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In the article: "Siege of the Banu Qurayza 

   Main article: Siege of the Banu Qurayza

The Banu Qurayza were a Jewish tribe who lived in Medina. The bulk of the tribe's men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were killed in 627 CE,..." there is unsubstantiated text:"The bulk of the tribe's men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were killed in 627 CE,...", this text should be removed for NPOV, unless substantiated otherwise. There is no historical or authentic evidence to the allegation:"The bulk of the tribe's men,... were killed in 627 CE, ...". The proven practice of the Prophet was 'forgiveness' whether at the victory of Makkah or elsewhere, as per the authentic Islamic texts of AlQoraan & Hadith. More over there is no principle of 'communal punishment' in Islam, contrary to the western principle, as the aforesaid runs contrary to the God's principle of justice: only the criminals individually carry the burden to their crimes as provided in AlQoraan: "No soul (burden-bearer) shall bear the burden of the other soul (burden-bear)" so innocent cannot be punished with the guilty, otherwise it will be an injustice & not a justice & a travesty of justice. If the aforesaid allegation was true it would have been mentioned in those sources, as all other events have been covered in there. It has been suggested that it is 'Masada' story transposed to the above event by the tribe's later generations & which was carried by that tribe's forefathers when they moved from Palestine to Madina, especially the suggested figures of 600 to 800 & 900 connote to that. The Sirat of the Prophet by Ibn Ishaaq is unauthenticated because he does not verify but includes everything heard by him without authentication so it cannot be used as an authentic source unless corroborated by AlQoraan or Authentic Hadith. At http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/banu3.html where it is quoted: (In)"The text of Sirat (by Ibn Ishaaq) continues: ... There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900." by an unnamed Christian author of the web-page, who without evidence & maliciously wrongly concludes: "Muhammad's intention was the massacre of the tribe in the case of all three Jewish tribes.", were it so the Prophet would not have offered them the Pact of Madina; they were at wrong by breaching the signed pact by them repeatedly by treachery by treason since Badr, now there was no shadow of doubt & it was in so open since if no further corrective action was taken it would be a travesty of justice & mockery of principles & pacts. [ PS.The writer is referred to for the simple reason that the authentic Hadith are quoted & discussed at length despite the writer's text being completely bigoted, openly hostile with malice & a missionary agenda & not to find the truth, with an unobjectiveness in his attitude, unmanly with no respect for others' opinion & with no courtesy of a writer & no respect for the Muslims for the insulting attitude to the Prophet & Leader of the Muslims] At http://www.haqq.com.au/~salam/misc/qurayza.html , NEW LIGHT ON THE STORY OF BANU QURAYZA AND THE

JEWS OF MEDINA

By W. N. ARAFAT

From Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, (1976), pp. 100-107. the allegation is fully refuted duly evidenced with sources. The Masda Myth is covered at:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/masada.html http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/masadamyth1.htm http://www.jaygary.com/masada.shtml http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=47059

For reference to the Qoraanic text: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=eng&nSora=1&nAya=1&t=eng For reference to the authentic Hadith text: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html http://www.islamasoft.co.uk/ http://hadith.al-islam.com/bayan/Index.asp?Lang=ENG&Type=2 http://sahihalbukhari.com/sps/sbk/ http://www.troid.org/ahaadeeth/introduction-to-hadeeth/index.php http://www.geocities.com/embracing_islam/hadeeth.html http://www.understand-islam.net/Articles/HadeethClassification.pdf http://www.islamtomorrow.com/hadeeth/hadeethsearch.htm (can search from contents list of www.usc.edu database) ILAKNA (talk) 09:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@ILAKNA What? MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I recommend a change of name of this page

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I recommend changing the name of this page to the "first Islamic State". First of all, it would be useful because this page talks, more than anything, about a type of Polity that preceded the caliphates. As I am not an expert in Islamic history, I am not sure if at some point this State had an "official name" but here, on Wikipedia, there is at least one antecedent that I managed to find in which they already describe it as the "first Islamic State " and that name, although not official, seems useful to me in historiographical term. I leave the link here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state#:~:text=The%20first%20Islamic%20State%20was,the%20Muslim%20Ummah%20(nation).

An alternative name that I found was State of Medina. That can be added to.

--Bibliotecatdj (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. Thank you. Great achievement (talk) 03:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

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Do not redirect without reason. Great achievement (talk) 03:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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