Talk:List of Hollows in Bleach

State what each type of menos an arrancar was before transformed?

We already know almost all of them.. Grimmjow is a known adjuchas, and no Vasto Lordes have been made yet (that we have been shown at least) which means that Ulquiorra and Margera are also adjuchas. Yammy and Luppi could be very weak adjuchas (Grimmjow took down Luppi rather easily, and Ulquiorra was able to take down Yammy quickly also. Aaroniro stated that he was the only gillian among the espada). All the Arrancar that have been defeated were gillian rank, except for Grandfisher and the arrancars that took on Uryu (chapter 213, page 19). Iceringer and Demora havn't been discussed yet either, although they were most likely gillian also.

When did it say that no vastrodes have been made? And where does it say that Grimmjow is an adjucas? I don't really think that's been discussed at all. Cannibalist 01:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it was not Aizen who turn Grand Fisher into an arrankar. At the end of vol 3, it seems other arrankar do that.

Merge? No.

The purpose for the existance of this article is seperate from that of Hollow (Bleach). This page is a fork, due to excessive length, from Characters in Bleach series (hence the name formulation). --tjstrf 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Nell Tu's gender

Was there any indication that Nell was a female? I think I have missed it. Please elaborate. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 00:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the way that he speaks can go either way or something like that. Though, the brother thing proves that he's a guy (and the fact that pretty much no shonen author will ever make an androgynous character a female.) Nemu 00:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, if anyone can't find proof that shows that Nell is female I will change it back to the proper wording soon, just can't do it now.Tensa Zangetsu 19:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It's on the 8th page of 246, where they used the term "兄妹" (both Ichigo and the hollows) multiple time (兄妹 【きょうだい(ik); けいまい】 (n) older brother and younger sister ). here's the raw: Ch. 246, P.8 Finestela 14:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It was confirmed again in chapter 253 where Dordonii refered to her as a female--66.231.36.19 07:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of Nell once more, i think that its pretty much been confirmed that she will be a main character in the current arc, so hows about we make her own entry/page?--66.231.36.47 06:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Bleach7 also directly clarified it in their release. Nell gets an article once she actually does something, not now when we merely predict she'll do something. --tjstrf talk 07:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Proper Names

In Dordonii's cover his name is actually stated as Dordonie, shou;dn't this change be made? —The preceding -Raf

There's no E in the name. Look closely... there has to be two I's. -- kangarugh22 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kangarugh22 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

How about Arronio Alulueri? the katakana for Arrunio spells 'A-roni-ro'.--Chemicalist 09:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Exequias

Why is the Exequias section under Former Espada? I highly doubt everyone one of them was part of the Espada. They seem more like a group of less powerful Arrancar that were put into a group as an assassination squad. Also, was it confirmed that Jovenzuelo is the actual name of the bull-head Exequias leader? I just assumed Dordonii was name-calling like he does with Ichigo (niño). Kangarugh22 13:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to mention this. If you look at the kanji used in Jovenzuelo (小僧共), its normal Japanese pronunciation would be "kozou domo." The word "kozou" means youngster while the "domo" makes the word plural. I find it hard to believe that this would be someone's name. I really think Dordonii was referring to the group of them, not addressing the leader personally. I may be wrong, though. Anyway, I'll add the kanji to the name in the article. Kangarugh22 19:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Pesshe

About him - he seems to be described here twice - both in 1) Known hollows and in 2.5) Others. Is it done on purpose?

