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Cyprus military ranks

I need help with the NCO ranks, i already made the png files how the ranks look but i dont know how to modify the code so i make it look like the greek one, cypriot army have 2 nco ranks for every rank, one for permanent NCOs that completed military academy and the other for SYP-EPY (in Greece EPOP-EMTh) for contracted NCOs that cannot become Warrant Officers, example bellow.

NCO and other ranks

NCO ranks (excl. OR-9 and conscript ranks) have undergone some changes through the years, the latest being in 2004.

NATO code	OR-9						OR-8		OR-7		OR-6						OR-5						OR-4				OR-3		OR-2						OR-1
Hellenic Army																																			Arm/corps insignia only
	Ανθυπασπιστής Anthypaspistis						Αρχιλοχίας Archilochias		Επιλοχίας Epilochias		Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas								Στρατιώτης Stratiotis
Greece (Conscripts)							No equivalent																												No insignia
	Δόκιμος Έφεδρος Αξιωματικός Dokimos Efedros Axiomatikos										Λοχίας Lochias												Δεκανέας Dekaneas				Υποδεκανέας Ypodekaneas		Υποψήφιος Έφεδρος Βαθμοφόρος Ypopsifios Efedros Bathmoforos						Στρατιώτης Stratiotis

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Notes

What is the point of the "thank" option

Like seriously, I don't know what the point of it is. I sometimes use it when I and someone else happen to be working on an article in tandem, but no one else seems to use it. ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Why do you say thank you to people in real life? To show appreciation for something they have done. The Thank feature on Wikipedia is therefore used as a way to show appreciation, usually for an edit or action, that another editor has done. Sure you could go to their Talk Page and write a personal thank you message, but using the Thank button is quicker. qcne (talk) 16:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Qcne I'm not sure if the lack of thanks I've received says more about my editing or the manners of my fellow Wikipedians, then. Either way, I guess it's a neat little feature. Barnstars are cooler, though, right? Like, if someone helps me a lot with an article, would that warrant a barnstars or just a thank you? ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing I regularly use the thank feature to alert another user that I have read their message and to privately acknowledge what they have done, without having to add more text. I am sure that editors who answer at the Teahouse often get such thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Mike, I think Teahouse editors also get a lot of thanks in written replies rather than with the Thank feature because a lot of newbies and toddlers don’t even know about it. I sure didn’t. I wrote countless thanks in messages to Teahouse editors who enlightened me, you included. If many editors thank in written messages because they don’t know about the Thank feature, that partly accounts for why it doesn’t get used.Augnablik (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

That's me, I'm one of those noobs! :D

but fr I really appreciate how supportive and nice everyone is in the Teahouse. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 17:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

OMG! I've just checked at Special:Homepage, which says I have 369 "thanks" from my last 1,000 edits. That's clearly wrong.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it just isn't notifying you when you are thanked, I have had that problem in the past ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 22:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@QcneJust curious how you’d know that “no one else seems to use it” (the Thank feature)…Augnablik (talk) 17:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I've made literally tens of thousands of edits over 15+ years, been 'thanked' only a handful of times, and perhaps 30 barnstars. Thank whom you wish, barnstar those who you think deserve, but I don't feel that we are here for accolades from others. David notMD (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik I'm pretty sure you meant to tag me, but @David notMD's response pretty much sums up what I'm talking about. I have four thanks and about 200 edits and it seems like that ratio holds even if you have thousands of edits ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 17:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

You’re right @ApteryxRainWing. Carelessness on my part.

Sorry, @Qcne. Augnablik (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing: You have been thanked six times [1] but four were after your post here, maybe in response to it. Others cannot see which edit was thanked. I don't know thanks statistics but two thanks for 200 edits may be above average. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

My hypothesis is that if you thank other editors now and again, other editors are more likely to thank you. I have no statistics to back this up. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Seems a logical hypothesis, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång … similar to smiling:

”Countless studies have shown that the very act of seeing another person smile triggers an automatic muscular response that produces a smile on our face. Yes, smiling is contagious, and science has demonstrated that time and time again.” (“Say Cheese! The Effect of Smiling at Others,” Solara Mental Health Veterans Program, https://solaramentalhealth.com/the-effect-of-smiling-at-others/#:~:text=Countless%20studies%20have%20shown%20that,that%20time%20and%20time%20again.) *Sorry for long reference but I couldn’t find a way to link on my mobile phone.*Augnablik (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

(: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I love that source @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I'll chime in! I think that thanking users for small edits that usually go unknown is the best way to use the thank button, (for example copyediting), as it shows that their hard work is not going unappreciated! I do like barnstars better as well though, but I think each have their place! L.E. Rainer 22:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

My submission to Articles for Creation was turned down June 29, and deleted before I returned to editing it in November.

I now have completed the article, addressing the points made by the reviewer. This article appears as a Wikipedia article when I Google the subject (Horst Kroll). My question is, how do submit the article for review? I cannot find any prompt for access to Articles for Creation. Or will the article be reviewed automatically? I hate to think of it simply disappearing.

The WikiDataItem for this new version is Q131353855.

I think the earlier submission, declined by Greenmail, was 1231712396. Dan Proudfoot (talk) 17:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:Horst Kroll, it exists, with a Resubmit button. David notMD (talk) 17:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

There is far too much in the draft that is not about Kroll. David notMD (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, David. I cannot understand why I did not see a Resubmit button. I wonder if somehow this is the Draft as originally submitted, that seemed to have disappeared and I presumed it deleted. Will look now. Dan Proudfoot (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you moved a version from draft to mainspace on 27th November: [2]; I think perhaps you were trying to change the name of the draft? Entmaiden (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

@Dan Proudfoot You have been editing the article in mainspace at Horst Kroll, since at least 1 December, with the last edit yesterday. You should stick to that version in any future work but note that it has not yet been reviewed by the new pages patrol, who may find it deficient. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

MT is right - the article exists, so ignore the draft (it will be automatically deleted for no activity in six months). That said, the article has far too much content that is not about Kroll. Massive cuts recommended. David notMD (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

There's also a lot of puffery and nonencyclopedic language that should be removed and/or rewritten, like "He turned heads by leading the first race", "he finished third, a bittersweet podium", "the brilliantly painted Chipwich Charger", "Kroll was fully in charge as the 1986 schedule commenced", "New to ovals but feisty", "spectating became his enduring pleasure", etc. A Wikipedia article should be written in a formal tone, not like an article in a sports magazine. CodeTalker (talk) 03:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Sports writing calls for a level of interpretation consistent with facts, so guilty as charged. That said thank your for your direction, I will attempt a more formal tone in tomorrow's revision. Dan Proudfoot (talk) 21:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I will work on revising the article accordingly. Dan Proudfoot (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I was attempting a change in title. Bad move, as it turns out. Dan Proudfoot (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Making Wikipedia Pages Affectively

Whenever i make wikipedia articles or edit them its kinda always been hard to see and right in that microsoft visual studios code format. Any tips? 73.193.219.32 (talk) 20:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, have you tried the Wikipedia:VisualEditor? It's a WYSIWYG editor that's more like writing in a word processor like Microsoft Word. It has some limitations, but far simpler than learning Wikitext. qcne (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

More general info than specific to IP OP's question, users of the source editor may find the syntax highlighter helpful (relevant images at WP:HILITE). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

New Article

I'm not sure if I should put the topic's name in the title, or the subject, sorry. I've seen that Fil Henley, a YouTuber and musician who is creating controversy in the music industry and has been written about in European and Australian news and tv, has several mentions by name in other articles, but the links are either not there or go to the X-Factor article because he is mentioned as a contestant. I've assembled some friendly assistants and we're researching to write an article but I have only done edits, I've never submitted a new article. I've been reading your resources, but am still not certain how to start, but I think I can do it. Is there anyone who might be able to mentor or give me some tips? The first question I have is how to register with you that I'd like to create this. Thank you! -- ATXcheshacat (talk) 08:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC) - Cat) ATXcheshacat (talk) 21:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @ATXcheshacat.

Creating a new article is very challenging for new editors (I know you've had your account for more than ten years, but with only four edits, you are still a new editor, I'm afraid). My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

When you read your first article, it will advise you to use the WP:AFC system to create a draft, and then submit your draft for review once you think it is ready.

Absolutely your first step, even before creating a draft, should be to read WP:NCREATIVE, and make certain that Henley meets either one of the specific criteria for creatives, or the general notability criteria - because unless you can demonstrate that, your draft will not be accepted however hard you work on it.

Note that it's fine for several of you to work on a draft, but each person should have their own Wikipedia account: accounts must not be shared. ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so quickly! This request is only meant as a preliminary, I plan to continue practicing by editing more as I'm preparing to do this project. I'm not sure why there's no record of my edits in the past, but it was a long time ago. Because I know I need fresh knowledge and experience, I've been reading and viewing the many resources on WP. I'm expecting this to take time and that's good because this is a developing situation. The context is the use of pitch correction and lip-synching in the music industry. I check regularly, but I wanted to see how to avoid having others duplicate the work, whether there's a space other than this I should register my intent with this subject. If someone has already started, maybe we could work together. -- ATXcheshacat (talk) 08:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)ATXcheshacat (talk) 00:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Articles dodging/evading AfC process.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Good morning. Avid patroller here. I've noticed from time to time users will move articles - often times promotional or autobiographic - out of their sandbox or user page and into mainspace via the move tool.
Many of these are easily dealt with as due to the nature of the article it can be reported to WP:COIN or tagged as CSD/AfD, but what about the cases that aren't?

Let's use this article for example. It was created by a user by being moved from the sandbox, straight into the mainspace. Is there anything specifically reportable/taggable in cases like this, or is it now down to the patroller/reviewer to find problems wrong with it, and tag it as AfD as per usual? I can't find any specific policy or guideline against this practice, but you'd think dodging the entire AfC process is not permitted, no? Synorem (talk) 07:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Synorem. I assume that you are referring to the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of the Articles for Deletion process (AfD). The AfC process is entirely optional for all editors except very new accounts and paid editors. It is recommended but not required for less experienced editors. Highly experienced editors should avoid it because it adds unnecessary work to AfC reviewers. I have written well over 100 new articles and not one has gone through AfC or ever been deleted. I draft them in my sandbox space and move them to main space when they are ready. Cullen328 (talk) 07:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

(ec) I think you meant "skipping the AfC process.

There's nothing wrong in principle with moving an article from userspace to article space. An experienced editor who does not wish to use draft space can certainly create an article in their userspace. Having said that, this is not an experienced user, and at first glance the article has major problems. It can be moved to draft space in case it can be improved enough to warrant an article. Meters (talk) 07:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Dr. Nada Al Mahmood (hc) is a very poorly referenced article written in a promotional tone that violates the Neutral point of view. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Oops, you're both right - wrong acronym. I meant AfC process.

