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Silver Surfer disambiguation

The term "Silver Surfer" is commonly used to denote a senior citizen Internet user. Especially, though not exclusively, in the UK.

http://www.google.com/search?q=silver+surfers http://hackneysilversurfers.org.uk/

How do you/would you differentiate?

Spelling

Somebody needs to learn to spell. It's "sentinel" of the spaceways... --squadfifteen

Superman citation

In the article it states "He can seemingly do anything, at least compared to other superheroes, who are limited to just one or a few powers" and then cite superman. Superman had this problem so why is he being used as an example?

This stuff is clearly non NPOV, Removed. T-1000 23:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimate Silver Surfer

The article had the silver person with the wings pinned as the Ultimate Silver Surfer. However an identical being on a surfboard type item turned up in issue 3.

I would therefore hazard a guess that the figure with the wings is an ultimate version of Gabriel the Air-walker and the second is the Silver Surfer. However this is purely guess work at this stage. There could 1000s of those beings.

Therefore I suggest that identification of WHOM the Silver Surfer is, is held off until someone is explicitly identified as such in the Mini-series? Otherwise we could erronously identify one silver being as being the surfer when in fact he has let to be revealed.

--Charlesknight 19:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"He is seen sometimes with large wings instead of a board and sometimes becoming one with his board, transforming into an eliptical shape. Wether there is more than one Surfer or if these are different versions remains to be seen."


So if we don't know which is which or even if they are different - why are we assigning attributes to him?

--Charlesknight 12:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A series cannot be *both* 'short-lived' and 'ongoing'. They're mutually-exclusive. Not being familiar with the series personally, I don't know which is correct, but someone who does should change it. --Riff


em.. no they are not mutally-exclusive in this context - I don't know who wrote that bit but it makes sense to me. He had an ongoing series but it was short-lived and cancelled.

--Charlesknight 18:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Riff. "Ongoing" in the context of a series means it's still going on. I think "weekly" (or whatever timeframe is appropriate) is a good replacement for ongoing. Applejuicefool 20:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He is slated to appear in Ultimate FF 42. I don't really read that series so I hope someone does and chooses to update the article in May. Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Physical powers

I wouldn't say that he's completely resistant to physical attacks considering that Hulk literally bit his head of in Marvel zombies XSpaceyx 16:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Alternative universe - no idea of how that related to the mainstream 616 universe.


--Charlesknight 19:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, alternate universe, no bearing on 616 reality what-so-ever. In the zombie-verse they "ate" Galactus who doesn't even have flesh. How do you "eat" a semi-abstract energy being if you are a zombie-fied Tony Stark? Bottom line: crap, alternate universe story with no bearing on mainstream continuity.
It was only IMPLIED that Galactus was eaten. That panel was never shown, although the zombies are shown to have gained the power cosmic later in the comic, it could be that they simply absorbed Galactus' energy. Bottom line: There is no proof that Galactus was eaten.
The characters stated that they "ate" Galactus, pretty damning evidence. They were even arguing over who got what body parts. Bottom line: it's STILL a crap alternate universe story that has no bearing on the 616 reality. Defending plot points of this substandard story will NEVER make this story relevant to the mainstream Silver Surfer's durability. Bottom Line.
It IS seen on panel the "heros" eating Galactus - There are multiple panels of it. Just one instance we see Spiderman rip off one of his fingers and eat it.

--Charlesknight 17:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Fine it has no bearing on 616 but it's not crap. Robert Kirkman is brilliant. It's all opinion. Like me saying I think you're crap (whoever said it). OPINION. No place for that here. Discuss the article only, this is not a message board. Read the rules if you don't get it...— ChocolateRoses talk

What does it say about SS powers when he is help helpless (?) by Black Panther in FF#545. Does it have something to do with being separated physically from his board? AlbertHall 12:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't say anything about his powers. Silver Surfer could have easily used his powers to free himself but before he could do that, Black Panther would have made him unconscious (he is still "humanoid" as Panther said and so SS still has veins and arteries and is prone to an attack but it takes a significant higher amount of energy to cause damage than it does for most people).
It was a Mexican standoff situation, i.e. similar to having a gun next to your head. The board, on the other hand, is a part of his body and is controlled by his mind but it is not the source of his powers. It is just his vessel of travel. The source of his powers is the Power Cosmic, a near-infinite well of energy that exists everywhere in the Universe.
Also, with the end of Annihilation, SS became big G's herald once more and was gifted with even more power so it is highly unlikely that the FF can defeat him hand to hand (they might beat him by working as a team). Zuracech lordum 20:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carnage symbiote

How about we post a picture of Carnage's symbiote bonded with the Silver Surfer? Maybe the same one that, for some reason, was removed from the Carnage article. It would give our viewers a knowledge that the Silver Surfer wasn't always silver... 70.58.211.220

He was still silver, just covered up by the symbiote. TheBalance 00:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, interesting. Well, I think it would just look cool to show him as Silver-Carnage or the Carnage-Surfer. 70.58.211.220

Why? He was only the Carnage symbiote for a short period of time.

