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Some of these claims are false, and are criminal offences under Canadian criminal law, and the U.N, and the U.S

The so called Macedonian Canadians were in fact people with very strong Bulgarian national identity up until the 1960s, when the Yugoslav Macedonians, trained by Tito came in. They started the so called ethnic Macedonian community and started the spreading of Titoist propaganda in the so called Macedonian language, which is in fact a western Bulgarian dialect. Before this, all immigrants from Macedonia called themselves Bulgarians from Macedonia. All documents of their first churches- Sts. Cyril and Methody and St. George are written in literary Bulgarian, as well as the documents of the benevolent associations, MPO, The Macedonian Tribune, etc. Macedonians are not an ethnic nation. Macedonians are a political nation, because Macedonia is a geographic region and even in the country itself (FYROM), there are many ethnic groups- Bulgarians, Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, Serbs... Thry are all Macedonians, because they are Macedonian citizens, but they are not Macedonian as an ethnicity, because such an ethnicity does not exist. The so called Macedonian ethniciy and language were promoted for first time by the Comintern in the 1930s and then by Tito after 1944. Later on, the new Macedonians started to claim Greek and Bulgarian ethnic figures to overcome their inferiority complex due to lack of history and the fact that all their heroes from the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, such as Miladinov Brothers, Goce Delchev, Dame Gruev, etc. had a very strong Bulgarian national identity and they used only literary Bulgarian. All documents of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization are also written in literary Bulgarian. But all these facts are pretty inconvenient for the Skopje authorities and that is why they prefer to re-publish the Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarians by the 19th c. Bosnian folkorist Stefan Verkovic merely as Macedonian Folk Songs. The policy in FYROM is in all possible documents and monuments the word Bulgarian to be dropped or replaced with Macedonian. They also try to do the same in Canada. The so called First Macedonian Church Sts. Cyril and Methody, bult in 1910 is still with its original name that is Sts. Cyril and Methody Macedono-Bulgarian Church, because according to its original protocols, written in Bulgarian, it is built by Bulgarian immigrants from Macedonia. Krum Pindoff, stated as a Macedonian Canadian is actually a Bulgarian Canadian, that has always claimed a Bulgarian identity. The name Krum is the name of the Bulgarian khan Krum, that ruled Bulgaria in its pre-Christian period.

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Colorized version, Bulgarian flag clearly visible. [1]. The church is definitely Bulgarian. Mr. Neutron 18:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's some irony, isn't it --Laveol T 18:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Yeah, and the same picture still says first macedonian church in Canada. Uuttyyrreess 18:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it is colorized from the original, so that on can see the "Macedonian" caption is a fake. Mr. Neutron 19:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The original caption says it was under a Russian archbishop, so they could be Russian Flags Uuttyyrreess 19:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They both look the same if Black and white Uuttyyrreess 19:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

False. The blue of the Russian flag is much darker than the green of the Bulgarian flag. The middle band of the Bulgarian flag is slightly brighter than the bottom band, corresponding to the brigntness in the picture. Mr. Neutron 19:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The bottom line is that they were Macedonians from Macedonia who built the Church under the Bulgarian Orthodox Church with a Russian Archbishop. It might have been a joint church with Macedonians-Bulgarians-Russians, but it was built by Macedonians. It wasn't until later that macedonians built there churches under the Macedonian Orthodox Church after becoming independent, but before that the built their churches under Bulgarian, Serbian, And Russian Churches. Uuttyyrreess 19:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you say it was a Bulgarian church now - finally. By the way why did you say you were Bulgarian on my talk page? I've being wondering for some time now and finally got to asking you --Laveol T 19:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Russian flag"? It was not in use then. Try the flag of the Russian Empire. . Mr. Neutron 19:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
it was in use, try Flag of the Russian Empire 1883-1917 Uuttyyrreess 19:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BTW you could stop switching accounts now, we already know you're the same person. Uuttyyrreess 19:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, we are different. You should know, because you created 3 accounts in a single day. And by the way, even so, I dont see any "Macedonian flags" being waved, just Bulgarian, possibly Russian. Mr. Neutron 19:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


What was wrong with the picture this time, it was according to the caption Uuttyyrreess 20:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The caption is fake, that is whats wrong. Mr. Neutron 20:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
even the bottom part? Uuttyyrreess 20:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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