If they're autopatrolled, and have experience - of course; no problem. From a patroller's perspective then, what's the main course of action? Re-draftify it and notify the user? Synorem (talk) 07:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

That said, with all due respect to other users: User:Stylishmuffin is far from experienced, and seems brand new. As per my previous comment: is the course of action just a reminder and re-move back to the user's draftspace of the article? Synorem (talk) 07:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Synorem, you can clean it up and add references. Or, you can draftify it. Or, you can nominate it at WP:AFD if you do a WP:BEFORE search and conclude that the person is not notable. Your choice. Cullen328 (talk) 07:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright, no problem. I see Meters has already cleaned it up & redrafted it since. Thanks for the help! Synorem (talk) 07:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

User: Stylishmuffin is very new and would be well-advised to use AfC. But they are autoconfirmed and are not required to use AfC by policy. If they are a paid editors, AfC would then be required. Cullen328 (talk) 07:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not a paid editor! :) Stylishmuffin (talk) 08:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

My first nominated article for deletion

So I nominated the article about Redout for deletion due to a lack of sources and the fact that the game is so dead that no one will ever report on it again. Did I do it correctly? I never use the source editor, but everything seems to be working. Also, since the article is so niche, should I even expect a response to the deletion discussion? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing yeah, the AfD was done properly, thanks! For future reference, tools like Twinkle can automate the process. I've added a couple of deletion categories, which should attract other editors familiar with the area. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi Thank you. What do the deletion categories do? Like, I saw that you added the Italy category since the developers are from Italy. Are there people who look specifically for Italy-related articles that need to be deleted? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Pretty much. The AfD was added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Italy, a feed of all open Italy-related AfDs, which will attract more editors interested in Italy topics (and who might have found sources in Italian). '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Articles are not deleted just because a product or a company (or a person) does not exist any more. The article in question gets more than 10,000 views a year, which is not nothing. David notMD (talk) 13:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD Sorry for sounding harsh when asking this, but where did you get the idea that Redout or its developers don't exist anymore? The game, its sequel, and all the DLCs for both titles can still be purchased digitally on all major platforms, and 34BigThings still occasionally patches Redout 2. The game just doesn't have any players, but the developers still work on it. Sorry for sounding like an asshole, btw, I just couldn't find a better way to phrase my question. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 13:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing, I'm not DavidMD but I got the same impression from the game is so dead that no one will ever report on it again. If it can be purchased and the devs are still working on it, that sounds like a game that could be the subject of further articles etc. StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

At youe nomination for deletion you wrote "Unless you guys want to keep this forever-incomplete article, then it has to go unless one of you guys can do your magic and find like 15 good sources on the gameplay, development, and reception of the game..." Usually, all Wikipedia asks is for at least three references. David notMD (talk) 04:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Help needed with Wikipedia app

I sign into the Wikipedia app only to be signed out two seconds later. This has happened twice now. I have the right username and password. How do I stay signed in? FleurieElizabeth (talk) 14:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I've no idea, FleurieElizabeth, but since nobody else has yet responded. . . . I've never used it (or wanted to). There do seem to be a lot of questions about how to surmount this or that bug; and I don't remember ever having read anybody's description of how much better the app was after using a browser. When I use Wikipedia on my phone, I use a browser (specifically, Ghostery), more often than not with Wikipedia set in "mobile" mode but not infrequently in "desktop" mode. You may wish to try this. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I definitely will try that. Thank you. FleurieElizabeth (talk) 23:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there a way to make myself a personal bio page?

Is there a way to make myself a personal bio page? If someone clicks on my account, I want them to know some stuff about me. Station24pride (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Station24pride click the person icon and then your username, then click "user page". Edit that page like a normal wikipedia article. That page will be what people see when they click on your name. JarJarInks (talk) 14:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Station24pride (talk) 15:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Station24pride You can click the redlink in your signature, type something and publish. However, that page is meant for typing something about who you are and what you do/think as a Wikipedian. More at WP:UPYES. It's not meant to drive traffic to your social media etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I just mean to tell people about me like what I do, what I like, etc. Station24pride (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

As noted, it's not for posting anything and everything about yourself, just information about you as a Wikipedia editor or user. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Station24pride If you want, take a look at my userpage for example. I kept it short, with two paragraphs about my editing style and four short little paragraphs about myself. Make it yours, maybe add some infoboxes, userboxes, and images. Check out the userpages of other more experienced users for inspiration (and for any helpful templates you can steal!) and formatting. In the end, your userpage isn't really important since most people who visit your page are there to use your talk page so don't worry too much about it. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I just want to do it because I am bored. Am I able to use it for personal info? Or just editing style. Station24pride (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

There's a sort of invisible line you shouldn't cross when making a userpage. Mine only has two paragraphs exclusively about myself, but technically it should have no biographical information. I don't know, enforcement on this whole thing is really spotty and no one really cares, just look at the userpages of established Wikipedians to know for sure what you should add. No one has complained about mine, though, so do whatever you want ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 16:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I appreciate it. Station24pride (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest reading Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors and remove any details that identify you. Theroadislong (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I didn't write town, name, location, etc. Station24pride (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

They're likely talking about your age. Since IP addresses are public on Wikipedia, your age can be used to narrow down who/where you are. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 17:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

As long as Station24pride is logged in while editing, ApteryxRainWing, their IP address is not publicly visible on Wikipedia. Indeed, it's not visible to anyone, other than a tiny number of Wikipedia users; and even those people would need to cite a special reason for seeing it (as described in Wikipedia:CheckUser). -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

oh I thought it was still visible, my bad ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Article being searched don't show

Laheriasarai article is'nt showing when searched on web browsers, instead it show Hindi version of it and Lakhisarai. For why?

can you edit and correct it Maithil hoon (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

No, @Maithil hoon, we can't. Laheriasarai was only recently changed from being a redirect, and search engines haven't caught up with the change. There is nothing Wikipedia can do about it. ColinFine (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

yup, i have changed it from redirect but also edited the whole article, is it just a glitch and will be sorted in few days? and can be visible on search engines? Maithil hoon (talk) 17:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Maithil hoon: The search engines don't update immediately, they need to crawl the page before indexing it. Expect to wait a few days before it's indexed. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 18:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks Maithil hoon (talk) 18:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding to what dudhhr said, and to answer your question, it is not a "glitch" but rather just a way that search engines act. It's related to SEO if you want to learn more about it, and it will indeed be sorted in a few days, so no need to worry, as it will be visible on search engines! Best, L.E. Rainer 18:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I will see, Thanks Maithil hoon (talk) 18:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Maithil hoon. Please read Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. In order to be indexed, a new article must either be 90 days old, or be approved by a new pages patroller, or be created by an editor with the autopatrolled user right. Autopatrolled is limited to highly experienced editors with an established record of creating policy compliant articles. Cullen328 (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Maithil hoon, new Wikipedia pages that have been patrolled are usually picked up very quickly. Laheriasarai is visible now on search engines. Mathglot (talk) 10:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello I'm trying to publish an article about a living athlete. Im not aware of all the requirements and am grateful for the opportunity to learn. What would I need to fix in my sandbox? Macrovoyant (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Macrovoyant, hope you are well! To start,

Your submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

I would encourage you to keep working! You seem to be doing great and have put alot of effort into this draft! I would also suggest learning more about the rules of Wikepedia and other parts as it will help in the creation of this (and future) articles if you decide you want to keep editing!

Please let me know if you have any more questions, I would love to answer them here or on my talk page.

Best, L.E. Rainer 20:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Macrovoyant, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia.

I'm afraid you have made several of the common mistakes that new editors often make, and so your first go at creating an article may well be disappointing for you:

1. You did not start by establishing that Morris meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
2. You don't appear to have a single source that is all three of reliably published, independent, and containing significant coverage of him (see WP:42)
3. You appear to have written the draft Draft:Landon Morris from what you know, rather than from what reliable independent sources say about him.
4. You have uploaded an image to which you don't appear to hold the copyright.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Repeat/Reuse Citation in a single article - How To

I want the quick and easy way to correctly refer to the same external source more than once.

All I can find online is something about "foo."

Thank you!!!!!!!! LBDon (talk) 20:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

You can give the reference a name, and then use that to refer back to it. See WP:REPEATCITE. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Dear Lizard, tx for getting back to me so quickly. I found that earlier, but seemed to recall an easier process I used once but forgot.

That said, I need to learn to do what you advise.

In this convention:

Can you help me understand what is what? I believe that "name" which appears in italics, is the English name I arbitrarily choose to refer to the original citation, but I do not understand what "TEXT OF THE CITATION" means. Is that the entire original hyertext that generated the original citation? LBDon (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it would be the whole original text. So you could use <ref name="cbc">{{cite web|url=https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-regina-working-on-solutions-as-more-encampments-pop-up-in-frigid-temperatures-1.7403970|title=Saskatoon, Regina working on solutions as more encampments pop up in frigid temperatures|publisher=CBC News|date=9 Dec 2024}}</ref>

Then later on to re-use it, just use <ref name="cbc" />. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

If you are using the ref toolbar, see also WP:INTREF3 -- that might be the easier way you used previously? LizardJr8 (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I used the first paragraph of your sandbox as an example, if that helps. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

If you are using WP:visual editor, then you can simply highlight the reference number [1] and copy and paste to your desired location. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

References

How to sign edits

Everyone appears to sign there edits how to do it Hideja (talk) 21:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Use 4 tildes. (four of these ~) (~~~~) Shovel Shenanigans (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hideja If you use the "reply" option to comment on someone's post, the software automatically signs and dates it for you. It is only when using the "edit source" method that you need to add the tildes yourself and in that case you can always "preview" before you "save/publish" to check that it looks OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

How to place my comment

My comments in Afd are getting moved as I appear to place them at the wrong place. How to do them.I place the comment at the top of the page Hideja (talk) 22:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Your comments are being added in the wrong place, new comments should be at the bottom, not the top, which is why they are being moved. - Arjayay (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Improving an article

Talk:Foundations of Real-World Economics#Foundations of Real-World Economics

Anyone interested in this? Janosabel (talk) 22:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are her to advise, not to be authors or co-authors. Contributors to Foundations of Real-World Economics are morelikely to respond the the query your posted on its Talk page. David notMD (talk) 04:58, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Typo alert: Teahouse hosts are her to advise more likely was supposed to be Teahouse hosts are here to advise
_{notice: This message is placed only to ensure clarity.} Thanks! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

How do I put a box that says I speak Surzhyk in my profile

How do I put a box (1) in my profile that says I speak Surzhyk? I can't find a template and I don't know how to make one

(1) one like this {{user Europe}}
Красный Октябрь (talk) 01:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Красный Октябрь. What you're asking about are called Wikipedia:Userboxes, in particular one of the user-language-related templates found in Category:Language user templates. I'm not sure whether there is a specific userbox template for Surzhyk speakers, but there seem to be several for speakers of Ukrainian found at Category:User templates uk and several for speakers of Russian found at Category:User templates ru.. You might want to ask about this at WT:Ukraine, WT:Russia or WT:LANG to see whether a member of one of those WikiProjects is aware of any such template. FWIW, if no such userbox already exists, you could, in principle, create one yourself; you could also just post something like "I speak Surzhyk" on your user page without using a userbox. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I found one thank you! Красный Октябрь (talk) 02:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, just another option. in case Marchjuly did not say, you can also use Babel. Babel is commonly a bit easier to use if you are Multilingual. Thanks! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I use Babel it doesn't have Surzhyk because Surzhyk is a mixed language like Spanglish Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright, that's completely fine! Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Can excel files be uploaded as a valid source?