I just think it would look cool.

It may "look cool" but it has nothing to do with Silver Surfer for he has met countless characters in his cosmic life and Carnage is representative of a very minute and insignificant fraction of the fictional biography that we are writing about. Zuracech lordum 18:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Character history

Some of the stuff in the section (such as his encounter with Doom) repeats itself later down the page. --DrBat 20:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Light Speed and Hyper-space

Only some Marvel writers adhere to the notion of "hyper-space". The Surfer has flown and fought at greater than light speed before without going into hyper-space. Lochdale 22:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Clearly drawing inspiration from Rousseau, Lee's script allowed this completely amoral entity to develop a sense of compassion through contact with the gentle Alicia Masters, a blind sculptress somehow capable of perceiving the surfer's innate nobility.

uh, really? 63.172.69.34 15:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is this, high school English class? Unless Stan Lee's drawing inspiration from Rousseau can be cited, it has no business in this article. - Hpanic7342 15:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense, right? Someone should fix it ... 63.172.69.34http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Silver_Surfer&action=edit 15:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed it. The passage makes immeasurably more sense now. - Hpanic7342 15:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, what on earth is up with the passing Hegel reference? Being very familiar with good ol' GWF, it is not "clear" what connection the Silver Surfer has to Hegel. The best I can come up with is some horrid misunderstanding of the PhG. Can the person who put this in take it out, or alternatively explain what the Hegelian inspiration is supposed to be and source it to something Lee has actually said? 140.247.163.157 06:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. While the concept is there, unless anyone can find a direct reference indicating Hegel's influence, the remark should be deemed superfluous and hence removed. Zuracech lordum 18:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Surfer can generate vast amounts of pie?

Though it is not known for sure, the Surfer can generate vast amounts of pie.

I'm not a Silver Surfer expert or anything, but this seems like it might be vandalism to me. Perhaps it should be looked at... 68.189.173.185 10:31, 30 December 2006

Oh, you didn't know? The Surfer can generate VAST amounts of pie. POON TANG PIE! In fact, due to his ability to manipulate matter, he can generate pie from thin are. In all seriousness, it is vandalism so just fix it. 63.152.9.76 01:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Annihilation Update?

The section on Annihilation looks like it needs to be updated following the completion of the series. It sounds like it was written while it was still going on. --Jaardon 08:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. I am going to read it soon and try to best summarise the developments and expand the section. Anyone else able to do the same is greatly encouraged. Zuracech lordum 18:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Please check and see if it is any better.Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marvel Zombies Section Vandalism?

According to the Marvel Zombies section, "In this alternate universe, where a portal is presumed to have led the infection (or zombies) there, silver surfer comes in contact with the zombie heroes. In a fight with him, they eventually defeat and feed from him. They seem to assume some of his cosmic power. Also they kill Galactucus and become in a twist multiple Galactucus's and feed on worlds to state their hunger. yeah!!!!". I haven't read this comic, but from what I understand, this isn't what happens, and is probably vandalism. Having not read it, though, I don't know what would go there as its replacement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.204.140.129 (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Nope, not vandalism. It's a one shot series or something, a pretty entertaining one at that. Spider man eats mary jane and other outrageous stuff.

"One of the first graphic novels"

The description for one of the pictures on this topic states "one of the first graphic novels".

This is false. Graphic novels reach back to the Victorian era. It's neither one of the first graphic novels, nor even one of the first modern era graphic novels, nor even one of he first super hero themed graphic novels. I can think of no level on which that late 70s graphic novel is in any way a first for the field of graphic novels, aside from being a reltively early one (though not first) for Marvel comics as a publisher.

I think the best alternative description would be "one of the earlier Marvel comics graphic novels". That is at least fairly accurate.

Markcronan 18:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changed. Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler?

