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Math rock forerunners draft.

Forerunners

Artists like Frank Zappa, Soft Machine, the Moody Blues and Gong.

Progressive rock foundational influence on math rock.

Dave Edmunds' Love Sculpture

bands like Yes, King Crimson, Genesis and Wishbone Ash would be influential to the development of math rock.

Additionally, the experimental polyrhythms of Captain Beefheart have been cited as an influence on math rock bands like Slint and Polvo.

After post-punk

Minutemen have been cited

This Heat

NoMeansNo

MX-80 Sound

The Notekillers

Swell Maps Big Empty Field

Massacre Killing Time (1981)

The Pop Group

The Reactionaries

Red Krayola's Soldier-Talk era would be defined as an influence on Mike Watt of the Minutemen, with George Hurley later briefly joining the band.

Steve Albini

Unveil Ludus

Laugh Swans

Black Flag Screw the Law

Dancing Class Jane Siberry

XTC,

Progressive rock Yes, King Crimson, Wishbone Ash (e.g. the Pilgrim), Egg (e.g. Long Piece No. 3)

Samla Mammas Manna

King Crimson, P Model, Frank Zappa

Avant-prog and rock in opposition

History

Blind Idiot God

Ruins

Rodan

Heavy Vegetable

Bastro

Bitch Magnet

Victims Family

Sabot

Gore

Artist page draft.

Post-punk is defined by existentialism, social alienation, repression as well as postmodernism taking influences from situationism and dada. Surrealist and abstract art.

Questions on modernity and adjacent to marxism as found in themes of Marx's theory of alienation, commodity fetishism.

Legacy

Influence include MGMT, The Pop Group, Pere Ubu, Spacemen 3, Ride, Animal Collective, The Magnetic Fields, Cardiacs, Osees, Galaxie 500, The Brian Jonestown Massacre, The Cramps, The Pastels, Nick Cave's The Birthday Party, Minutemen, Charles Hayward, Gastr del Sol, The United States of America, Nurse with Wound, Ty Segall, Primal Scream, Orange Juice, DIIV, The Godz, Yo La Tengo, Jack Ruby, The Soup Dragons, Barkmarket, Ariel Pink, Julian Cope, Jim O'Rourke, Loop, The Black Angels, Nik Turner, Cabaret Voltaire, Really Red, Sort Sol, Dwarves and Madlib.  

Neo-psychedelia draft.

Neo-psychedelic acts consistently borrow a variety of elements from 1960s psychedelic music. Although some bands adopted Byrds-influenced guitar rock and emulated the popular psychedelic pop and psychedelic rock of bands such as the Beatles and early Pink Floyd. Artists also took from more esoteric psych rock musicians and or distorted free-form jams/sonic experimentalism of the 1960s underground like Red Krayola, 13th Floor Elevators, Syd Barrett and Silver Apples as well as incorporating influences from German krautrock bands like Can, Neu! and Faust.

Some neo-psychedelic bands were explicitly focused on drug use and experiences, and like the acid house movement of the same era, evoked transitory, ephemeral, and trance-like experiences.

Post-punk forerunners draft

The term post-punk used in 1978 by Jon Savage. Would not be popularized until later on. Post-punk and new wave were used interchangeably, "new musick" would be referred to a couple bands. But prior to the late 1990s to early 21st century.

Forerunners

Post-punk has a lot of influences it encompasses, but some artists were direct precursors to the genre, descendent and derivative of art rock, as mentioned in Rip It Up and Start Again. Hardcore punk represented the punk genre's roots and abrasiveness, whilst new wave resembled its commercial wing, post-punk was the more artistic side to the genre, also reminiscent of art punk.

Precursors are mainly rock based.

You have two definitions for post-punk, the period in the wake of punk between 1977 to 1984 that gave birth and or popularized movements like gothic rock, industrial and alternative rock, as well as the infrastructure and DIY ethic that facilitated the rise of indie music. You also have the genre itself, which is categorized by certain aesthetics, attitudes and general musical conventions. Post-punk is defined by the eschewing of all formal conventions, allowing for the interweaving of anything outside the general rudimentary framework that defined punk rock. However, post-punk still adheres generally to a rock music structure.

Although post-punk is a broad genre encompassing a variety of styles and influences, the genre itself adheres to certain conventions, much like many genres, its inception is very vast, only to be more identifiably categorized later on as Lenny Kaye describes the original punk scene. Which was a way more vast and varied genre until the Ramones cemented its general conventions.

Art rock and krautrock.

The Velvet Underground

Experimental rock

Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa and The Residents

Red Krayola's God Bless the Red Krayola and All Who Sail With It

Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band

Krautrock scene Neu! Can and Faust

Art rock

Roxy Music

David Bowie, Brian Eno produced Talking Heads and Television

No wave scene Suicide, Jack Ruby DNA, James Chance and the Contortions

Here Come the Warm Jets

Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy

Low

Iggy Pop's The Idiot influential to Joy Division and Siouxsie and the Banshees

Pere Ubu and Devo

Television Marquee Moon an influential album to the post-punk movement.

Wire Pink Flag

Simon Reynolds

Criticism bands predate

“The truth is that some of the defining post punk groups were actually prepunk entities that existed in some form or another for several years before the Ramones’ 1976 debut album.” — Simon Reynolds, Rip It Up and Start Again (2005) (pg. 12).

Bands like This Heat, Swell Maps, Pere Ubu, Devo formed prior to 1976.

Pere Ubu released first single

Devo had predating recordings.

Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle, before 1976