Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

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Pre-Relase Leftovers?

I used some gameshark codes on my Oot on my N64 and i founded some leftovers of Beta/Pre-relase of OOT

• Rauru talking about see zelda on temple of time insead impa, maybe after beat beta-temple of light, before rauru gives beta light medallion, the game frezzes
• Sheik on kakariko village talking with link about the shadow spirit and shadow spirit aparears and attack sheik (wow! sound effects of sheik with damage!)
• Part 2 of before beta cutsense, with sheik learing noctune of shadow to link
• What the!?!?!? Burning Death mountain "volcano"?!?!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.17.231.220 (talk • contribs) .

__*These are remains from an earlier version, or possiby functions that would be called with the N64DD. --HarroSIN 07:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

____* No way, it dont have logic... I founded also the rauru leftovers on Master quest(a.k.a 64DD zelda) and frozen too...

Actually, the Master Quest and 64DD version are 2 different versions of OOT, even though Nintendo claimed them to be the same.

Marikthechao 21:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Marik the Chao Marikthechao 21:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Chronology inconsistency

The following is stated in the introduction of this article: "In 2003, Ocarina of Time was re-released as a bonus disc for those who pre-ordered The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker." In the The Legend of Zelda series article, however, it is stated that this version was released already in 2002. --pred 23:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words?

"It is widely considered one of the best games of all time. Some argue that it is the greatest game ever made, and has been featured in numerous Top 100 greatest games lists."

These sound like weasel words to me. Things like "...is widely regarded as..." and "Some argue..." are considered weasel words and really shouldn't be in Wikipedia articles. The article is supposed to have a neutral point of view.

For more on what weasel words are, click one the following: WP:WEASEL Link2086 15:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

If that's your criteria for slapping a "weasel words" template on an article, you're going to be quite busy branding that all over Wikipedia. More articles feature such "weasel words" than have this template, which leads me to believe that that particular aspect of WP:WEASEL is not enforced very well.

Not accusing you of anything, but this strikes me as trying to find trouble where there isn't.24.161.186.145 04:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The first sentence of the weasel-wording page says it's a matter of tryign to give statements authority without actually referencing them to some authority. Saying that OoT is widely considered the best game ever would be weael wordign if you didn't give specific examples of some notable publications or peopel that said htat, but this is referenced, so it's just fine. I'm deleting the tag. Ace of Sevens 04:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Ariana Hoax

The hoax was actually an in-house production from the staff at Hyrule: The Land of Zelda, and not them being fooled by someone else. They created the screenshots in Photoshop and then projected them onto TV with video out equipment, which was somewhat rare back in 1998. Not really that important, but interesting to know.

• http://www.htloz.net/archives/htloz/2001/zelda5/templelight.jpg The infamous Temple of Light screenshot
• http://www.khakain.com/wiki2/images/4/4b/ARIANA_CUT2_ORIGINAL.jpg The same screenshot, but before being projected on TV

71.198.235.198 04:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

WOW! a image on a TV can foolish many peoples, its'n? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.17.229.69 (talk • contribs) .

Record Completion Time

Is it worth adding the world record completion time of the game? I'm pretty sure that the actual world record is held by Mike 'TSA' Damiani, as detailed here: http://speeddemosarchive.com/OcarinaOfTime.html — Adamgritt 13:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I like it. Possibly only as a side-note, though. But so long as the link is added, it should be okay. And interesting. 66.177.246.101 22:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Anonymous

Weight?