Someone put him in Other Arrancar without noticing that he was already listed as a Known Hollow. Pesshe is not an Arrancar so I deleted the new entry yesterday. Kangarugh22 01:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Manga chapter 209

check the manga in chapter 209. if you can make out the silhouettes you can find out where each of the espada's hollow holes are b/c there's a seen where the arrancar is describing how the espada are ranked and there is an image of all the espada in shadows. (note: grimmjow is front and center, ulquiorra is behind him to the left)66.222.214.93 08:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Il Forte's name

I have just now noticed that Il Forte's name is Iiruforuto, which would probably be better written as Ilfort. That is unless the Spanish forte is pronounced like the English fort. If not, then the name should be changed to Il Fort or Ilfort. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

"forte" in Spanish is pronounced "fortay" so I'm not sure why that romanization was made up for him. Someone made it up and it stuck... for a loooong time. Who knows what his name really is supposed to be... Kangarugh22 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Adding HUGE SPOILERS before the chapters come out....

I really wish people wouldn't do that. I know I was the one to add Gantenbein before the chapter came out, but just a simple name isn't a spoiler. I just looked today and saw some spoiler about the poleface Espada looking like Shiba Kaien. I really would've like to see that for myself when the chapter came out tomorrow/Friday. Thanks. Kangarugh22 21:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. I'm not sure how you'd enforce this though: lack of spoiler tags is the basic problem that wikipedia's rules address. Simply asking that someone not post information at all, however, I don't think there is any rule covering.Plunge 18:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

There are spoiler warning tags for a reason. As WP:SPOILER says "Not all visitors will recognize the nature of Wikipedia, which strives first to inform, spoilers or not." Basically it is not Wikipedia's fault if you read a spoiler and you were warned in the second line of text in the article. As for asking that information not be stated, that seems to be related to this thing that we shouldn't do: "Deleting relevant, neutral and verifiable information about a narrative work from Wikipedia "because it's a spoiler" instead of properly applying spoiler templates." Anyway the spoiler tag is there, I just wish they had made them bigger and more noticeable (I've been spoiled myself). Gdo01 18:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well the big thing here is that people were adding that Arronio was Kaien like 2 days before the chapter ever came out. We all know that Wikipedia has spoilers... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kangarugh22 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Shonen Jump is released on Mondays, the first mention of the 9th espada was two days ago [1]. That would be Tuesday in the USA. Anything posted after Monday could technically be from a Japanese fan reading the raw. Gdo01 22:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's released on Mondays, but we get it early. This Shounen Jump issue with Bleach 262, Naruto 341, D. Gray-man 107, etc. is not being released in Japan until this coming Monday, the 12th. We get leaked pictures, many times poor-quality camera phone shots of of the key pages, sometimes up to a week before it's on shelves in Japan. Usually by the Thursday before release we get a proper scan of many of the manga out of Shounen Jump. All I'm proposing is that we don't allow major spoilers posted on Wikipedia until we at least get the full chapter scans and not cam-shot spoilers. I know this chapter would've been a lot more exciting for me if I hadn't been spoiled about Kaien.Kangarugh22 01:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I really fail to see any rationale for the rule you want other than "they spoiled Kaien for me." The only true concerns here are WP:V which is not violated since these are straight from the source. If the manga scans were fake or were fake scripts like the Chad's grandfather thing, then there is reason to hold back that information since it could be potentially fake. You, on the other hand, are saying we should hold back verifiable, real scans of the real Bleach manga. What does it matter that it is poor quality as long as it has verifiable facts that should not be held back just because someone was spoiled? Fact is fact, the release doesn't matter unless it is text that could be potentially incorrect or Kubo himself requesting that info not be released early. Gdo01 01:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The obvious solution is to not read the Wikipedia articles until you are sure you have the latest chapter. --tjstrf talk 07:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I've learned not to look at Bleach articles in the period between the RAW and M7's release for just this reason. –Gunslinger47 07:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Arnilo Arleri

It seems the intention might be Arnilo Arleri (アーロニーロ アルルエリ, Āronīro Arurueri).

Doing some Google searches, it appears that Arnilo and Arleri are names of some kind. Though, I'm getting more Italian matches than Spanish, for some reason. I don't know who found these names, but converting them into katakana does give us a nearly perfect match.