I am editing a page which currently has no sources verifying its total population count. The latest census published by the Census of India was in 2011, and i would like to add it as a source. However, the information about the total population is given as a download link which opens an Excel sheet. So, i was wondering if we should cite the website or upload the excel document as reference. (Website: https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/41277)

please help me out asap! :) Random8999 (talk) 04:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I suppose that you mean the file PCA_CDB-3214-F-Census.xlsx , which is described and prominently linked to within "PCA: Primary Census Abstract C.D. Block wise, Kerala - District Thiruvananthapuram - 2011". You can link to the latter. Strictly speaking, doing so might not be entirely satisfactory, as you'd be implying that the information came from that web page whereas it instead came from an XLSX file linked to from the web page, but as the point of the web page is to describe the XLSX file, I don't suppose people would object. (For at least two reasons, I don't suggest that you instead link directly to https://censusindia.gov.in/nada/index.php/catalog/41277/download/44908/PCA_CDB-3214-F-Census.xlsx.) And no, please do not attempt to upload the file either to Commons or here. -- Hoary (talk) 04:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

alright thank you very much :) Random8999 (talk) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

No don't upload it, but you could name the xlsx file linked from the web page somewhere in your citation. Web pages can change, and if the data is in the Excel file which is later removed (or changed) on the web page, your citation no longer verifies the content. Another way to handle the situation, is how we generally handle the problem of a web page whose content may change, namely, by adding param |url-archive= pointing to an archival copy of the web page. That will preserve the link to the Excel file at the time of your citation, so verifiability is preserved. Mathglot (talk) 10:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

okay thanks for the reply, is there a way to archive using the visual editor? Random8999 (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Foreign Language Quotes

According to MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE: Quotations from non-English language sources should appear with a translation into English, preferably a modern one. Quotations that are translations should be explicitly distinguished from those that are not. Indicate the original source of a translation (if it is available, and not first published within Wikipedia), and the original language (if that is not clear from the context). It also points to the Wikipedia:Translation for help, but that seems mostly about translating from other Wikipedias. What is actually the policy on translating quotes from sources? How is the translation made explicit? Tinynanorobots (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

If you're looking for an example, this is from the Victor Hugo article:

Je donne cinquante mille francs aux pauvres. Je veux être enterré dans leur corbillard.
Je refuse l'oraison de toutes les Églises. Je demande une prière à toutes les âmes.
Je crois en Dieu.

I leave 50,000 francs to the poor. I wish to be buried in their hearse.
I refuse [funeral] orations from all Churches. I ask [for] a prayer to all souls.
I believe in God.

Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tinynanorobots and Shantavira: You can see another example with a reference [2] in Borsuk's conjecture § Problem. --CiaPan (talk) 09:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Shantavira, not the best example: the original French is incorrect as the second sentence is off. See s:fr:Page:Hugo - Actes et paroles - volume 8.djvu/64. A better example might help, but even that wouldn't answer OP's policy question. Mathglot (talk) 10:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how well the policies are fleshed-out, but it's largely common sense.

(1) Most quotes are going to be similar to the Victor Hugo situation, obviously a quote because the original and the English stand side-by-side. All that is necessary is (a) use a "professional" translation if available, and (b) give references for both the original text and the translation. When I translate Wikipedia articles from other Wikipedias it frequently arises that there is a quote in the original language from which I'm translating, and where the source is in the original language and therefore doesn't translate. In this situation, I probably can't find a "professional" translation, so I translate it myself, and give no reference; I would not do this for a contentious piece of text.

(2) Where the reader may not know the language, state it. For example, 'Dying on the cross, Jesus spoke in Aramaic: "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?", which is to say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"' (attach sources as desired!).

(3) If you come across a situation where it's not clear that the quote is a translation, and you don't intend to give the original language, you may have to add a note, or in parenthesis, to clarify that it's translated. Another trick is to state the language, so as to indicate that it's translated: 'As he invaded Britain, Julius Caesar declared in Latin: "I came, I saw, I conquered!"' Elemimele (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I've found an error in an entry, and the entry is "semi-protected" status.

I've found an error in an entry, and the entry is "semi-protected" status. It's a minor error, but it is mildly irksome. There does not seem to be an "edit" tab. Is it still possible for someone to correct the error? BENOWITZ0512 (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @BENOWITZ0512, and welcome to the Teahouse. Every article has an associated talk page, and you can post your request there. If you use the edit request wizard, it will put it in the right place, and flag your request so that it goes on a list that editors will see who do not necessarily watch that article. ColinFine (talk) 10:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

A possible notable person

Could you please search for a person name Junius W.Yu and please verify the links if this counts as notable since he is a special and only representative for a school that is crucial for it’s achievements namely this link https://www.dlsu.edu.ph/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/contributors-041519.pdf aside from this https://www.philstar.com/sports/2017/05/05/1691143/teng-confirms-applying-pba-draft https://animorepository.dlsu.edu.ph/faculty_research/12754/ https://manilastandard.net/?p=315807 Toadster15 (talk) 11:00, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Junius Yu

@Toadster15 solely based on the sources you linked above, they don't seem like a notable individual, as the sources are not independent or significant coverage. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Could you please check the links since I read some Toadster15 (talk) 11:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

A facebook video of themselves cannot establish notability. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

A possible notable in school

https://www.facebook.com/DLSUBCG/videos/teachers-monthbehind-every-leader-is-a-great-teacher-and-educatorin-commemoratio/427353551305113/ A continuation Toadster15 (talk) 11:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

https://books.google.com.ph/books/about/Legend_of_the_9.html?id=dqKe0AEACAAJ&redir_esc=y He also wrote a book Toadster15 (talk) 11:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Toadster15, please read Wikipedia:Independent sources. Their book cannot be used to establish notability. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Toadster15 What is important to show wikinotability is not just the fact that he wrote a book but that others have read his work and commented on it in reliable published sources, other than any blurb on its cover. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Page block

Hi Yesterday I spent several hours doing some editing on the John the Baptist page. However, all the edits seem to be blocked for something to do with my last edit that I do not understand. I have tried to undo that last edit to no avail and this morning I see a message with a big red exclamation mark that I cannot remove. Can someone please help me to unblock these edits? I'm new to this process and I'm sure I'll get better with time! Many thanks Rendham (talk) 11:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Rendham your edits to John the Baptist were reverted by Darth Stabro for reasons written in their edit summary. I'd suggest asking them on their talk page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

In addition to what was already said, the minor edit checkbox is only for extremely uncontroversial things, such as fixing typos, structure, or reverting obvious vandalism. See WP:MINOR for more. If you're convincing others of a change, edit summaries such as "minor edit" or "small edit" give absolutely no context to other editors about why an edit was made. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm a newbie and I'll get the hang of it. Rendham (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Why won't my translations get published?

Dear Wiki-wizards,

I would kindly request your help with my company's history page.

Colleagues from around the world have provided translations for our Wikipedia page, but I can't manage to get them published. Chinese and German are online, but French and Korean are still stuck and we don't understand why.

Thank you so much for your help. Edwards Vacuum E Serluppens (talk) 11:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@E Serluppens this is the English Wikipedia, and we can't help with projects in other languages. You say Colleagues from around, so please make a paid editing declaration on your user page, thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

There is already a declaration at Talk:Edwards Vacuum. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Also note that every Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one is not necessarily acceptable on another. 331dot (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

dummy edit doesn't work

why is it that when I follow the instructions here my edit doesn't show in history or on my contributions? But it seems to work with other users. How did that user do it? ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 12:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Super ninja2 Difficult to say, since obviously I can't see your contribution! However, I guess that you may have gone into edit mode and not actually changed anything before trying to save/publish with your new edit summary. Note how in the example diff you linked the editor had swapped stuff around, although it made no difference to what readers would see. I suggest you try a few things in your sandbox to practice, where you deliberately don't change anything and when you do, to see the difference. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Note how in the example diff you linked the editor had swapped stuff around, although it made no difference to what readers would see.

how did he do it? ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 13:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC) I see it now. Thx!

If I add an empty line or a space at the end of the article and then published it, is it supposed to appear in article history? cuz that is what I'm having problem with. ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 13:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

White space at the end of a page is always trimmed, so the end result is always the same and nothing changes. Anywhere else should work (some places obviously better or worse than others). -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

what about a white line at the end of a page? ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

By white space I mean whitespace character, so no, any string of whitespace characters, including new lines or lines only containing spaces, at the end of the page won't work because it's always removed and the page is unchanged. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Super ninja2, I make dummy edits by adding a single space at the end of a paragraph and it works fine. They aren't automatically trimmed before saving. If I run into something strange while editing I experiment with it in my sandbox. Try dummy edits in your sandbox and see if you are still seeing the problem. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

What I do is click 'Show changes', if the diff doesn't show a change then I know I need to add the space somewhere else. – 2804:F1...60:D724 (::/32) (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

What add-on does this user use for showing diff (in picture)

What gadget or user script does this user use un the pic to show diff like this? ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 13:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Super ninja2 Looking at the image I doubt there's anything special going on here, just using the visual editor version of the diff and then pasting screenshots from it into some photo editor like Photoshop or paint.net as a way to compact the image and improve readability. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Super ninja2: It's a view from Visual diff view instead of the Inline one. --CiaPan (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

wow, thank you! ive ben around in wikipedia for almost 9 years and never noticed this feature! ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 18:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Super ninja2: Me either, even though I'm here more than twice that long.
I have checked it for the first time now, when searching an answer to your question. CiaPan (talk) 13:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Haha, good to know that I'm not at odd. Thank you for your help! ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 17:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Joe Gatto

The image that I have been trying to add to the info box on Joe Gatto has been reverted a few times as it is a newer picture I am trying to add. Am I in the wrong? WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 15:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @WhyIsThisSoHard575483838, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Like anything else in an article, the choice of photo is something that editors sometimes disagree on. This doesn't mean that one editor is right and the other wrong, just that there is disagreement.

When this happens, please follow WP:BRD, and discuss the matter to try and reach consensus. Do not edit war. ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Never Use Alone

Hi team, this is an organization that was recently mentioned on the public radio program This American Life. It's a hotline for drug users in the USA to call and be matched with a live person who stays on the phone with them as they use, ensuring they're safe and checking in on them. They collect information for emergency services in case the user stops responding. I was curious if it's notable enough to create an article. Unfortunately, most of the research I've done only points to the Never Use Alone website (neverusealone.com), is it 'notable' enough for a page? Mnuber (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mnuber, it would require coverage from several independent reliable sources to be considered notable by Wikipedia standards. Their goals are noble, but it may not be they are notable enough yet for an encyclopedia article on them. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 15:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Mnuber, I just did a Google search on "Never Use Alone" and then restricted the results to "News" (one of the filtering tools at the top of the results page), and it pulled up coverage from a number of news outlets, for example, this one. You'll still need to read the various news articles to check that the discussion of Never Use Alone is significant rather than just named as one example among many, but hopefully this will help your search. FactOrOpinion (talk) 03:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

How to create.

Hello. I am wondering how to create an article. Please answer as soon as possible. Thanks. Polarbear121 (talk) 16:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. It's like asking "how do I build a house" without any experience in land acquisition or construction. It's highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge about how Wikipedia works by using the new user tutorial, and spend much time editing existing articles, to learn more about what is expected of article content.

If you still want to create a new article now, you may use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. You will first want to gather independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the topic you wish to write about that you can summarize. You should also examine the notability criteria to see if the topic meets it. 331dot (talk) 16:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

WE NEED TO MAKE A PAGE THAT YOU CAN VANDALISE

IT WILL DRIVE EVERYONE TO THERE 64.226.155.157 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

The Sandbox is available for test edits, though not "vandalism". And please don't yell. 331dot (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

sorry i had caps lock on. but dosent sandbox get deleted every day 64.226.155.157 (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

It gets wiped multiple times a day ☩ ^{(Babysharkboss2)} 16:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

WHY ARE YOU YELLING JohnR1Roberts (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

i had caps lock on MILATSCHOOL (talk) 16:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

This has been tried in real life (e.g. by providing a blank wall that people are allowed to graffiti), and it doesn't work – the vandalism carries on elswhere just as much.

