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Elite Culture

I don't agree that the Elites learned to speak the English tongue, but merely "translated" because the story's viewpoint is not just around the Master Chief anymore--it also revolves around the Arbiter. I suppose that Bungie made most of the Covie talk intelligible simply for clarification purposes, to display the reasoning and culture of the Elites as well as the Covenent in general.

~Jay

Then explain how the Arbiter talks to sargeant Johnsen. -- Psi edit

I believe an Elite said "Projectiles. Very primitive." to Keyes in Halo: The Flood. --OGoncho 19:21, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Going from the information in the books, at the time of Halo1 the universal translator was unreliable, but picked up a few phrases. By the time of Halo 2 it was significantly improved but still subject to some errors, mostly corrected be cortana. The translator hardware is part of the Spartan/marine comm equipment (and presumably Elite comm gear also). ~~Red Rogue~~

Also, all UNSC personnel are known to have neural implants. This could explain the Sergeant's ability to understand the Arbiter.

Name

Should the article be moved to Sangheili? It is the proper name of the race. --OGoncho 05:51, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to move it. If anyone disagrees, discuss. --OGoncho 07:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I kinda disagree with this. The game refers to them as Elites. They are most commonly referred to as Elites. Most people know of them as Elites. Even the books refer to them as Elites, even when narrated from the perspective of Covenant characters. Mentioning that they call themselves Sangheili is good, but constantly calling them Sangheili seems to be taking things too far and too seriously (kinda like learning to speak Klingon). It's also very jarring for the vast majority of readers. Joylock

I agree. Wikipedia standard is to use the most common name. Sangheli can certainly be mentioned in the article, but the article should reside at Covenant Elite, the most common, non-ambiguous name. Since this article has since been moved a couple more times and now carries an unnecessary (Halo) disambiguating suffix, I am going to request a move at WP:RM. — TKD::Talk 02:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked the intro to match the new title, using Japanese people as a model. If this is inappropriate for a fictional race, I apologize. --OGoncho 05:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe have "Sangheli" direct to this article? ~ Bbglas007

Already does. Peptuck 17:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

copy paste "Sangheli" into wiki and you'll find it doesn't

Rank section

Heretics aren't part of the Covenant therefore they are not part of the ranking of the Covenant. Im putting in some sub categories. Psi edit 01:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The previous text in this section was full of errors and awkward and incorrect infomation so I purged it and redid the whole section. --Will of the Prophets 03:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Covenant Elite (Halo) → Covenant Elite … Rationale: Covenant Elite is the most common name for this fictional alien race. A series of page moves (Covenant Elite → Sangheli → Elites (Halo) → Covenant Elite (Halo)) has created an unnecessary disambiguating suffix. — TKD::Talk 02:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support as original requester. — TKD::Talk 02:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Olessi 19:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 11:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Multiplayer differences

Have any of these been proved? The only ones that are obviously true are the size difference and the different head placement (affecting headshots). As far as I know, the rest are just rumors. Rabid Monkey 18:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Language Barriers

We know from Fall of Reach that the Covenant had learned english at an alarmingly fast rate. I suppose some of the higher ranking Elites took it upon themselves to learn the language, while the UNSC simply got better translators.

The Elites characterized in the novels would feel english isn't a tongue worthy enough for them to learn or speak aloud; I feel that the Elites in the game and in "Conversations from the universe" actually admired the human spirit and tenacity of war. I would imagine they would work laborously to learn english, human history, the whole nine yards.

I think that this entry for the Sanghelli is as skeletal as it is tedious. It should touch on their insurrection from the Covenant, the possible alliance with the UNSC(or cease-fire) and a rough outline of their role in Halo 2 and possible roles in the upcoming Halo 3.

EDIT: Of course, I don't mean they speak English amongst themselves. It's translated for the viewer's sake. However, it is odd that the Covenant Oath is a poem that when translated into english, also rhymes and has perfect meter.

Cleanup

I don't see the need for a cleanup tag on this page, so i am going to remove it now. If you believe it does require cleanup, please replace the tag and discuss the reason here, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.86.116 (talk • contribs)

I just tagged this with {{cleanup fiction-as-fact}}. According to Wikipedia's guidelines on writing about fiction, fictional characters and species need to be treated as cultural artifacts, not as if they were real beings. — TKD::Talk 23:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation

It seems that alot of the "facts" in this article seem to be mere speculation. For example in the physiology section of the article there is something saying the the arbiter can take a bullet wound to the chest and it will be fully healed in a few minutes. I see that this is assumed because of the health system of halo 2 makes you fully healed on your own after a few seconds but I doubt this is therefore canon. I don't think that the game designers had any intention of suggesting that elites have extreme "wolverine" like healing abilities and that this game feature is just to lighten the total work being done for the gamer. --TostitosAreGross 21:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Arbiter takes a bullet wound directly to the chest when his shields are down during the ending of Quarantine Zone; you can even see him physically clutching the wound. After the encounter with Gravemind and arriving at the beginning of Uprising, he is no longer clutching that wound. This is apparently the bass for the idea of the armor at least having the same regenerative abilities as the MJOLNIR Mark VI.

Personally, though, I'm more interested in where these "Guardian" and "Prophet Elites" come from. Normally I'd just delete it, but they may be in the Halo Graphic Novel, so I'd need to see that to confirm otherwise. Peptuck 06:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its been a few days, and there's been no citations of where the Prophet and Guardian Elites came from. Judging by what I've gathered from the HGN reviews and discussions, there's no Elites of that type mentioned in the HGN, either. I'm calling this either fan theory or plain bullshit. Deleted. Peptuck 05:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Second Peptuck's call on the Prophet and Guardian Elites, i can find no offical canon on the matter whatsoever Ronnie 00:45, 26 July 2006 (GMT)

In all honesty, the article looks and reads like it was written by an enthusiastic fifteen-year-old fan. A noble endeavor, but it contains phrases like "longer in length". I think it needs to be cleaned up a bit, but I'm far too lazy to do it. Anyone else up for it? Magicflyinlemur 05:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit it yourself instead of whining about it.Peptuck 14:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the part about the Elites' gonads being on their chest verifiable or should it be deleted? Patar knight 22:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unsupported speculation. I removed it. Peptuck 05:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

good job, Peptuck, it seemed odd, but im not a big reader of Halo so i wasnt sure. Patar knight 18:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be an edit to the main article. Elites breath NITROGEN, which is a gas found on earth, I forget where I heard it exactly, but its from a offical source. Recent idiot

Find the source, then. I've never heard of Elites needing to breathe nitrogen in all the official sources I've seen.Peptuck 19:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Should there be pictures near the ranks for referance?Argias 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't particularly think that the Elite warrior culture resembles that of the ancient Japanese. It's much more similar to something like the warrior culture of the Chinese Qin dynasty. Like the ancient Chinese, Elites are promoted based on merit and wear different colors based on rank. Cosmetically, the Elite "honor guard" armor appears very similar to that seen on Tang dynasty statues. Heck, even the name "Sang Hei Li" is evidently similar to mandarin. Just my 2cents.