There is no problem with Arleri:

Arleri → Arulueri → Arurueri → アルルエリ

Arnilo is slightly troublesome:

Arnilo → Arniro → Āniro → アーニロ

I guess that the extra ro (ロ) was added in the middle to emphasize the otherwise minimal ar sound. –Gunslinger47 06:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, there's no real way to prove that "Arnilo" was the intended name. It doesn't make sense to me personally given the extra ロ. The Splendiferous Gegiford 06:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Doing the same process backward, from katakana to Spanish, we get Āronīro → Arrñiro at best. –Gunslinger47 06:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

You're trying to force it to be those names. It's just not close enough. Kangarugh22 23:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

"Force" is too strong of a word for my intentions. I was looking, in good faith, for discussion and consensus as there are some who believe that "we" have decided upon Arnilo. I've clearly highlighted the problems with this above. –Gunslinger47 03:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but both seems wrong to me. Arleri would be Arureri in kana, not Arurueri (アルレリ and not アルルエリ). Arnilo lacks a Ro, as the other guys pointed. - Access Timeco 22:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, now that I think about it, Arleri would most naturally go to Āreri (アーレリ), wouldn't it? –Gunslinger47 04:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Or that, hehe, yep. Well, one of those, but I can't see as Arurueri. - Access Timeco 14:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

How about Arroniro Arlueri??? Looks good to me and it doesn't ignore the katakana romanization "rules." Kangarugh22 17:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Nocturne, from bleacforums, posted this link http://aaronel.com Aaronel deRoy is a photografer. I think Aaronel (and deRoy) could be a good romanization... since we'll have the official to AA probably next week, we can wait, but what about D-Roy becoming deRoy?

And about AA's lastname, Arlueri seems more right (or Alulueri, I remember someone saying it is a french word or something). - Access Timeco 19:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Tesla's Gender?

Well, Mr. Kubo has blessed us yet again with a gender-confused arrancar. I don't suppose anybody can confirm his/her gender?

I really can't see what is so confusing about him. He IS a man, doesn't matter how I look at him. And not even an effeminate man, maybe just a young (with a kind look) man. - Access Timeco 21:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

definately a dude IMO, he looks a litte queer but i have no doubt it's a guy. --Grimjaw 06:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

why is Arroniro Arleri considered an Arrancar?

Didn't he remove his mask like ichigo has done many times during the series and the Vizards. He also was aready a Shinigami mixed witha hollow but remains mostly dominate over his hollow similar to ichigo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.27.134 (talk) 03:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

Kaien is different in that he is a shinigami inhabiting the body of a hollow. Strictly he is still a hollow just that Kaien is the dominant personality in the hollow. Kaien is no longer a shinigami, he stated that his body was deteriorating so only the hollow made it back to Hueco Mundo. I won't say that he is definitely an arrancar but he is definitely not a vizard.Gdo01 03:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Untill it is actually confirmed in the story, that Arroniro is indeed what he said he is (Kaien/Parasitic-Hollow Hybrid), we should simply treat him like how Kubo showcased him: an Espada. Another issue I have with the current article is the wording ("he is" instead of "he claims"), as we have no way to know if he's telling the truth. --Finestela 22:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

kaien has wierd traits cuz he's a very piss poor arrancar. he's one of aizens first attempts, and he used a really strange method. bottom line is he's considered a half-assed arrancar not a vizard. in all honesty i'm pretty sure the mask he took off isn't even a hollow mask, more like a regular mask u would wear at halloween. none the less i must admit he seems more his own species then anything, given his unorthodox creation. unless it says he's something else we have no reason to suspect he isn't just a fucked up version of arrancar. --Grimjaw 06:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

does it really matter on how he got the powers. just because he didn't get it the same way ichigo got them doesn't mean that is how everyone got hollow powers, the other vizards didn't get it the same way because they alrady had were shinigami. and Arroniro not Consciously wating to gain hollow powers are also does't make a difference.