Part of the reason why people vandalise is that they get a kick out of annoying others and breaking their stuff. See also Mischief.

Sites like Wikipedia are particularly attractive because there's no meaningful real-world consequences – no-one is going to be arrested, or fined, or sent to jail for it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.211.243 (talk) 16:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Depends on the vandalism. Didn't a guy get arrested because he wrote in a page that someone died, minutes before the news was announced to the public? JohnR1Roberts (talk) 16:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes! ☩ ^{(Babysharkboss2)} 16:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

But he didn't get arrested for vandalising Wikipedia as such; he was arrested because his vandalism seemed to show suspicious knowledge of a death (it turned out, by murder) that the police did not discover until 10+ hours after his vandalism. (Further details here.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.211.243 (talk) 19:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

This idea was already proposed years ago. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Sir John Fitzpatrick

Please can you restore this entry and suggest someone who could help me edit it so that it can be published? Shepreth (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Shepreth.

The draft Draft:Sir John Fitzpatrick was deleted for inaction (for the third time) on 28 October. Again, you can ask for it to be undeleted: see WP:REFUND/G13.

It is unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely) that anybody is going to want to work with you on this: you are the one that wants to create the article. The one time that you submitted it for review, it was inadequately sourced - that is a very common outcome for drafts created by editors who have not spent time learning about Wikipedia's requirements before trying to create an article.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not co-author. There are people who offer to create articles for payment, but most of those are scams (either nothing gets done, or the work is so poor that it will not be accepted). If you really want to commit to this being an article you have to have references. David notMD (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Accessing old public admin archives and sockpuppet lists, Questions about Userboxes, and Question about topicons

Hi there,

I have a few quesitons so I greatly appreciate the patience and kindness in advance!

1. How to access old public admin archives and sockpuppet lists, and if that would be possible?

2. Are userboxes that display permissions required?

3. Is there a standard (syntax) way to take template data and then turn that into a topicon?

Best, L.E. Rainer 17:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

1. (Context for old public admin archives and sockpuppet lists) Almost all major noticeboards have a search bar for their archives; it may be harder to see on mobile than on desktop mode. Generally, the best use of time on Wikipedia is to stick to improving content and avoid the noticeboards focused on bad conduct or drama.
2. Userpages themselves, let alone userboxes, are optional.
3. Not to my knowledge.

Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I appreciate it! L.E. Rainer 19:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Luke Elaine Burke 1. There is a list of the worst editors' cases at WP:Long-term abuse Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Mike, you are always very helpful it means a lot! L.E. Rainer 22:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

When is a draft ready for submission?

I’ve been working on my first draft, Draft:Abiotic Factor, for the past 2 days. While I don’t think it’s ready for submission yet, I’m not sure how to know when it will be(or if it even warrants an article at all). In particular, I feel like I’m hitting a roadblock with understaning the explanation for "presumed" at WP:GNG. When would a draft be ready to submit? And secondarily I suppose, could I please get a simpler explanation of "presumed" in the context of A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article[...]

I know I have a few thousand edits under my belt, but writing an article still feels somewhat out of my depth, hence why I'm asking here rather than the help desk. Thanks :) LaffyTaffer (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, LaffyTaffer! My tuppenceworth: a particular subject might completely fulfil the requirements of "significant coverage in [multiple] reliable sources that are independent of the subject", but still be considered too obscure to be hosted on Wikipedia. For example, there might be a great deal of detailed material available about the serial numbers of Blickensderfer No.5 typewriters (and I dearly wish there were, since I own one) but few would agree that Wikipedia should contain all of it, it's an example of What Wikipedia is not.

I don't think you should worry about this 'presumed' clause at GNG, since Wikipedia already has many articles about individual computer games. Take care of the basic requirements (summarised at, for example, WP:42) and you should be fine.

(In case I piqued anyone's interest, there is some information out there, and I've narrowed down the date of my typewriter's manufacture to July-September 1896, but I'd love to pin it down more accurately.)

{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.211.243 (talk) 20:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight, it's much appreciated. With all that in mind, I suppose I should submit and just see about fixing any issues if it gets declined. Thanks again, and best of luck with your typewriter! :) LaffyTaffer (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

If a reviewer declines the draft, you can see if anyone at the Video games WikiProject (which seems fairly active) has any input. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit changes were removed for not being 'constructive'

Hi! I made some additions to the page Filmapalooza that were removed because they 'did not appear constructive'. I filled in all missing years with relevant references so how come these additions were removed? Im new to editing on Wikipedia so I'm sure I missed something but the user who removed the changes didn't really spell it out. SeaSaltyDog (talk) 19:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Invite User:OnlyNano to the talk page of the article to ask why, if the article has previously listed a few of the winners, adding more to that table was reverted? David notMD (talk) 20:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done Fixed, marked wrong edit as unconstructive, thanks for notifying me! I will remove the warning as well. OnlyNano^talk 20:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia CSS customization

Hi! I have two questions about CSS customization for Wikipedia. I have currently customized my view of Wikipedia to set the fonts that are used, but there are a couple of things I would like to change very specifically. My user CSS page is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Leejordan9/global.css for reference.

1. On some Wiktionary pages with Vietnamese or other tonal languages, there are IPA renderings which I would like to change the font for. Specifically the tone representation symbols ˨˩˨ are not rendered right in every font (if it doesn't show properly here it should work: ˨ ˩ ˨) and these are the symbols I would like to change. I want to know if there is a way to set the font for certain Unicode symbols wherever they appear on Wikipedia or Wiktionary etc, and if there is not a way to do this, I would like to know if I can change certain templates' stylings such as {{vi-IPA}} or other IPA templates specifically.
2. I would like to know what CSS category or label is used for the title of Wikipedia pages when you scroll down specifically—at the top of the page, and headings, these titles are all rendered right but I can't find the CSS label for the scrolling header banner with the title of the page on it. Let me know if you don't know what I mean or need clarification—it's a bit tricky to explain!

Thank you for your assistance! Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 20:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Leejordan9, and welcome to the Teahouse. For technical questions (including about the user interface) I suggest asking at WP:VPT rather than here - you're more likely to get people who know the answer. ColinFine (talk) 11:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! Leejordan9 ^talk
_sandbox 19:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Citation question.

I wanted to ad a source to a article, but the source is way further down in the article than where I want to use it. What should I do? The article in question is Motorola_Aura. Caleb's World11 (talk) 20:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

If a citation already appears in an article, you can still use it in other places of the article, the source numbering should automatically update if you're using the visual editor. Thx56 (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Caleb's World11 You may have to give the original reference a name, if it doesn't already have one. See WP:NAMED. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Photo deleted

Hello one photo that I uploaded to wiki was deleted from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Belakavadi_Srinivas_Iyengar.jpeg

The owner has emailed wiki with proof that she is the owner. i can forward you the email Ramanp75 (talk) 21:07, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ramanp75: Such evidence should be sent to permissions-commonswikimedia.org according to the Volunteer Response Team of Wikimedia Commons, which hosts images for Wikipedia. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ramanp75 That upload has been deleted as there was no evidence of the correct licensing. The best place to upload files like that is to Wikimedia Commons, where it can be used on all language editions of Wikipedias. The full instructions about using email to give the correct licensing is at c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team and there is an upload wizard there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Ramanp75. In addition to what others have said, note that "proof that she is the owner" is not enough. You also need proof that the owner has released the image under a suitable licence, such as WP:CC-BY-SA. ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Declined submission on my dad Ken Champion

Hi. I'm trying to get a page for my dad accepted. I've declared my obvious conflict of interest elsewhere. Was just declined on the basis that there's not much written about my dad's work. Which is fair enough, because I didn't mentioned much. There are scores of reviews of his work, including in a file at the Poetry Library in London that I can get to while I'm in town for a couple weeks.

My question is: how best to get reviews cited in the article, in order to establish his notability, without it looking like I'm trying to just quote all these folks saying wonderful things about him? I'm willing to put in the work necessary to back everything up with full citations.

I've asked this same question in the Helpdesk.

Thanks! tobych (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#21:19, 10 December 2024 review of submission by Tobych Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

For Draft:Ken Champion, his CV and his own website are not considered valid references except for some basic information. David notMD (talk) 03:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Help adding Proper (formatting) of citations on Abhishek Nigam

Hi there, on this page, Abhishek Nigam I have added two citations, which are described on the talk page here: Talk:Abhishek Nigam, if someone could please help me or direct me on how to include the citations similar to the site I retrieved the citations from that would be fantastic!

The citations I'm trying to replicate are under == Awards and nominations == of this page

Thank you so much! L.E. Rainer 22:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Article for Deletion.

My article Music City Drum and Bugle Corps has been nominated for deletion for some time now and the appropriate edits have been made. Would an experienced editor review it and remove the threat. Thank You! Rickypriv (talk) 22:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Rickypriv This will be determined by an editor closing the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Music City Drum and Bugle Corps (2nd nomination), where you have already commented. The AfD has been open for 6 days but the standard is to wait at least 7 days for comments. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Decision made to Keep. David notMD (talk) 19:03, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

What Images should I upload?

Hi there, this question is regarding Signpost/2024-11-06/Gallery and about asking for some help on what images I can upload and contribute as I feel like I have (at least a few) images that could be beneficial! They are (should be?) entirely owned by me and are taken with either my iPhone or Camera, and (hopefully) are in public places following proper credit laws.

I think it's important to note that I have already uploaded two images to Wikipedia Commons that I have inserted on my User Page, but I am also not sure if those are done correctly and just want to make sure that everything is in order. Any help would be greatly appreciated (and thank you in advance)!

Best, L.E. Rainer 22:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I did some more research (re-reading and memory) into this and when I tried to upload with UploadWizard (the way I did it the first time) it said that I had to have uploaded something like 50 images to use the tool, so I did it manually instead but that is really time consuming given the amount of these types of images I can and will be submitting.

Is there any way I could get access to UploadWizard on Commons? This might be the wrong place to ask but I think it will be beneficial to both sites. L.E. Rainer 05:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Luke Elaine Burke: You should be able to access commons:Special:UploadWizard. You are also autoconfirmed in Commons. Do you get any error messages when you try to use it? MKFI (talk) 08:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

No it should be good now. Thank you!!!! L.E. Rainer 08:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Citing a Source

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I was helping contribute to the Orange Pi page, and I needed to cite a certain part(YT8531 Ethernet Chip). I found a data sheet by the manufactures, Motorcomm. However, in the first page, I see this Copyright Statement:

"This document is copyright of Motorcomm Electronic Technology Co., Ltd. ("Motorcomm"). All rights reserved. No

company or individual may copy, disseminate, disclose or otherwise distribute any part of this document to any third

party without the written consent of Motorcomm. If any company or individual so does, Motorcomm reserves the right

to hold it or him liable therefor."

I am unsure if this makes this datasheet not stable, and I do not want to risk with Copyright. Can I cite this? A.W (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Alexander Wil, Welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't looked at the specific document you are referring to but here is my advice. The policy for citing copyrighted material can be found at Wikipedia:LINKVIO. It boils down to "Wikipedia is not restricted to linking only to CC BY-SA or open-source content." You therefore may use the datasheet as a citation. Additionally, see WP:PRIMARY and ty to find reliable secondary sources. Cheers, CF-501 Falcon (talk) 23:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for such references. I have cited a datasheet from LCSC (https://www.lcsc.com/datasheet/lcsc_datasheet_2302091130_Motorcomm-YT8531C_C5357044.pdf) for the part needed. I will make sure to use these websites in future edits for both my personal assignments and Wikipedia Entries. A.W (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Alexander Wil: just to be clear, yes, you can cite a source which is in copyright; after all, the vast majority of sources are. What you cannot do is download a copy of that datasheet (say, in PDF), and then upload it to our servers.