Doesn't this article have spoilers? I'd assume it does, but there's no spoiler warning, and I can't seem to tell anywhere where spoilers neatly start or end Kevin 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the articles on comic book characters do not have spoilers. The justification being that these are character "biographies" and not stories. You wouldn't put a spoiler before the biography of Franklin Roosevelt, would you? Zuracech lordum 20:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing of the article and major edits

I've begun referencing the statements included in the article (at times, even to an exhaustive and unnecessary level). I'm generally following the Storm (comics) wiki as that page has been rated as a good article on the WikiProject Comics page. I'm hoping to try and get this page nominated as a good article as well.

So far, there needs to be a major re-write for the modern Silver Surfer run (the "Freedom from Exile" part onwards). I will get back soon and write more on this section .

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Zuracech lordum 21:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abilities

Superhuman strength - Hulk cannot defeat him in Vol 3, SS 125.

Physical resistance - can plunge into stars and be unscathed (various)

Energy manipulation - blasts of concussive force

Molecular transmutation - converts board to pure energy and thus crosses barrier put by Galactus in Vol 3, SS 1 (the barrier worked for the board only)

Control over the Fundamental Forces - unverified. Someone find a source please.

In Heralds 2, momentarily channels the energies of the "crunch" (!) - Sammyj 02:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Accepted. Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Degree of cosmic awareness - Don't really know about this but he does sense when Galactus is in trouble if things are horribly wrong (possibly Annihilation)

Still not sure about this.Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The ability to travel at trans-light speeds - various

Suppressed aging process - He's nigh immortal as mentioned in various comics.

Mind control - unverified. He has enhanced telepathic resistance but I don't think he has mind control.

Don't recall an instance - Sammyj 02:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I vote that it be removed unless anyone comes up with a source for it within the week. However, if you have read Volume 4 in 2003, SS did speed up the intellectual level of a smart kid that he kidnapped (as Earth was said to be doomed so he gathered up all the gifted children of the world). Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, correction. In Silver Surfer Volume 4, issue 10, he reads the mind of the mother of one of the gifted children. This is an extremely rare case, though so I don't know what the conclusion should be. It may just be an absolute minute point that is being discussed here so I'd like some resolution. Doesn't anyone else read this talk page? Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Time manipulation - He crosses the boundaries of time and takes Nova to a past version of Earth in Vol 3, SS 49. He does this so as to show Nova that she can't just kill off every planet that has unintelligent life as that would be equal to destroying Earth in its infancy. Also, he goes in the past to defeat Overlord, a superpowered dictator from the future in Vol 1.

Healing - Various comics have shown this for example, in Vol 3, SS 130 or something where he heals Puppet Master, Alicia Master's stepfather.

Any other abilities to add? Zuracech lordum 01:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there are others. Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What is it called when he can "track a grain of sand throughout the cosmos"? Zuracech lordum 09:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice summary of official abilities in Annihilation: Nova Corps Files. AlbertHall 02:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Length of article

Article's becoming long and boring. Any suggestions as to what needs removing? Personally, I'm a huge SS fan so I want to include even more information in depth but then it may not be good for an encyclopaedia article. Zuracech lordum 09:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Failed GA

Whilst well-referenced, which is a serious problem for a lot of comic book articles (it's there, just read it, the lazy editors say) I fail the article due to no fair use rationales, a trivial pop culture section, some external links and an unverified powers section. Alientraveller 17:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does every single picture on the Silver Surfer page fail the fair use rationale criteria or are they just a few specific ones? If so, could you select the ones that need updating? And how do you verify the powers of a comic book character? Zuracech lordum 03:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the comics are cited, so why not cite them for the powers? Also, add fair use rationales to every non-free image if you feel you need them. Alientraveller 16:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That can be done. Regarding the pop culture section, are you comparing it with other characters that have a separate article dealing with this or are you stating that the material present in this article is not detailed? Zuracech lordum 17:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed unverified statements

Following statements are hard to verify and hence removed:

"This episode was removed from broadcast syndication after complaints were made about the "effeminate" and "narcissistic" parody of Silver Surfer." (in Cultural references, on SS's supposed appearance as the Silver Spoon in an episode of Dial M for Monkey).

"In yet later versions of the story, it was explained that the Zenn-Lavians were an offshoot of the Kree, a scientifically advanced, galaxy-spanning, alien race first created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the Fantastic Four." (at the end of Herald of Galactus section)

Please find references to support these two statements. Otherwise, they should not be in the article. Zuracech lordum 07:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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