actually it DOES matter, look at the privaron espada they became arrancar by non-aizen assisted methods and were vastly inferior to the ones created by aizen. how he got his powers matters in this case because it makes him totally unlike a vizard, and yet totally unlike an arrancar as well...like i said, it pretty well makes him his own species. regardless he's part of aizens arrancar army, he was an attempt to make an arrancar; so unless they suddenly say he is not an arracar...he's a fucking arrancar lol, accept it. --Grimjaw 00:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Moustache Man

In the pic with all espada there's a moustache man where is he in the pic of espada meeting. Seth103

Also answered on the Arrancar talk page. He is sitting in between Yammy and Zaera-Polo. HayashiKun

Zaera-polo

What chapter does he appear in Seth103

first appearance is at the table with everyone else in ch. 244, we learn his name later tho don't know the exact chapter. its right about when ichigo beat down doldoni or wtf his name is --147.26.232.133 19:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

We should have pic of lolly and menoly. Seth103

why? they've been seen for two seconds. edorad got 5 chapters and he doesn't have an image... --Grimjaw 19:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

What chapter?

what do you mean? what are you looking for lolly and menoly? edorad? i have no idea when lolly and menoly show up chapter wise. i don't memorize that kind of shit. i do have some good segments of manga on my harddrive so edorad shows up around 198 and dies in 206. 5-6 chapters of which was nothing but him vs ikkaku. all those two chicks did was say hi this is my name *scene change*. if we put a pic for all the numeros this thing will be nothing but pics after awhile. i don't even know why the privaron get images quite frankly. --Grimjaw 22:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

My Info

If it turns out that the info I've posted on Zaer-Apollo is true (his last name is Grantz & his # is 8), then I'd appreciate more respect in the future. Just because you haven't seen any info on the new chapter doesn't mean I haven't. You don't know my sources, so please be more professional when questioning my credibility. Also :P —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punchface (talk • contribs).

Your sources don't matter until the scans of the manga come out. I'm sure you are right but the only way to be sure is to see that the manga scans conform to the spoilers. Gdo01 21:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops just saw that you said that you have manga pics. Gdo01 21:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

When adding info, you have to be able to show it's verified. There's no reason to assume you're correct when you don't supply proof. Nemu 21:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether or not your info is right. It is. I've seen the spoilers, too. The abilities of others to confirm it is what matters. When you act arrogant and assume people should just trust you, the response should not be surprising. Wait for the chapters to be scantalated first. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

i see your point, but i'd rather not give out my sources (because then they wouldn't be "my" sources anymore lol) yet thats the only way i can confirm my info. the reason to assume i'm correct is within my accurate past information, i'll only act "arrogant" when my informatrion is deleted. Wikipedia is about sharing accurate information, which is what i'm doing, even if others can't confirm it until later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punchface (talk • contribs).

Verifiability is an important policy here, so fork up some sources or you're no go. Nemu 22:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

What he said. It's verifiability, not truth. If you insist on boguarding your sources, then you're about as reliable as a guy claiming to have met and interviewed a manga author while he was on the toilet, using toilet paper as a ransom (and yes, I've seen idiots claim this). — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Kishimoto was thinking of what a SSJ5 would look like when he came up with Might Guy. It's true! He told me! ^_^ –Gunslinger47 23:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Luppi

"Gin comments on Luppi during his conversation with Ulquiorra, expressing his sorrow over Luppi's death (they apparently got along well.)"

uhh...did I miss something? I scanned my files and didn't see this. --Chemicalist 13:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe this statement is referring to the newest chapter (264), however, no where in there was anything specifically about Luppi.

Deleting the comment unless someone can prove me wrong. --Finestela 16:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

pocketmofo on mangahelpers translated something that said this. he's not making it up, but i'd still wait for a scanslation to be sure what exactly was said. --Grimjaw 21:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Okie, it's confirmed, that Gin did say the following:

"I felt kind of lonely after Luppi-kun died. We had so much to talk about."