Has anyone noticed that the cartridge is a bit... heavier than other games? It might just be mine, but it definitely weighs more... DarkLink Metroid 05:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It might be that gold plastic weighs more than gray plastic. Jaxad0127 16:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

No, I have the gray v 1.2 cartridge. DarkLink Metroid 15:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

if you can't find anything on the internet about it, then publish it on a blog or something and reference your findings. (no original research, remember) although i think a small fact like that isnt neccecary to add to the article...

just browsing this article, i'm smelling alot of fancruft...Blueaster 09:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

My cartridge was the gray one, and I noticed that when there was no saved data on it, it was pretty light. But when there was even one save file all the way to the end, the cartridge weighed at least three grams more than if not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Onigiriman (talk • contribs) 01:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

ridiculously long summary

we need to cut it down to what's appropriate for a wikipedia article 24.13.192.86 09:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It might be in part of my laziness to check, but what is the requirement for a Wikipedia article? Blizpeak

If you're referring to an article layout, there is not set layout. Length standards on Wikipedia are only an object of the mind, and nothing more. We do not have to worry about the length of the article. --DavidHOzAu 05:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

yea, but....

"The Nupedia FAQ rightly warned about taxing a reader's patience with rambling prose, but detailed subtopics and sub-subtopics enrich Wikipedia with information. There is no reason why there shouldn't be a page for every Simpsons character, and even a table listing every episode, all neatly cross-linked and introduced by a shorter central page."

"Of course, a 100-page thesis on poker is useless to someone who merely needs an article summarizing the basic rules and history of the game. The purpose of a normal encyclopedia is to provide the reader a brief overview of the subject, while a reference book or text book can explain the details."

It's just that, IMO, the plot section is a bit too long to be practical. Who's going to read all that? Blueaster 06:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The points that should be covered are, in my opinion: The Deku Tree, Meeting Zelda, Mentioning that the other two stones were found (no more detail than that), Getting the Ocarina of Time, Opening the Temple (and letting Ganondorf get the triforce), Finding the sages (no more than saying "He goes to find the sages, each in their respective temples), sealing Ganon away, and then returning to his original time (leading into Majora's Mask). We definitely don't need to mention details about each temple. Any objections to a judicial trimming? Fieari 02:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I just cut it down to about half its previous length a few weeks a go. I wanted to make it shorter, but I also wanted to keep in the summary characters that recur throughout the series, to give additional context to readers (the Zoras, Jabu-Jabu, Impa, Twinrova come to mind). Certainly you are welcome to take a whack at it some more. Sraan 21:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

new age

can u guys put a before and afer links age? Mr.Willison 11:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not too sure. As addressed earlier in the discussion, there doesn't seem to be quite enough agreement on the age differences, though many believe it to be 10 as a child; 17 as an Adult.

Off subject, but I added that OoT was the first game to feature Link as an Adult clearly, assuming that he wasn't already adult in the SNES games. Correct me if I'm wrong.

66.177.246.101 22:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

Possible Solution to "plot problem"

The plot is long no doubt. So why don't we have a seperate article for the plot. Have a link to the new page where the plot is on this page. Again, just a possible solution.

User:wittj

I believe that is unnecessary. As it is, the plot can definitely be trimmed. This isn't a plot summary; it's more of a step-by-step explanation of all events in the game. --Tristam 18:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Plot summary

Here is a prototype for a somewhat more condensed plot. It is a little more than half the length, although still perhaps too long. Please edit as needed and I will post it sometime if we like it.Sraan 16:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I went ahead and edited it in - please fix it up. It especially needs a lot of wiki links in the second half. Sraan 00:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Level Select

Cadohacan found a level select in both OOT and MM. Is this worth mentioning? It's here: http://kodewerx.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3116 Dlong 07:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why the Fire Temple controversy should be in the Music section

I strongly believe that the Fire Temple controversy should be in the Music section. If it is not, people might see it in the differences and think, "Why wasn't this in the Music section?". Well, if they think hard enough, but still. It is an important part of the history of the game's music and should be in that section. I have edited the article to put the Fire Temple stuff in the music section. If anyone objects, please tell me a good reason why it should not be in there. I can't think of one.

Marikthechao 23:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Marik the Chao Marikthechao 23:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The music section should describe the game's music, while the differences section should describe the changes between the version and why they were made. Those passages don't describe the music, they describe the reasons the music was changed. — Jaxad0127 15:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It's still related to the music, therefore it should be there. We could put it in both sections, though; the music section could just put more detail on what the music is like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marikthechao (talk • contribs)

Except it doesn't add anything to the music section. That section is already comprehensive enough with out describing in detail the Fire Temple music. — Jaxad0127 17:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

So even if the fact about the fire temple is just mentioned shortly.