Also, you don't need to find a secondary source to support something like technical details or other purely factual, non-contentions information. Arguably, there is no better source for such info than the original supplier. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I thought so. Thank you for further clarification both on what I can and can not do. I will insure that all unknown parts are cited for the Orange Pi page. A.W (talk) 14:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing, Thank you for giving @Alexander Wil clarification. I should have been more clear. Cheers, CF-501 Falcon (talk) 15:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Kiwi Farms

off-topic result from a esoteric web search....

Article Kiwi Farms and Talk:Kiwi Farms are locked

I found:

https://kiwifarms__/

and

https://archive.is/PVr3X of kiwifarms__

I think the Article should be updated

(The following 2 links have triggered a protection filter: kiwifarms )

69.181.17.113 (talk) 22:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

.st is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for São Tomé and Príncipe.

69.181.17.113 (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

The talk page announces: "Editing of this page by new or unregistered users is currently disabled due to vandalism. [...] If you cannot edit this page and you wish to make a change, you can request unprotection, log in, or create an account." Create an account, and, after logging in and making a series of constructive edits over a number of days, you'll be able to edit the talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Would it be nonconstructive to make a list article of US 1-term Presidents?

We already have an article of US Presidents (chronological) and US Presidents (by time in office). Even though the Time In Office will list one-term presidents it should be probably a separate article because there are numerous one-term presidents DENIED of re-election and numerous who DIED not being able to fulfill two terms.

I hope this new list would give insight into the failed campaigns of those who lost re-election and denote those who died. GeromeFordster (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

The article at List of presidents of the United States by time in office might already do this. LizardJr8 (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it would be helpful to have all the one-term presidents denied of a second term in one page where it can explain how they lost. There are a few internet pages floating around but would be an interesting addition. GeromeFordster (talk) 23:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I see that is already at this article, but it would be nice if we went more in-depth with US elections. GeromeFordster (talk) 23:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

This would probably be best achieved with categories; something like:

• Category:Presidents of the United States who served less than one complete term (e.g Ford)
• Category:Presidents of the United States who served one complete term
• Category:Presidents of the United States who served more than one but less than two terms (e.g. Nixon)
• Category:Presidents of the United States who served two complete terms

If done by century, this would mean sub-dividing categories like Category:20th-century presidents of the United States.

Then there is FDR... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Mainspring Energy

I created a page which a user sent to Draft:MainspringEnergy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mainspring_Energy

I have made some minor editorial changes, but nothing of substance. It seems in proper form to me. Are there other changes I should make; how do I then submit it for Review and Publication? Shemsea (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)ShemSea

I expect someone from Teahosue will put a submit tag on the draft. Your refs are URLs. See Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 03:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll check again tomorrow to see if that happened. Shemsea (talk) 04:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Shemsea The tag is now there at Draft:Mainspring Energy but to avoid it being rapidly declined you need to convert the citations into properly-formatted references (see WP:REFB) and, more importantly, add content to convince the reviewer that the company meets the wikinotability requirement by adding some sources meeting our golden rules for sources. A blog, for example, and press releases or direct reference to the company's own website won't help for that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Superplastic: worthy of an article?

The founder Paul Budnitz has a Wikipedia page but the brand itself doesn't? There was a show in the works (https://www.forbes.com/sites/dbloom/2023/02/15/superplastic-creating-janky--guggimon-amazon-series-signs-first-look-deal-raises-20-million/), along with their Ghost Kidz "hacking" Rolling Loud 2023 (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/superplastic-takes-over-rolling-loud-miami-with-first-artist-ghost-kidz-301884090.html) and the Guggimon Fortnite skin. Not to mention they've collabed with the Gorillaz on several occasions Avienby (talk) 06:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Is Superplastic worthy of an article, Avienby? I don't know without investigating. If a draft were based more than trivially on the two sources you link to, I certainly wouldn't promote it to article status. One source derives to a considerable extent from what two people in the company say, the other is from a website that simply regurgitates PR material. Neither source can be expected to be disinterested. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft Editing Quiries

Hey, I have been working upon this draft, The draft is about the List of the episodes of an animated Cartoon series - Chhota Bheem. Here's the draft that I've created- Draft:List of Chhota Bheem Episodes. I'm facing following doubts kindly assist me

While editing my draft, I was looking out for some reliable souces, which I got from google books for the summary part https://books.google.co.in/books?id=VL0eDgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false It's in the form of pages, as the Series productions have published books

Kindly assist and help me will it be a good idea to create this draft or any other feedback! JesusisGreat7 (talk) 09:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@JesusisGreat7 It is always a good idea to create drafts if the topic is supported by references which pass WP:42 (a shorthand for what is required. We want article on verifiably notable topics. The reverse is also true, we have no requirement at all for articles where notability either does not exist or cannot be verified.

Your draft has no references. You need to decide what to do and choose your own path. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 01:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

How to create a Wikipedia bot

How to create a Wikipedia bot? Thank you. Programmer HWiki89 (talk) 10:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Programmer HWiki89 see WP:BOT. Note that you generally need more experience before doing advanced things like this. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

For example, how? Developer experience or Wikipedians! Thank u. Happy editing Programmer HWiki89 (talk) 11:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

You need to be familiar with how Wikipedia works before writing software that is capable of blowing everything up. Your account is only two days old and has made less than 10 edits, so I'd highly recommend working on something else first. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank! Programmer HWiki89 (talk) 12:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Well you obviously need to know how to make the bot, so developing experience would be good. Like @CanonNi said, you should also hang around for a few months and familiarize yourself with the rules and etiquette of Wikipedia. I've been here a few months and I'm still learning new rules so it may take a while. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll get to know you! Thank you. Happy editing! Programmer HWiki89 (talk) 13:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:BOT, there is a bot approval group. David notMD (talk) 14:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Good Programmer HWiki89 (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS question

If Wikipedia is not a newspaper per WP:NOTNEWS, then why are there articles about ongoing events? Some events such as wars I understand since we cannot predict when they will end, but for things like hurricanes, there is almost always an article made before the storm even dissipates that gets updated as information comes out. For these smaller-scale events, shouldn't articles not be made until the event is over? ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing NOTNEWS is more of a clarification of what should and should not be covered on Wikipedia. Ultimately, if an article is created and later turns out to be non-notable, it can be merged with other articles or simply gotten rid of. A good example of this would be the difference between why Storm Darragh and Storm Arwen were notable (red weather warnings are rare in our neck of the woods), while Storm Bert and Storm Aileen were merged into windstorm season articles. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing: NOTNEWS (and similarly WP:RECENT and WP:NOTEVERYTHING), applies more to how a Wikipedia article is expected to be written than whether it should be written; the latter is covered by WP:NOTABILITY. So, if an ongoing event is considered to be Wikipedia notable per WP:NEVENT so that a stand-up article to be written about it, it should be written in a formal encyclopedic style and not in the journalistic style in which many newspaper articles typically are written. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

How far do original research and citation policies really go?

A few days ago, I nominated Redout for deletion due to lack of sources surrounding gameplay, development, and reception and people overwhelmingly voted to keep it. Because of this, I wonder about something. How far do the original research and citation policies really go? For example, if I were improving the gameplay section for Redout, WP:BLUE says I could add easily verifiable information without a citation. In Redout's case, couldn't I add a sentence along the lines of "In Redout, your ship has the ability to strafe sideways, which can be combined with steering to allow the player to drift". It's easily verifiable since it is literally the first thing you are taught aside from accelerating. I wouldn't say its common knowledge, but it still is such an easy thing to verify. Maybe this wasn't the best example, but basically I just want to know why we need to cite sources for fundamental mechanics in video games that can be verified by playing the game for thirty seconds. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 13:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I believe you can cite primary sources for gameplay, like the developer's website, the game's manual, or the game itself. Industrial Insect (talk) 15:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

David notMD said it's fine to write a gameplay or plot section without citations since those types of things can be verified by playing the game itself, but citations are still necessary for general information (release dates, developers, DLC, etc.) or critic reception. I rewrote the entire gameplay and plot sections for the Redout article. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@User:ApteryxRainWing You might wish to refer to WP:PRIMARY and WP:SELFPUB in order to increase your policy knowledge. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

'Plot' is almost universally uncited because it's understood by default that all of the information presented could be reproduced simply by consuming a piece of media. Moreover, the sources are almost always going to be primary to that piece of media because few if any pieces of media have their plots covered beat-for-beat in a coherent, linear manner by reliable, independent sources. (Meanwhile, actually citing this information would absolutely clog up the 'References' section with these trivial citations.) Video games suffer from an additional issue that books and even movies tend not to have too, which is that expressing the plot strictly via citations can be extremely challenging depending on how dialogue-heavy the game is. With all this in mind, citations are generally the exception, not the norm.

'Gameplay' is a bit different and a bit trickier. Maybe I'll write an essay about this someday if someone hasn't yet, but games journalism outlets very often do cover a wide variety of the most important gameplay elements. The manual will similarly generally give more focus to the most important gameplay elements. Just writing untethered from those, an editor can get bogged down in meticulous detail not necessary for a general understanding of the gameplay (often lumped in as WP:CRUFT). Finally, the citations – unlike for 'Plot' – tend not to be to the media itself, and thus I as a reader don't have to directly engage with the media to verify what you've written. Thus, I would say that citations for 'Gameplay' are equivocal: you don't need them per se, but like at Ratchet & Clank, I would say it's useful for keeping yourself in line while writing and does at least help verifiability as a reader.

TL;DR: Plot, basically never with rare exceptions. Gameplay, not strictly necessary but can keep you from going off-track and can still be useful to the reader for verifiability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

So Redout is a bit of a special case. The story and history of the world is told as you progress through the game, since the lore is told through ship and track descriptions. As for its gameplay, game journalists often fail to properly explain games like Redout. When I rewrote the gameplay section, I tried to include only the most important information (because Wikipedia is not a strategy guide, otherwise I would be screaming "strafe before steer" from the highest mountaintop) that would give someone a general idea of the gameplay without going too in-depth. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 12:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject

How to active any WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Jharkhand and other state's WikiProject? Kindly help me. Taabii (talk) 13:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Taabii We need a little more information to understand your request. What, as exact'y as you are able to say, do you wish to do? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 00:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Taabii. Do you mean "How do I make a WikiProject active again"? I imagine, Timtrent, that Taabii is here because the message states: "Consider looking for related projects for help or ask at the Teahouse." If I were you, Taabii, I would go to the talk page for WikiProject India and ask if anyone would like to join you in collaboratively improving and discussing articles related to Jharkhand. A WikiProject is believed to be inactive when there is no or very little collaborative activity on a WikiProject. Also pinging Tinucherian to see if they may want to/be able to assist in getting the project active again. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27 You got it, Thanks. I'll ask at Wikiproject India's talkpage. — Taabii (talk) 05:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

"Global" vs "simple" username change request

Hello Teahouse,

Liz very wisely suggested that I change my username (given some concerns in the areas I currently edit in), so I've been going through the Changing username page.

I notice that there's a "global user account rename request", and a "simple account rename request". Does that imply the second option is only local? So, if I do the second option, does it mean the accounts on other Wikipedia versions (and commons, and the like) that have already been created and are associated with this name won't be changed?