(ルピくん死んでもうて淋しいねんボク　あの子とはよう話合うてたのに)

Here's the scan (from jojohot.com, a Chinese scanlation group of which I'm a member): Gin/Ulquiorra conversation.

The only thing I have left to object about adding this in the article would be... that you can't really tell if Gin is serious or not. He made this comment after telling Ulquiorra that they should be more friendly toward one another... --Finestela 20:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Arroniro Arleri a lier

When I read chapter 244 page 15 where we first see all of the Espada at once, I tried to determine their ranking in the group by looking at where they sat around the table. At the time we knew that Yammy was number 10 and Grimmjow was number 6. I thought that since Yammy was the farest on the right side of the table and Grimmjow was the closet on the right side, I determine that the right side was 10 through 6 and the left side was 5 to 1. But then Arroniro appeared and said he was number 9 and disproved my theory since in my theory he would have been number 5 since he was the farest on the left side. But now in chapter 264 Zaera-Polo Grantz saids he is number 8 which follows my theory since he was sitting in the middle of Yammy and Grimmjow and 8 is in the middle of 10 and 6. So am I crazy or could Arroniro be actually number 5 and not number 9? --Omimon 25 February 2007

There is no reason at this point to suspect that the seating order has significance. Even if your theory was solid, it doesn't matter, since we'd never mention it in the article. –Gunslinger47 17:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I put this here to ask people's opinions and i never said anything about putting it in the article I know nothing is said about it yet, I'm not stupid. --Omimon 25 February 2007

Then you should read WP:TALK. This talk page is not for general discussion, its for discussing what to put it or take out of this article. Gdo01 20:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Arroniro Arleri

I was wondering if it was possible that he wears that mask to prevent people to see his true face. And then when he takes the mask off, he takes the form of a person that the person thinks of dearly. Then somehow he uses those memories to shape his form, Possible? (ReshenKusaga 04:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC))

This isn't a general forum; WP:TALK. Gdo01 04:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Arturo Plateado

Hello,I've seen an error in this section. The traslation of phoenix to spanish is Fénix, not Fenice. I've looked in the dictionary and the word Fenice in spanish means "Fenicio", (I don´t know the traslation to English but it is a man who belongs to a civilization of the Mediterrean sea). However, it is true that the word comes of the latin phoenix. I don't know, how they have written the word in Japan, so I am not going to change the word. (Mardolo on 25 February 2007 21:45)

Grand Fisher pic

Exactly where did the 'pre-arrancar' picture come from? I don't remember seeing it in the anime. MoChan 01:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

thats cuz it wasn't...chapter 25 of the manga: droy, and iceringer rip off grandfishers mask after he loses to ichigo. --Grimjaw 05:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought....it looked like an anime picture, but meh. MoChan 22:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

That picture wasn't in the manga either. // DecaimientoPoético 00:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It was in chapter 25 as mentioned above. I'm thinking the picture here is from the special episode of the GF fight that leaves out the filler. Nemu 00:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

If what Nemu mentioned is the Jump Festa episode, the pre-arrancar picture wasn't there either. Anyway, since the picture is accurate to what is shown in the manga, even if it wasn't actually in the manga, I believe it's alright for it to be there.--Chemicalist 03:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Assuming we know who drew and/or colored it, hence the original question. –Gunslinger47 03:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi! It was me who posted the image. The "pre-arrancar" screenshot came from the opening of Heat the Soul (the first) for PSP. - Access Timeco 17:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Iceringer

Did iceringer and demora appear before lolly and menoly.

iceringer showed up in chapter 25, him and d-roy are the first arrancar we ever see. even before we know what they are...as to whether or not lolly and menoly showed up before demora i have no idea. --Grimjaw 19:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Edorad Leones

im not good at wording it into his part but in B:HTS4(check out the website, he's under partner characters) his hair is half black and half blonde, instead of being half red and half black, they messed up isnt really a good way of saying it i think, but im not good with words so......thanks, lol Maigokunshu 07:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It's most likely because of the fact that the 5 Gillian-class arrancar don't have any color pages, so the anime directors just guessed the color. It also happen to Ichimaru Gin, in which his eyes were red in the anime while a volume cover later revealed they were actually blue.