Where can I read more about that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.187.254.152 (talk • contribs).

Restructuring sections

I did a fairly big restructuring of the sections and content, to see if I could make everything flow a little better. Virtually all of the previous content is still in the article but some of it is in different places, trying to use a more standard plot->gameplay->development->versions->reception->impact and legacy format. Please let me know here if there are problems with it. Hopefully this helps resolve some of the music controversy, because music is now part of the development section (which should discuss how the music was created), placing the discussion of the controversy squarely as the responsibility of the "Versions" section. Sraan 20:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

lol spoiler tags?

This game came out YEARS ago and thus is not necessary to recieve spoiler tags. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.31.201 (talk • contribs)

Please post new messages at the bottom of a talkpage. -- RattleMan 02:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I've been under the impression from discussions at WP:CVG that spoiler tags are not needed for any sections clearly labeled as "plot" etc, because they obviously would contain spoilers. Many people are against the tags for any reason, but I agree they are redundant and against the purpose of Wikipedia in this case. Sraan 05:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I just started the game recently and havent finished yet. Just because its old dosen't mean everyone has played it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.38.99.188 (talk) 22:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

I agree there are many people who may pick the game up on the internet or at retailer so just because the game is old does not mean it should not have spoiler tags. Kou Nurasaka 16:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Delisted of Good Article

I realize many of the people editing and viewing the article are either good fans or hold their editing highly. This is why I have to ask you to let those feelings aside, and understand why this should not be a Good Article without letting your opinion on the game hinder you - remember, this is about the article, not the game. I will explain all the violations of what a good article is.

• The article is not fully comprehensible to non-specialists. I will only deconstruct the lead just to inform of the problems.

• "he must go on a quest to stop a "dark stranger" who lays a curse on the tree".

Why? Is this tree important? What is the tree for? It needs to be lightly explained without the reader having to click the link.

• "to help save Hyrule from destruction by the forces of evil."

What is Hyrule? Who are the forces of evil? Why are they destructing Hyrule?

• There are lists in the "Characters" and "Leftovers" section.

• There are very few sources - there are no sources in the Story and Gameplay sections. Because of the article's size, this is a big problem.

• There are a lot of unnecessary details. The plot is far too long, it needs to be summarized. The "Leftovers" section needs to be truncated, and the "Triforce rumors" section goes unnecessarily in-depth.

• This article is definitely not neutral point of view. Here are some examples.

• "due to its groundbreaking graphics ... ingenious puzzles and breath-taking story."
• "Koji Kondo, Nintendo's famed in-house composer."
• "gained a ferocious amount of hype before release"
• "Very few were disappointed with the game, something which is a startling rarity in gaming"
• "Many gamers, especially Nintendo fans, would argue that no game since Ocarina has matched its classic standard."

• There are no images describing gameplay, but far too many images describing minor things like "hidden" items and pictures of both the box AND the cartridge.

• There are no image rationales or sources.

I hope these problems can be fixed. When editing, try to think that no one has played the game and that your life depends on explaining it. --TheEmulatorGuy 00:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I came to this article to try to find out why my wife loves this game so much (I've never played it and find no interest in games featuring child-heroes). The plot summary makes the game seem rediculous. Link seems to have little motivation for doing anything. It sounds like a heavily linear game where you simply "do the next thing" for no other reason than "you're supposed to." It also seems like the game has glaring plot holes, because of its time traveling in particular. For "one of the best games ever made" according to any number of Wikipedia articles, I'm very unimpressed. I am thus left to conclude that either a.) people love this game in spite of its story (quite possible, as many games feature "porn movie quality plots") or b.) the story summary sucks and the game isn't as dumb as this article makes it sound. :) RobertM525 02:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

RobertM525, to be plain, it's option B. The story summary here is terrible, the Zelda games are not. I must tell you, they are very good, perhaps the best I've ever played. The summary, however, makes this game, and in effect the whole series, look like a cheaply knocked-together low-budget title... Basically, the summary makes the game look hundreds of times worse than it actually is. -Cat Lover

Spoilers without any spoiler tags?