I ask because I may want to edit Wikipedia in other languages in the future, in which case I'd obviously prefer a consistent username. Cheers, LaughingManiac (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@LaughingManiac As far as I can tell from your global contributions, you have never edited elsewhere than en:Wikipedia. So, although an account here is valid elsewhere, I think you can take the "simple" route. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, so you're saying that since no edits can be traced to this account elsewhere, it doesn't matter if the username technically still exists on other wikis, since no one can see anything from it?

But then, my question is if I happen to want to edit elsewhere. For instance, I'm a registered user over on the French wiki currently (due to visiting while logged-in). It is possible I'd want to edit there in the future. So would the "simple" username change affect future edits on other wiki projects like that one, or would I need to go through the process locally again? LaughingManiac (talk) 14:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Global simply indicates that your username across all Wikimedia projects will be changed. Simple only changes the username for the wikimedia project you are on. (eg, if I open the renaming page on the Spanish Wikipedia, and select simple, my username on only the spanish wikipedia will change. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Right, so based on that confirmation, I ended up using global in case I want to edit other projects with this new account name, in the future.

Thanks for your help, everyone! NewBorders (talk) 18:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

3RR

How do I report someone who just broke the three-revert rule? Is the noticeboard the only way or is there any other way? Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Underdwarf58 I suggest that you start by communicating with that editor either on their Talk Page or on the Talk Page of the article in question. They may be a new editor who is unfamiliar with our guidance. Avoid drama if possible! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello! It does feel a bit embarrasing to be asking a question on the Teahouse with me myself being a teahouse host, but it is still important. I noticed when a reviewer declined my draft, Draft:Fuller GT Magnet Elementary, A comment was placed on the article. Doesn't meet WP:NSCHOOL is what was written in the comment. I have two primary questions.
1. If I add more awards/merits the school has achieved, can that determine notability?
2. Can I use a Wikimedia commons image as a source? Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 14:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Cooldudeseven7.

For 1: I don't see any mention of the word "merit" on the page you cited, and the only mentions of the word "award" are in explaining things that don't contribute to establishing notability. I therefore don't see how you might conclude that awards or merits would be relevant. (Of course, if you can find an independent report about such an award or merit, that contains significant coverate of the school, then that would help).

For 2: No. Anything you cite as a referece must be reliably published, even an image. If the image was published by a reliable source, you could cite it from its publication, not from Commons (though a link to an accessible copy at Commons might then be appropriate). Furthermore, images are rarely useful as cited sources: perhaps for a claim that person A was present at event B, and that kind of thing. ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. So, even If I were able to find a reliable claim of an award, it can't establish notability? Is there any other actions you would recommend? Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Review Draft Villa Fraccaroli

Dear Wikipedia editors,

We are working on a project for our university for which we created a Wikipedia draft page. We’ve recently submitted the draft of our Wikipedia page for review, and we would greatly appreciate your input to help ensure it meets Wikipedia’s guidelines. We’re looking for feedback regarding whether the page is suitable for approval or if it requires further revisions.

You can access the draft for review at the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Villa_Fraccaroli

We would be grateful for your insights and an evaluation of whether the page is ready for approval or requires further modifications.

Thank you for your time and thoughtful consideration.

Kind regards,

Team Villa Fraccaroli

@LIUCgiuli27, Liucmicol01, RiccardoD.LIUC, LIUCstampa1, Lu13.plati, and Su13.koroma: LIUCAmanjot1 (talk) 14:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi! If you are a student at the university, it would be a Conflict of interest. Conflict of interest articles mean that the creator or a major contributer is significantly/closely associated with the subject. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 16:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

You've submitted it through AFC which means it's already in a queue awaiting review. Check the notice on the top of your draft page for more details. Your reviewer will address any concerns keeping it from publication.

I don't think a COI declaration is needed as this is just an assignment to create an article, but submitting through AFC would have been the right way to go anyways. aquarium substrate^talk 17:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Too many images of the villa and too much content that has nothing to do with the villa, such as biodiversity of the region, and the entire Surroundings section. David notMD (talk) 17:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Klothild de Baar

I edited my Klothild de Baar page and now I can't find it. You transferred it from Teahouse to Sandbox, where I added the references to all statements. This is still in draft. How can I get it uploaded now? Thank you. Katharina Lyon-Villiger (talk) 14:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

You have transferred this from Teahouse to Sandbox or vice versa. Thank you. I have now added all the edits and references you suggested in the draft. How do I now upload it and how do I add pictures? Thank you. Katharina Lyon-Villiger (talk) 15:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Katharina Lyon-Villiger, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Your draft is at User:Katharina Lyon-Villiger/sandbox.

Because your references are all bare URLs it is irksome to look through them, and see which, if any, are suitable sources for a Wikipedia article. Certainly nothing user-defined (like Goodreads) or databases, or booksearches, should be there.

An article should be a summary of at least three reliably published independent sources that talk at some length about the subject of the article (here, the writer) and very little more. A selected bibliography may be included - preferably, of works which have been discussed by independent sommentators; but very little else.

Unfortunately, like many new editors, you have plunged straight into the challenging task of creating an article (made even more challenging by your COI - thank you for disclosing that) before they have spent any time learning how Wikipedi works.

Your draft is three short paragraphs about the writer, and screeds of lists of works. This is not what an encyclopaedia article should look like.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

The Sourcing of Wikipedia

When editing English, Simple English or other Wikipedia systems, sometimes sources end up being called into question or classified not suitable for Wikipedia. Examples of that include company pages and weather articles into which I was providing sources I thought were strong, reliable and appropriate. Found out, however, the sources weren't right or didn't support the information posted on the English and Simple English Wikipedia site areas. Can anybody please clarify as to how this could actually happen? Angela Kate Maureen Pears 15:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Tropical Storm Angela. The Reliable Sources Noticeboard exists to discuss the reliability of sources through consensus for the En Wikipedia at least. I don't edit the Simple English Wikipedia though, so I don't have an answer for that. TheWikiToby (talk) 15:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Tropical Storm Angela, and welcome to the Teahouse. I will add to TheWikiToby's reply to note that, while reliability is a crucial property of almost all sources, there are two others which are extremely important. One is indepedence: while a small number of non-independent sources may be used for certain kinds of information, most sources (and all the sources which are to establish notability) must be wholly independent of the subject. The third is significant coverage: again, it is occasionally appropriate to cite a reliable source which verifies only a single piece of information about the subject, but notabiliy must be based on several sources which have significant coverage of the subject. Please see WP:42.

(Like TheWikiToby, I can only answer for English Wikipedia. I know nothing of the policies of Simple Wikipedai). ColinFine (talk) 16:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Appeal of a Block

Two questions: 1) I now understand I can't edit my own page Henry David Abraham, but how do I add the publication of my memoir, After the Genocides: Immigration, Education, and the Prevention of Nuclear War, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2024. 2) I tried to ask on Talk, but it seems I am blocked from all aspects of Wiki but this one. Please help. Sincerely, Henry David Abraham Henry Abraham MD (talk) 16:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi. If you can edit this page, you should be able to edit the article talk page. There are no blocks on your account that would prevent it. You could try using the edit request wizard. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Henry Abraham MD. As far as I can tell, you are not blocked, and neither Henry David Abraham nor Talk:Henry David Abraham is protected, so you should be able to post a request there. If you use the edit request wizard, it will put your request on a list of requests waiting for attention.

If I were responding to such a request, I would be asking for an independent source discussing that book before adding it to the article. Please understand that Henry David Abraham is not in any sense your article. It is (or should be) a summary of what indepedent commentators have reliably published about you, and very little else. ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I discussed it in a broadcast interview on NPR. See interview on the Shelly Irwin Show, WGVU Radio,

https://www.wgvunews.org/the-shelley-irwin-show/2024-10-24/after-the-genocides, NPR, 24 Oct 2024.

Does that count?

Thanks,

Henry David Abraham Henry Abraham MD (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Interviews are not considered to be independent coverage. Independent coverage would be sources that were produced without your participation. MrOllie (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

If the book receives some independent reviews or press coverage, those would provide appropriate sources for editors to cite when considering inclusion of the book ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Is it time to create an article for Luigi Mangione?

Is it time to create an article for Luigi Mangione?

A page for Dylann Roof was created on June 18, 2015, the day after the Charleston Church Shooting and his arrest.

As of today, Wikipedia is not allowing the creation of a Luigi Mangione page, but is instead diverting to the Killing of Brian Thompson page. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

This is an issue best discussed at Talk:Killing of Brian Thompson or maybe Talk:Luigi Mangione. I suggest that you review WP:BLP1E first. It could be that creating an article about Roof was inappropriate at the time(see other stuff exists). 331dot (talk) 16:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

OK thanks ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 16:58, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Referencing

How can I reference the sources in my entry of article? Talha Bin Hakim (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

First, new-to-Wikipedia accounts are strongly advised to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article via the WP:YFA process. Second, there is no evidence of any activity by your account other than this Teahouse question. Did you create something that was Speedy Deleted? Third, see WP:42 and Help:Referencing for beginners for info on referencing. David notMD (talk) 17:58, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

How to make subsections

How do you create a subsection with the dropdown button like for example on the ones on this article you can click on "history" or "openness" or "policies and content" Красный Октябрь (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Sections and subsections are put into the Contents tab automatically. Help:Section details how to create them. Perception312 (talk) 22:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I found the information for it Красный Октябрь (talk) 12:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up to How can you find a different way to get the latest version

--Amogelang22 (talk) 19:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Amogelang22 You will need to phrase your question much more clearly to get an answer. Different to what? Latest version of what? Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit Help

Hello, I'm attempting to add a section to Rep. Michelle Steel's wikipedia page, but it is protected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Steel

How can I edit? C4f43jk45j (talk) 22:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

It's noted on the Talk:Michelle_Steel page under Warning: active arbitration remedies :

• You must be logged-in to an autoconfirmed or confirmed account (usually granted automatically to accounts with 10 edits and an age of 4 days)

Your account was just created today, and you have no other edit activity other than this post. The confusing username you chose might indicate it is a throwaway account used for vandalism or sockpuppetry. Alegh (talk) 22:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Actually, for this article, protection prohibits edits unless more than 30 days and 500 edits. You can post a request on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

This specific article requires Extended Confirmed permissions. You must be logged into an account that is 30 days old with 500 edits. However, based on your random jumble of characters in your username and the fact you have no other edits, this may be an account used only for vandalism. If my assumption is incorrect, you may post a request with the edit you wish to be made on the talk page of the article. Ali Beary _{(talk2me!) (stalk me?!)} 13:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

HELP! References not working!