Oops, I forgot to say the talk page isn't for general discussion. But does anyone think it's worth taking note of in Edorad's part of the article?--Chemicalist 17:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

New names romanization

So...

• SuTa-Ku
• HaRiBeRu
• RiRiNeTo

I go with Lilinett (double T 'cause of the little tsu before To) and Halibell, but no idea to SuTa-Ku... I don't like Stark 'cause is so... english! Ok, Yammy too. Maybe Staaq? - Access Timeco 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Given the Arrancar's theme, wouldn't Stark's non-Japanese sound actually support that being the name? Best to just pick something likely and wait for a cover page, really. --tjstrf talk 21:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hariberu sounds a lot like Halle Berry to me... lol. I looked her up on the Japanese Wikipedia and they spell her name Haru Berii, though, which doesn't give the right sound.. whatever. Anyway!, I'd go with Halibell, Stark, and Lilinet. Two T's at the end of Lilinet doesn't really make a lot of sense since "tto" at the end of a Japanese word is usually for English words that end in T. Kangarugh22 21:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Newly named Espada need own pages

Basically, the header says it all. Whatever you want to call "Halibell" "Stark" or "Lilinet" they definitely need their own pages now. I do have somewhat of an issue with the way in which they appear to be "ranked" on this page, though, how does anyone know they are seeming lower than noitora but higher than grimmjaw? Lacking Lack 06:38, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

As-yet-unrankeds are given an order on the page based on their sequence of introduction. And for at least 2 of the 3 it's true that they are ranked higher than Grimmjow, because the only rank below Grimmjow's to not be revealed is 7. (Which I personally guess will be Noitora, but that's just a hunch.) --tjstrf talk 06:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

To the topic title, I'd disagree. There's very little known about them, hardly enough to warrant a page. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. They will need pages eventually, but not necessarily right now. Wait until they fight or at least reveal some level of detailed info so we can write an article on them.

By the way, if the rule is going to be all Espada get pages, can I go restore Luppi's? --tjstrf talk 06:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm still trying to catch up on parts of the series, but I'd say Luppi has more pageworthy material than these two right now. Hell, Nell probably does. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I've restored it. Could someone please upload a picture of Luppi's released form for the page? I don't have those volumes with me right now and the previous one was deleted for lack of use. I would appreciate it if the uploader also put it at a decent filename rather than the incredibly confusing masses of image names we use now. (Standardizing our image names is probably going to be the last thing that ever happens here, but I sure wish it would...) --tjstrf talk 07:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

So, please, people stop deleting Luppi's article. Is ridiculous the fact that, just 'cause he is dead, he doesn't deverve one. Specially before: "Oh, he's dead, delete it! Oh, wait, he is alive, restore it. Oh, dead, let's go". - Access Timeco 13:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Lilinette's design.

Is it possible that Lilinette's design is based off of Midna from The Legend of Zelda? Her mask seems to be very close in, what with the one eye, and the horns, and her clothing has the same pattern as Midna's fur. Also their personalities seem a bit close. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.150.236.222 (talk) 19:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

Short answer: No. Long answer: It doesn't matter because we are not allowed to insert speculation into articles regardless of their truth or untruth. --tjstrf talk 19:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Unnamed Espada

