Talk:Chaim Weizmann

spelling

since he signed his own journal articles "C. Weizmann" wouldnt it make more sense for the article to be under "Chaim Weizmann"

• I know that modern convention in Hebrew transliteration calls for Haim Weizman, but I agree with the above; he spelled his name Chaim Weizmann. That is how he was known in English among his contemporaries. Doesn't that trump modern conventions? Admittedly, we don't call King Henry VIII Henri Rex, but he did not use fully modern English; Weizmann did. Baronplantagenet 19:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, and this is a guy who lived in England for YEARS. It's not like his name needs transliterating.

I agree, it should be changed back to Chaim, which is how he always spelled it, and how he is invariably referred to in English. Afaik it was a more common English spelling at that time, and even later for someone with that name, e.g. Chaim Herzog's books in English spell his name with a C too.John Z 22:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I also agree.--Doron 11:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Me too. Who's going to do it? Jayjg ^(talk) 03:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Sources

Violations because I didn't provide sources?

I wrote:
"In a letter addressed to Weizman by Joel Brand in 1943(?) requesting any assistance whatsoever to the plight of Europe's Jewry, Weizmann had his secretary respond that he was "Quite preoccupied" and failed to even acknowledge the ongoing holocaust.
This is not surprising posthumously however, because Weizmann had made it clear in letters to various Marxist-Zionist controlled newspapers that "The Jews of Europe are dust on the wheels of history."

I quote from Perfidy pgs. 228, 229

"With the Jewish slaughter in Europe at its bloody height, Brand tells how he wrote deperately to President Weizmann (of the Agency, not yet Israel) imploring him to help the Jews still unslain in Hungary. He enclosed the full Eichmann offer. He pointed out how it could still be accepted, and the last of Hungary's Jews bought out of the German death camps.

Tamir puts in evidence the reply to Brand made by the late President of Israel. Government Attourney Tell stands by "reverently" as this callous letter from Chaim Weizmann is read into the protocol.

Mr. Joel Brand
Tel Aviv
Dear Mr. Brand:
I beg you to forgive me for having delayed in answering your letter. As you may have seen from the Press, I have been travelling a good deal and generally did not have a free moment since my arrival here. I have read both your letter and your memorandum and shall be happy to see you sometime this week after next - about the tenth of January.
Miss Itin - my secretary - will get in touch with you to fix up the appointment.
With kind regards,

Yours very sincerely,
Ch. Weizmann

I wrote:
Much of this important and most critical history of these "Leaders" is not popularly written about and is suppressed in favour of a bloated and fabricated history of a government which pretty much did not do anything else other than betray their fellow Jews to the British And Germans, like Ben Gurion - the leader of the Hagannah - who had the ship Stroma detonated, carrying 770 Jewish escapees, all of whom died a watery death.

I've read a conflicting report of the sinking of the Patria on the net:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/irgunill.html

Apparently the explosion on the Patria was meant to prevent the British from deporting the Jews to Mauritius. Anyone care to go further on this?

--Yea in retrospect, Hecht was wrong about the Sturma and the Patria.

Semi-Protection

Serious NPOV violations, regardless of veracity of Hecht accusations.

In a letter addressed to Weizman by Joel Brand in 1943(?) requesting any assistance whatsoever to the plight of Europe's Jewry, Weizmann had his secretary respond that he was "Quite preoccupied" and failed to even acknowledge the ongoing holocaust.

This is not surprising posthumously however, because Weizmann had made it clear in letters to various Marxist-Zionist controlled newspapers that "The Jews of Europe are dust on the wheels of history."

The above, as well as other reverted comments, is a violation of NPOV. Personal opinions about Weizmann do not belong in an encyclopædic entry. Avi 07:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Balfour Quote

Although the Balfour Declaration stipulated that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine", Weizmann said, “with regard to the Arab question - the British told us that there are several hundred thousand Negroes there but this is a matter of no consequence.”

Weizmann quoted by Arthur Ruppin [ Fateful Triangle, p481, see source: Yosef Heller, Bama'avak Lamdina (Jerusalem, 1985), p.140] )

What's the background to Weizmann's usage of the term Negro for, apparently, the Palestinian Arabs??? --198.59.190.201 21:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been interested in this quote, and requested a translation from a professor of Hebrew language. The word in question is "kushim" ("Kushite", that is, from Ethiopia), and it is unclear that it has the same contemporary nuance as "Negro" -- "black" may be a more neutral term. However, the term "kushim" has a perjorative sense.

The Weizmann quotation comes from the recounting of Arthur Ruppin, a prominent early 20th c. Zionist and demographer who was an associate of Weizmann. In Heller's book, Ruppin is reporting a conversation that he had with Weizmann about the Balfour Declaration. From Heller's text, it is apparent that while Weizmann is describing the analysis of British authorities, he is repeating it as if their analysis is to be taken seriously. Since Ruppin is quoting Weizmann, it is appropriate to see a little of the context of his own remarks, translated from his original German to Hebrew and then to English:

Dr. A. Rupin (German): Dr. Weitzmann told me once how he received the Balfour Declaration. And I asked him: “At the time, what did you think about the Arab question?” He answered, “As far as the Arab question, the British told us, that there are hundreds of thousands of blacks and apparently there is no value.” It showed me that at this time our supervisors had no clue about the Arab question and even a long time afterwards they reported this question to Keren Zayit…

With all of my good desire, to live in peace with the Arabs, I came to a conclusion, that there is no way to conclude in a peaceful manner with the Arabs without giving up our Zionist desires (to establish a Jewish state), and this I will not do nor do I want to do this, because it would mean suicide. I would rather choose a direct death at the hands of an Arab rather than give up on our demand to establish a state. I say that today the only answer to the Arab question is: to build and to build and to build, to increase [our numbers] from year to year, and to strengthen our position, and only then will an agreement be reached. It will not come based on a written contract, as if it will come from heaven…

Basically our existence will be a fact, and they will not be able to drive us out of here, and will need to get used to our existence, in much the same way as they have gotten used to other things.

[Harry Mairson 11-6-06]

However you word the quote it sounds about as bad - it's the thought that counts I guess. The Zionist opinion has been one of opression from before day one ( the rest of the quote, after the Negro/black comment, is the most troublesome. Didn't he also, in 1939, declare war on Germany, unwise when you have no army and thousands of your people trapped in enemy territory ( not a great tactical thinker unless he had other plans that were more important.)159.105.80.141 13:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Protected

I know. It's a slow brewing edit war, but protection for 2-3 days won't hurt. Please discuss this here and not in edit summaries. Thanks. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 08:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Is this article ready to be unprotected? · Katefan0^(scribble)/mrp 22:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Nobel prize

Did he win one for his chemical discoveries? I'll research this.--Jondel 05:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)