I'm trying to edit the Restless legs syndrome page under Treatment and Medication I added a paragraph about the use of opioids and Buprenorphine but the citations aren't cooperating. Can someone please hel me?! Bookminder (talk) 23:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bookminder I'm not sure what you're referring to - the only recent edit is by an IP, and there doesn't seem to be a problem with the references. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I might add, Bookminder, as you're a bit new to Wikipedia: I haven't seen your edits to restless legs syndrome yet since they clearly didn't go through, but I highly suggest that you read WP:MEDRS before trying to contribute to articles on medical subjects. It's considerably stricter than our general guideline on reliable sources due to the high risk that medical misinformation can legitimately hurt or even kill people. The edits you tried to publish may have already abided by it, but it's something I think anyone trying to edit in this domain should at least be somewhat familiar with. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

At View history I also see no evidence of an added paragraph or it being deleted. Did you not press the Publish changes button at the bottom? David notMD (talk) 16:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Bookminder. As the fellows above me have said, it doesn't appear like you actually published the edit for us to see. TheWikiToby (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate message on my talk page

I got this message on my talk page (User_talk:Interstellarity#Hail_the_light_🔥). I don't believe that message was appropriate for Wikipedia especially since they are trying to link outside Wikipedia. I am wondering what I should do about it. Should I ignore it? Should I report it to admins? What do you recommend I do? Interstellarity (talk) 01:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

This is definitely an instance of spam, and it definitely isn't appropriate. They've done this two other places too, and I really don't know how they landed on your username for this. Thankfully it seems on the surface like a light-hearted joke, but I imagine they'll be blocked once one of the several administrators who usually hang around here see this, because it's still disruptive spam. For now, I might just remove it from your talk page if you want or just leave it up as the strange little anomaly it is. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: You're free to remove content from your user talk page as long as you follow WP:BLANKING; however, if you want it hidden in your user talk page's page history, you will need to ask an administrator to do that. I don't think WP:SUPPRESS is needed here, but you could ask an admin to WP:REVDEL it if it bothers you knowing it's in your page history. As for what to do about the account who added the post, you could (1) do nothing, (2) do one of the things suggested in WP:SPAM#Warning spammers or (3) go straight to one of the administrator noticeboards. Each person responds differently, but perhaps either (1) or (2) would suffice in this case, and (3) is only needed if they come back a do it again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

i do think a revdel might be needed. it contained some personal info, so... cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I have removed it as not to encourage addition of more spam links. I don't think it is a joke; there are dedicated spambots crawling the web to add spam links to wiki websites. If they continue adding those links, I recommend reporting it to WP:AIV. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Publishing, after drafting

It had been some years since I'd started an article from scratch, and my later WR contributions have been additions of information, wording improvements, discussions on talk pages (etc) — pertaining to existing articles. Publishing procedures have changed.

Over six weeks or so, I developed a draft of a new article. Partway through, I'd received a Comment saying that the tone needed to be more flat and dry. So I worked toward that. In my latest drafts, I had shortened the article as well. This is what I'd like to publish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Richard_Raymond_(publisher)&oldid=1262549293

How should I go about it? Advice will be much appreciated.Joel Russ (talk) 01:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Joel Russ. Since you have moved it to main space, there is nothing you need to do to it. You can carry on improving it, as can anybody else.

However, I think you should work at improving your sources. I'm not sure what ref 10 ("The introduction to "The Briarpatch Book"") is, but I'm pretty sure that it is not a reliable source, and so, should not be cited, period. The "History of the Briarpatch" is not published by the Wayback machine, but is a self-published source by the Briarpatch community, and the entry should say this (see Template:cite web#Using "archive-url" and "archive-date" (and optionally "url-status") for webpages that have been archived). As far as I can see, you have no independent sources for the existence of Briarpatch, so I question whether it is sufficiently notable to be included in an article about Raymond.

The other thing that I suggest you do is to add him to the disambiguation page Richard Raymond. ColinFine (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

First, thanks so much for your reply. As to my reference #10, I'd like to leave it in place for the time being, if possible. The writer (Ms Bedi) directly copied a quote from the book. A problem I've faced is that, locally, I can't get my hands on a copy of Michael Phillips' The Birarpatch Book (ISBN10: 0912078634). True, my issue would be resolved if I can purchase a copy from a used-book seller.

Independent sources have certainly attested to the existence of the Briatpatch Network (established to support small businesses), e.g. Kirk's book, also page 306 of The Next Whole Earth Catalog, and elsewhere.

Your replacement contents web-template contents for reference #12 is a very helpful item. So thanks for that, and for the generosity of your entire response.Joel Russ (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Why is my addition of a spouse for Larry Ellison removed?

court records made public by policy indicate a 2020 divorce between Larry Ellison and Nikita Kahn Ellison. Thus they were married and thus she was spouse #5. https://unicourt.com/case/ca-sm-lawrence-j-ellison-vs-nikita-k-ellison-752115#

Yet it's removed. The divorce date is certain see records. Polymestor 17 (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. So if I used a sports story that would be ok? See https://frontofficesports.com/larry-ellison-michigan-jolin-nil-underwood/

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mauricio-umansky-mystery-woman-nikita-000000837.html

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-billionaire-larry-ellison-hosted-220000432.html

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3271861/who-nikita-kahn-model-spotted-smooching-mauricio-umansky-buying-beverly-hills-star-has-moved-his

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mauricio-umansky-mystery-woman-nikita-000000837.html

https://frontofficesports.com/larry-ellison-michigan-nil-bryce-underwood/

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/nikita-kahn-larry-ellison

69.181.17.113 (talk) 03:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Those articles do not dominate court records. If there is a record of a divorce in 2020, Kahn and Ellison were married. She is wife #5. Clearly on the sky, but it's public record. I don't know what editor motives are for using "reportedly" sources over a court records but I am sure Ellison is pleased. Polymestor 17 (talk) 04:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Polymestor 17 The reason is the WP:BLPPRIMARY portion of the Biographies of Living Persons policy: Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. —C.Fred (talk) 04:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks sorry will use sports news story https://frontofficesports.com/larry-ellison-michigan-jolin-nil-underwood/ Polymestor 17 (talk) 13:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Antonio Monda

Antonio Monda is almost entirely written by contributors that have only contributed to that article. I think it needs tagging or hat-notes or scrutiny. 69.181.17.113 (talk) 03:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The users would be WP:SPAs (single purpose accounts). Perhaps there is a conflict of interest, or paid editing. Check if there is promotion or whitewashing. Tagging is only needed if there looks to be a problem. Read the essay for more detail on how to cope with a SPA. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Apart from the SPA question, the article is seriously under-referenced: only 4 sources and 5 citations in total, and none in Sections 1–4 or 7–10. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.211.243 (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Mathematics

I want to learn pure maths,so,I need your help. If you can , I'm very grateful to you . 41.113.204.186 (talk) 05:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. Read Mathematics and whatever related articles that interest you. You can ask specific questions at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics. Cullen328 (talk) 05:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

If you're interested in learning the very fundamentals of how to reason about axioms and proofs, I can't disagree with Moritz at the Math Stack Exchange who suggests "How to Prove It: A Structured Approach" by Velleman. I also recommend reading a recently featured Wikipedia article algebra, as algebraic structures are a core component of pure math. But yes, the reference desk is liable to be a more useful source of information here. (only answering in earnest as a fun novelty). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 05:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

New article - trying to understand notability

I am really confused about new articles and notability. I picked some well known people (Rowlett and Steckles) and researched them using independent sources and avoiding their own websites. The first has been rejected. The rejection links to academic notability criteria. This person is an academic, but I'm not arguing their research is notable or that they have won lots of awards, etc. I cited several newspaper articles and several in-depth interviews and I don't know why this isn't enough, especially compared to other people in UK maths that I can find Wikipedia pages for. I try to explain in reply to the rejection, but I'm not sure if that gets read. Any advice welcome! Maths11 (talk) 07:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The reviewer may not have seen your question–I suggest dropping a note on their user talk page. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:44, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Your drafts were Declined (Rejected is more severe). The two reviewers posted standardized wording for their reasons for the decision). You can still ask for more feedback on their Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?from=de&to=en&campaign=undefined&page=Campusnetze

I'm trying to translate my article from german to english, but my account is not experienced enough to do that. What can I do now (instead of translating for my own and manually)?

Translate page - Wikipedia Qlari (talk) 09:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

You may create and submit a draft via the Article Wizard. Be aware that you will need to make sure that the article meets the requirements of the English Wikipedia, which are probably different than those of the German Wikipedia, which has its own policies. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

AIR Media-Tech

Hello. I need help with an article about the company AIR Media-Tech. I tried to create this article earlier, but the moderation considered it too promotional. Now I’ve rewritten it and tried to make it more neutral. Could I get feedback on it? What are the chances of publication, and is there anything else I need to change? Thank you very much in advance for your help! Draft:AIR Media-Tech Yuliya Kravchenko 2018 (talk) 10:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Yuliya Kravchenko 2018, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you are having an experience which is very common among new editors who plunge into the challenging task of creating a new article before spending time learning how Wikipedia works. (I'm aware that you created your account six years ago, but you don't seem to have made any edits until recently).

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

It is tiresome evaluating your sources, because you have presented them as bare URLs, which means that the useful information - publication, date, title - are not immediately apparent: please see WP:REFB. But I can see straight away that several are not appropriate: Crunchbase is not regarded as a reliable source, which means it should never be cited (see WP:CRUNCHBASE; anything from newswire, (or elsewhere if based on press releases) is of very limited value, because it is not independent.

A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what independent commentators have published about a subject, and very little else. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Please see WP:42 for a discussion of the criteria that most cited sources should meet. ColinFine (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

How can I delete my account?

How can I delete my account? Francis Balaton (talk) 11:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Francis Balaton Wikipedia accounts cannot be deleted, but since this is your only edit to Wikipedia you can just abandon the account and never use it again. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Account deletion is something you can't do, but since this is your only edit, I see no reason why you can't just log out and leave the account behind. Was there a specific reason behind you wanting the account deleted, or do you just not want the account? Ali Beary (talk2me!) 13:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

You can vanish if you don't want your current username visible. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

on doing spi stuff after a case is closed

say, as a purely hypothetical scenario, that i open a sockpuppet investigation on someone, and it ends with multiple socks being found and blocked. let's call this theoretical sock leratokgang, for no particular reason

say, then, that the case is closed, but an ip editor with similar editing patterns pops up between the case's closure and archival. i'm not really good at this ip thing, so i'll just mash some buttons and say it's something like 197.185.143.81

in such an unlikely case, what should be done? should the case be manually reopened to have a look at the ip, should a new case be opened under that investigation's page, or is there another option i'm missing?

(jokes aside, i am a little iffy on outright assuming the ip's a sock, it could be something like a upe or cir pandemic, but you never know...) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

nvm the ip got blocked for block evasion cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

If the investigation is already closed, you should start a new report below. If you just add to a report that's already closed, it still shows up as closed in the list of cases, and is likely to be archived without anyone noticing that you added to it. But if it's very obvious then just contacting the clerk/admin who closed the report is probably a lot faster. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

ah, thanks

while it is a relatively obvious case, there's also the chance that i missed like 5 more socks (again), so there's that too. guess it's off to checking what said socks have done to see if any more disruption is occurring, and deal with it accordingly. i really hope re-reporting someone with twinkle works for adding additional spi cases, because things might get really embarrassing if it doesn't cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

How to proceed with editing semi-protected page?

Hello, I'd like to edit page Hyperlink, and I have found that it is semi-protected page and I can't edit it. What is right pprocedure to proceed with editing? MarsJson (talk) 13:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

You have 12 edits and your account is almost a year old. I believe that you have the ability to edit it now. I assume when you wrote this, you didn't have autoconfirmed permissions yet, but you do now. Happy editing! Ali Beary _{(talk2me!) (stalk me?!)} 13:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much!

I believe number of edits is different for different segments (languages) of Wikipedia. I have much more edits for articles in my native language. MarsJson (talk) 16:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

making a page

so I'm trying to make a page for a soccer team that I play from named Susa Fc, and I would wanna know how to request it to be done by somebody else or how to do it myself Nb998003293 (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Nb998003293, and welcome to the teahouse, and to Wikipedia.

I have several answers, but they're probably not going to be answers that you like.

First, most sports teams round the world do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and articles about them are not possible. (If they are notable, somebody has probably already written an article - but there could be exceptions).