In the page for the Akatsuki of Naruto, the as-yet unnamed Akatsuki members both have short articles. On the same token, I was wondering if the two unnamed Espada should get a mention on this page. While we know little about either, there's about the same amount of data available for at least one of the aforementioned Akatsuki, so I don't see why they can't at least get a mention. It would, at the least, lend some completeness to the grouping. Thoughts? -- SilverBelial 05:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

we need something to put as a heading...what do u suggest? "that one guy with the thing". and "the black one"? --Grimjaw 06:11, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

How about Unnamed Espada I and Unnamed Espada II? Doesn't seem too hard. I always wondered why we didn't just make little sections for all of them a long time ago. Kangarugh22 03:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Or, Unnamed Espada (Elder) and Unnamed Espada (Dark-Skinned), just to clear it up further? -- SilverBelial 07:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

i have already said on other talk pages whenever we see a zanpakuto i'd make articles for each espada. do we really need to rush it when we know nothing about them. seriously old espadas article right here: he's old he looks like this....thats all we got its like a paragraph at best, and i dragged out il forte into a whole article. same with the big spikey headed dude. just chill a bit, i'm sure we're gonna see something out of em soon enough. its not like they aren't gonna get articles if we don't rush them out. everyone has pretty much already decided they will all get articles, they even gave luppi one again. --Grimjaw 07:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I believe there might have been a slight miscommunication. I don't mean article as in a separate page, I meant more as a subsection on this page, much like Stark and Halibel have. We know approximately the same amount about the two unnamed ones, save obviously for their names, so I was just thinking they should get a mention as well. Still, I understand your reasoning as well, and perhaps waiting is the best course of action. -- SilverBelial 07:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Given the rate at which they've been turning out the Espada, I'd say two or three more weeks will reveal those two. Until then, however, we don't know enough about them to write more than two sentences. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Metastacia

It currently says in his section that when he returned to Hueco Mundo, that his body was analyzed and somehow Kaien got revived and retook control of the body before being consumed by #9 (You know who he is, don't wanna spell it out until its spelling is confirmed somewhere). But since the only confirmation we have of that is #9's assertion of it while wearing Kaien's face, shouldn't that be considered only as part of #9's ploy to lower Rukia's guard? -- Seraphchoir 13:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

He states that the story was true at some point. Nemu 13:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I just reviewed the entire fight between #9 and Rukia and can't find him confirming any part of his original story as true; can you show me where? (I read from the M7 translation) -- Seraphchoir 00:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

It's when he reveals that the body is the true "spirit body" of Kaien, and not just a replication. Nemu 00:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay I've pinpointed it as chapter 267, and I'm reading both the M7 and Blood translations. While it does state that the body is the true spirit body of Kaien, and that all the experiences, memories, "everything" was there, but it doesn't say that Kaien was able to "come in control" of the body. I assume that just means that his experiences, memories, etc was all present within Metastacia's corpse somehow, of which #9 devoured and was able to access at will, but that means #9 devoured Metastacia's corpse, not the somehow-revived Metastacia/Kaien hybrid. -- Seraphchoir 00:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to assume he was lying about those details. There'd be no reason to. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Since at the time he made those statements, Rukia didn't know about #9's abilities, he'd make that statement to lead Rukia into believing the original Kaien (with his original Gotei 13 alignment) was in control, and therefore trust him as the real Kaien. Until #9 attacked Rukia, the ploy worked, so how much of #9's recounting of events is actually credible?

Do I make sense? >_> -- Seraphchoir 04:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but there's still no reason to believe he was lying about the hollow's abilities. In fact, he would have to be telling the truth or something close. How else would he have absorbed Kaien except indirectly? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, I'm not doubting the hollow's abilities, but rather, the part where Kaien's consciousness regained control of the Metastacia/Kaien fusion, *before* it was consumed by #9 -- Seraphchoir 07:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh... *facepalm* Vagued it out so it's not an issue. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Haha sorry for not being very specific earlier >_> -- Seraphchoir 07:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Fracción Arrancar

