User talk:Walvispotvis

Stackpole and "iconic"

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for your intended contribution.

I removed your contribution because it said that Peter Stackpole was responsible for the Life magazine photo of people tossing plastic disposable items in the air in 1955, and it asserted that this photo was "iconic". You supplied two sources, neither of which say the photo was Stackpole's idea, nor do they say that the photo has become iconic, especially in relation to Stackpole. And the second source is not considered reliable per WP:MEDIUM.

If one were to look for iconic Stackpole photos, one might turn to Life magazine's "Photographer Spotlight: Peter Stackpole", or CCP's "Peter Stackpole", or Oakland CA Museum's "Peter Stackpole: Bridging the Bay", or SFGate's obituary. These sources mention the Bay Bridge photos, and photos of film stars, as among Stackpole's most famous work. They don't talk about tossing disposable items in the air. Binksternet (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

You never know who originated the idea or concept for a photo—this applies not only to Stackpole's Throwaway Living image but also to his Bay Bridge work or portraits of film stars. What we do know is that Stackpole took the shot, and that the photo has since become a defining image in the field of plastic pollution. Walvispotvis (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

You found the photo to have Stackpole listed in the photo credits. That's the only foothold you have for this material. Stackpole's actions, thoughts or career are not discussed in the BBC piece or in the Time magazine piece. His name appears only in photo credits. The Oceanography journal piece doesn't mention Stackpole at all. You are reaching too far to portray this photo as important to Stackpole's photographic career.

The material you have been assembling would be appropriate for inclusion at the topics of Throw-away society or Disposable food packaging. It is not appropriate at Stackpole's biography which should emphasize his career highlights. Binksternet (talk) 01:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it is noteworthy that this photoshoot from the 50s is still being published today by outlets like BBC and Time Magazine and is discussed or depicted in peer reviewed scientific journals, even after 65 years. Not many photographers from the 50's can say so. I never claimed that the picture is of importance to Stackpole's personal career, as during his life time his filmstars and bridge photos may be more impactful. But the photos he took during the 'throwaway living-shoot' turned out to be a remarkable piece of history, which is still until today being depicted by international media outlets.

As the Peter Stackpole article is merely a stub article on Wikipedia, adding this segment and the impact his photo has made (and is still making) seems to me like a welcome addition. I never claimed it to be his career highlight, and even made a separate segment about the photo, which could be turned into a 'triva' segment. I make these additions as a expert in the field of plastic pollution, so I only add information I'm specialized in. As you seem to know a lot about his 'Bridging the Bay' series, I welcome you to add about these photo's. Walvispotvis (talk) 12:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

The solution to Stackpole's biography being small is to make it bigger with material representative of his career in general. You adding a trivia section is not the way. WP:WEIGHT says "articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views". The idea that Stackpole was responsible for the disposable items being thrown in the air is not even a minor viewpoint, it's more like your own fringe viewpoint. There are precisely zero sources saying that Peter Stackpole was known for this photo. Binksternet (talk) 16:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)