I'm willing to accept good faith on the Russian sourcing, and this English version otherwise looks good to me. — Maile (talk) 02:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- L'ultima volta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NSONG, the single did not charted nor received significant coverage in reliable sources. Nothing significant found in my WP:BEFORE. The Rockol ref is pointless. The other two sources' coverage amount to L’EP “SARAH“ conterrà, inoltre, la versione live di Voilà ('The ‘SARAH’ EP will also contain the live version of Voilà') and L’ultima volta è un singolo di Sarah Toscano contenuto nell’ep Sarah. ('L'ultima volta is a single by Sarah Toscano contained in the EP Sarah.') Also, the Cliccando News website is of questionable reliability and its article seems AI-generated. Cavarrone 01:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Appears to fail WP:NSONG. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Clickwheel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Was deleted before in 2006, still doesn't seem to meet GNG. Though I don't want this to be deleted either, I think this needs to be. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. I can't find anything about these guys online. Definitely falls under WP:NARTIST. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Sourcing in the article looks good. And, I am able to find plenty more sources online. Wired has covered this in 2008 at https://www.wired.com/2008/08/comic-books-on/ and in 2009 at https://www.wired.com/2009/05/the-premier-edition-of-the-geekdad-stack-comics-for-your-kids-you/ Meets WP:GNG. Asparagusstar (talk) 21:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, well sourced as is and per Asparagusstar newly found sources. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Non-notable figure skater; does not even come close to meeting the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Includes two local publications; I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong keep: It is important to keep in mind that more sources exist than are present in the articles. SIGCOV, SIGCOV, SIGCOV, SIGCOV, SIGCOV, SIGCOV, SIGCOV JTtheOG (talk) 22:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Los Juglares del Dexas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The previous discussion was closed for soft deletion, however, the reason it was restored was due to the previous nominator being a sock of a banned user. While being an NPP, I stumbled upon this article. Sadly, a quick search revealed little that would contribute to notability. Hence, I think it should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Article without significant coverage or reliable reference citations. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 06:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I would say this lacks in-depth WP:SIGCOV in terms of its sources. The sources it does use mostly originate from the same publication, which as you've mentioned have an author related to the label, making them unreliable.--Tgvarrt (talk) 21:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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