Should we reorder the Numeros now that we know how the attendant positions work? They're called Flación, by the way. I've already added the info to Lilinette and Tesla's info and have change a little for Lumina and Verona. We now know, though that those two fatties are actually regular hollow Arrancar that ZP modified beforehand. So... should they go with the Numeros or just stay in Hollows even though they really aren't? Well, they aren't Gillians like the Numeros are... so I don't know where to put them now. Kangarugh22 18:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

No they are called Fracción, the Spanish word for fraction. Anyway, I think they should be a sub-heading of the Numeros. Gdo01 18:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I said this in the Hollows discussion, too, but that's some screwed up Spanish if it's supposed to be fracción. It should be written Furakushion. Oh well, it seems like once you wikipedians decide on something, no one can change your minds.Kangarugh22 18:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well Kubo's Spanish is not exactly perfect and certain accents of Spanish do pronounce it as fracion with a soft C. Gdo01 18:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will give it to you that fracción is an actual word. lol The closest thing to flación is "inflación." There is not a root word in there, though, apparently. There are a few instances of it if you search Google for flación, but I still couldn't find a meaning for it.

Inflación[2] means inflation in the economic sense. I don't see anyway that could relate to a position among the arrancar. Gdo01 18:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I know what inflation means. lol I'm saying that, although there is DEflation and INflation, flation by itself is not a word. But, if inflation is an increase invalue and deflation is a decrease in value, couldn't flation on it's own just mean value? I'm not an expert on that kind of thing... Kangarugh22 18:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

No. The term inflation has to do not with value, but rather refers quite literally to an expansion (blowing up, like a balloon) of the money supply. Since -tion is a standard suffix, the root word would be inflate, meaning to fill with air or gas, which itself comes from flate, presumably referring to air (or possibly breath). --tjstrf talk 05:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Grimmjow's Fraccións?

Is there actually any evidence that Grimmjow's team are actually his fraccións (fracción, fracciónes)? --Pentasyllabic 23:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Not really. I'm surprised that noone reverted that part yet. Grimmjow didn't seem to care much about them all dying. He did say something about Rukia killing D-Roy, though. I doubt they are his fracción.Kangarugh22 23:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well given by the definition given by Zaera, they fit the description of fracción. And why would Grimmjow give a damn about their lives anyway? Gdo01 23:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Them being Grimmjow's Fracción makes far more sense than them being "Sexta" Fracción, given that at the time the two things were one and the same. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Unless something actually states it (data books?), it probably shouldn't be assumed. Plus, it really doesn't go along with the whole secrecy thing, and Tosen being angry about five Numeros being dead. If they were truly under his command (in a subordinate type role), it seems it would be at least slightly different. Nemu 23:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well Gin and Aizen didn't give a damn and Tousen is the most uptight of them all. Anyway if they aren't his fracción then all mentions of the other Espada's fraccións should also be removed since they have not been officially been called them. Gdo01 23:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

No one has been officially called that, but Tesla and Lilinette are kinda obviously Noitora and Stark's Fracciones respectively. Just seeing Tesla protect Noitora is proof of that. They (including Halibel's Fracción who we don't have a name for)follow their leader around even in Hueco Mundo. Shawlong, Edorad, Ilfort, D-Roy, and Nakim didn't really seem to look up to Grimmjow, but rather just followed whatever orders he gave them. Shawlong seemed to think he was better than Grimmjow in a way since he is the oldest. Also, since the Espada handpick their Fracción, I doubt Grimmy would pick someone like D-Roy who everyone called a piece of shit. Kangarugh22 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

We have no evidence that the Fraccion concept had even been invented yet at that point in the series, therefore we would need explicit confirmation (via databook) to say that they were Fraccion. --tjstrf talk 04:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Nakim

He speaks twice; once to respond to Matsumoto's question, and again when he realized Matsumoto was still alive.

New Arrancar

Should we add the arrancar (the one with all the clones) that was introduced in the recent filler episodes. I forgot what his name was exactly.