Secondly, if you want an article created, by far the most promising way to do this is to do it yourself. We are all volunteers, and work on what we choose: why should anybody put in the work on your pet project? (If anybody approaches you offering to do so for money, do not on any account take them up on their offer. They are almost certainly scammers - see WP:SCAM).

Thirdly, writing an article is a much more challenging task for a new editors than it appears. Editors who try it before they are ready often have a disappointing and frustrating experience. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Fourthly, writing an article is even harder when you have a conflict of interest - not forbidden, and not impossible, but it is that much harder to recognise whether you are writing in a neutral way or not.

You should probably also look at an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

All in all, I would advise you to forget about this idea. If you want to contribute to this wonderful collaborative project, find some subjects you are interested in, and start making little improvements to existing articles as you learn. But if your primary purpose is telling the world about your team (or "promoting it", as we call that), then please find somewhere other than Wikipedia to do it. ColinFine (talk) 14:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Everything @ColinFine said is completely correct. I am actually making my first article right now and it is really hard. Aside from having to work with my habit of writing fancruft, I am also on a school computer right now so sources are hard to find with the web filter in my way. It takes a lot of time to make a good article and I suggest hanging around for a few months improving other articles before you make your own. And again, remember three golden rules: WP:NPOV, WP:NOTABILITY, and WP:COI ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 14:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

List formatting

Hey Teahouse, I was looking over the article List of private contractor deaths in Afghanistan. The article currently just has everything as a bullet point. Would a table be helpful? I understand it would be a tedious task as there are over 100 names. Any feedback would be helpful. Example:

Name	Date	Nationality	Details
N/A	February 8	Pakistan	Two engineers were killed in an ambush in Ghazni province.
N/A	November 8	India	An telecommunications engineer was shot and killed. He was working for the Afghan Wireless Company.

Thank you, CF-501 Falcon (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @CF-501 Falcon! Have a look at WP:WHENTABLE - it's suggesting that an important consideration is whether the information will be more clearly conveyed in a table as compared to a list, and also whether being able to sort the information would be useful.

It seems to me that the things people would be most likely to sort would be the deceased's nationality and the year of their death, both of which are already visible in the list's page. That being said, having the nationality info on the side looks a bit clunky and it looks as though it has to be manually updated each time a new death is recorded - that seems like it could easily run the risk of becoming out of sync with the list. My view is that a table would convey the information more clearly and would certainly make it easy to see any links between, for example, nationality and year of death. If you think so too, you could WP:BEBOLD and go for it or suggest it on the talk page to see if you get any other feedback there. Happy editing! :) StartGrammarTime (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding a Wikipedia page about a hip hop duo

Hello, I'm trying to add a Wikipedia page about the Hip-hop duo THOTTWAT, who was founded by A$AP Rocky. Do you know the results and can you teach me how to do that? Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I can't see a draft in your edit history. Can you link to it? 331dot (talk) 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I got it Thottwat. Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I can find no draft by that name. Have you clicked "publish changes" yet? 331dot (talk) 16:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. Mr.Shadow514 (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

What does "In progress" (code { {In process} } ) mean?

I tried searching Help for an explanation. Can someone point me to it, and let me know how to find out on my own next time? Tagus (talk) 16:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Tagus. {{in process}} (you can read a little more here) creates this --->  In progress <--- You can search for most templates by typing Template:Name (replacing Name with the name of the template) in the search bar. TheWikiToby (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, now I know.Tagus (talk) 19:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

As TheWikiToby might have explained, if you have the name of a template, such as Example, you only need to use dual curly brackets to use it. {{example}} Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

What's the deletion sorting keyword for LGBTQ+ articles

I just created an AfD that should be listed for the review of the LGBTQ+ wikiproject but I can't get the delsort codes to work. Anyone know the right string? Simonm223 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Simonm223 Perhaps Sexuality and gender? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 23:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 presidential electors

I am looking for the names of each state's presidential electors for the 2024 election. I have noted that electors for some states are listed by Wikipedia, but some are not listed. Can you tell me if the names not listed will be listed. Thank you for your help with this issued. Barbara Burrell, professor emeritus, Nothern Illinois University. 174.106.9.22 (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Barbara. Since Wikipedia is entirely run and edited by volunteers who work on what they choose, there is nobody who has the task of ensuring that sort of consistency. So somebody might now choose to add them all in response to your question - or nobody might. If you have suitable sources for the information, you could even add the missing names. ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

List of 2024 United States presidential electors will probably be complete at some time but we cannot be certain or say when. The page history [3] shows many additions.since 9 December. The latest is Minnesota 30 minutes ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Issue with page names, pages with the same name

Hello, I added a page Alfred Steiner (artist). There is another Alfred Steiner page Alfred Steiner page, a French weightlifter, so I added the "(artist)" to the page title since I could not find information on how to deal with it in the Help section and obviously thought that was how it was done. (1.) So now Alfred Steiner (artist) only shows up when that entire title "Alfred Steiner (artist)" is searched for, and does not show up when "Alfred Steiner" is searched for. (2.) I also think his descriptor should be (artist, lawyer). Could someone help me with these issues? And also point me to where to learn more about them? Thank you. Ogmany (talk) 19:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Disambiguation would be what you are looking for. A hat on the other article may be in order. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ogmany: I have two commments. (1.) Something has gone wrong with the categories at Alfred Steiner (artist), I've failed to figure out what. (2). When you cite six sources for a statement, it suggests that something odd it going on. Why not just cite the one or two best sources? Maproom (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I have done some category cleanup.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing question

When writing an article about a video game, can a digital storefront (eg. Steam, GOG, Epic, PlayStation Store, etc.) be used as a source for basic information like release date, DLCs, the developer, etc.? If so, does it count as a primary or secondary source? The information about these games is uploaded by the developers directly and the store is just a sort of proxy for delivering that information, but these stores (usually) are unaffiliated with the developers so maybe it would count as a secondary source. ApteryxRainWing🐉 | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 20:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait for reliable sources to cover. This will back the claim. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Template wording change

Hi Teahouse, I've just encountered Template:Incomprehensible which when used displays: This article may be very hard to understand. That's usually because you, the reader, are a moron. Yes, you. Get a life. Please help clarify it.

This kind of seems like wording that would get people a sharp WP:NPA warning or block if aimed at a fellow editor, even though I'm sure it's meant in a humorous/teasing way. Am I overreacting? If not, where's the best place to propose changes? Village Pump? StartGrammarTime (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

It was vandalised this morning. I have reverted it. Thank you for pointing it out, @StartGrammarTime. (Since it was an IP address which has made only this one edit, and was done from a mobile, I don't think there's any point giving a warning. The last time it happened was four years ago, so I don't think it needs protection either.) ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Oh, I didn't think to check for vandalism - that was silly of me. Thank you very much! StartGrammarTime (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft article keeps being submitted for creation despite not being complete

Hello! I'm the creator and main editor behind Draft:Plainrock124, this article has been submitted for creation by random users multiple times now, even though the article is still far from ready. What preventative measures can I do to prevent this from happening? I still want other editors to pitch in and help me work on this article, however the submitting is honestly getting on my nerves. TansoShoshen (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

An interesting predicament, TansoShoshen. Perhaps have the draft moved, without a redirect, to "User:TansoShosen/[string]". (The string might be "Turnips", or whatever you think wouldn't attract attention.) Look through it and alter any occurrence of the two consecutive hyphens, e.g. by putting "@" between each pair. Put <!-- at the very start and --> at the very end. When you want to edit, simply remove the "!", edit, preview, restore the "!" and save. When the draft is ready, remove what's at the very start and end, and reconstruct any two-hyphen string. NB (i) You can't (I think) move something without creating a redirect; if indeed you can't, ask an admin to do it for you. (ii) The fact that you're editing will still be apparent, via your list of "contributions". (iii) There's probably a simpler/better method, but if so it eludes me as right now I'm caffeine-deprived. (iv) If my suggestion is adopted, perhaps we'd better tear this thread into strips and flush them down a convenient receptacle. -- Hoary (talk) 02:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

That’s a hidden note that informs editors to not edit something. Sparkbean (talk) 02:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi TansoShoshen. One of the things about Wikipedia is that pretty much anyone can edit any page at anytime. Another thing about Wikipedia is that whenever someone clicks on "Publish changes", they're releasing whatever they created under a free license that allows anyone anywhere in the world to build upon or modify at anytime (as long as they do so in accordance with the terms of the license). These things tend to work OK most of the time when it comes to articles because nobody really WP:OWNs an article per se, but they also apply to pages in other namespaces as well (like the draft namespace and the user namespace) where creators often do feel they "own" their work in a sense. WP:DRAFTS aren't really owned by one person per se and they can, in principle, be worked on or even submitted by others when they think they're ready for article status, but many users will leave them alone as a courtesy unless asked for help by their creators or to address some serious violation of a major Wikipedia policy. WP:USD aren't really too different from drafts in the draft namespace, but because they located in the user namespace they tend to be even left more alone absent any serious policy violations that need addressing. So, moving the draft to a userspace draft as suggested above might allow you to work on it at your own pace, but at the same time, if the draft is ready for the article namespace, you might just want to move it their yourself or submit it for an AfC review. Articles don't need to be perfect and it's completely OK to work on them after they become articles; moreover, once it's in the mainspace, it's likely going to be edited by others (you can't stop them from doing so). So, the same thing pretty much applies to drafts as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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MD. Shibrul Alom is a Bangladeshi mobile software engineer and digital creator with over 5 years of experience in digital marketing, social media management, and mobile software engineering. He has completed an advanced course in digital marketing and SEO from HTI IT Institute (Bangladesh). Shibrul is skilled in managing Facebook, Instagram, and Google ad campaigns, building YouTube channels with SEO strategies, and designing graphics such as logos, posters, and banners. Currently, Shibrul works at SB Mobile Shop in his city, where he provides expert mobile software services, ensuring 100% customer satisfaction through his quality service and technical expertise. In addition to his work, Shibrul has also been an instructor at SB GSM, where he has guided students in mastering digital marketing, social media strategies, and software engineering. His mission is to empower students with the necessary skills and knowledge to succeed in these fields.

মোঃ শিবরুল আলম (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipwedia is explicitly not social media or a place to write about yourself. It astounds me that there are still people who claim to be marketing and SEO experts but they don't know this. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ironic, maybe. Not astounding. Maproom (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Possible vandalism

Last night there were 9 edits done to https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Integrated_Aqua-Vegeculture_System&action=history and I have looked at each of the edits and a very large section of text has been removed and most of the reasons do not seem valid.

Is anyone available to have a look into this and determine if it should be reported as vandaism?

I have started a topic on the talk page for each edit but I want to do all I can to avoid an edit war.

Thank You Wiki142B (talk) 02:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Wiki142B, Drmies made a number of edits. Choose what you consider the single most egregious instance, and let's consider whether it's vandalism. (Meanwhile, what's on the talk page is, however well-intentioned, unnecessarily bulky. Please cite diffs and comment on these.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Wiki142B, Drmies has been an extremely active Wikipedia editor for over 17 years, and the reasons for these edits are clearly stated in their edit summaries. It appears that you have been adding material not usually considered to be appropriate to Wikipedia: please read WP:What Wikipedia is not, with particular attention to Sections 2.6. and 2.7. Removing such material is the very opposite of WP:Vandalism.

I notice that, since creating your User acount in May 2024, you appear to have have only edited this article and one other on a closely related topic. It may be that you merely have an intellectual curiosity about the general subject, but can you confirm that you do not have a WP:Conflict of interest that should be disclosed? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.223.204 (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)