While you expect spoilers from the plot section it is not tagged with a spoiler warning. Not that most would need it but it is standard on pretty much all articles that reveal plot. Should it be included?Bride of lister 20:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually it is generally not considered standard in sections that are clearly labeled as "plot", "story", or anything else that would clearly have spoilers in it. And some Wikipedians are against spoiler tags altogether because Wikipedia is not censored, and spoiler tags are un-encyclopedic in tone. There is much debate about it, so read on at places like Wikipedia_talk:Spoiler_warning. Sraan 21:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not standard on "articles that reveal plot" at all. Lower-quality articles are normally given spoiler tags because they are not moderated by an editor familiar with consensus. Take a look at any video game featured article - it probably won't have spoiler tags. --TheEmulatorGuy 23:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

EmulatorGuy, while you're here, where do I find the manual of style for CVG articles? I looked on the WP:CVG page, and it gives some guidelines for content, but nothing I could find stated a definite order of sections. I've looked at a lot of featured articles, some place Gameplay first, then Plot, others do it othe other way around (though not as many, admittedly). Personally I think the plot section being first helps set the reader up for what the gameplay is about. Anyhow, I was just wondering. Sraan 02:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there is one. However, WikiProject Final Fantasy has one (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Final_Fantasy/Manual_of_style) and they've contributed the bulk of CVG Featured Articles. The reason gameplay is first is because (as noted by video game) it is most important. For a non-specialist to understand (which is a requirement for articles) it'd be a good idea to have gameplay first. Fans and players of the game will obviously not want to know about gameplay first, but the article is not written for them in mind. --TheEmulatorGuy 03:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to warn you, I just made some changes to the section you were asking about. What was previously there was by no means true - none of the articles use it. Regardless, Gameplay was alreadu placed before Story which (I believe) was the problem. --TheEmulatorGuy 03:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Good info, thanks. I noticed that you mentioned the it is consensus that trivia sections not be added. On the WP:CVG, it actually says that trivia should be kept to a minimum depending on the circumstances. I wondered if you could tell me where the consensus against trivia sections was decided. I'm not trying to argue in favor of trivia, I just want to know what the true consensus is. Sraan 23:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sage of Wisdom?

Sorry if this is an obvious question or has been previously discussed, but has it been stated anywhere that Zelda is the Sage of Wisdom? Seeing as Wisdom is one of the parts of the Triforce, and Power and Courage are not represented by Sages, it seems more likely that she may be the Sage of Time (due to her being able to see into the future, as well as being close in proximity to the Temple of Time, as the other Sages were rather close to their Temples). However, seeing as she has not gotten an official title in how many years, she is probably just a Sage with no affinity, and is simply the leader.

67.149.100.26 04:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Zelda was reffered to as the "Seventh Sage" in-game, though I can't remember when that was exactly. Another thing to note is the six sages were sages of some type of element. Can "wisdom" be considered an element? I can imagine the sage of fire blasting fire at enemies, but can one shoot "wisdom"? Just a random thought. Then again, if she is the Sage of Wisdom, that would mean there is also a Sage of Courage and Power (ie Link and Ganondorf). 67.142.130.24 21;23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, here's some relevant lines from a text dump of Ocarina of Time. It's a great source for getting information direct when you need to know what was said in-game. There's one such text dump at http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=74465&rid=68842 - I'm sure it'll make a perfect article source as well. It's out of order, but searching for specific words or phrases from memory works fine.

But to answer the question above - according to the text dump, at no point in OoT is Zelda given a title - so unless a designer has revealed it somewhere, I'm afraid her title is speculation, original research, and can't be included in the article. But here are the main lines that reveal her as a sage:

"If all six Sages come together, we can imprison Ganondorf, the King of Evil, in the Sacred Realm. But, in order to make a perfect seal, we need the seventh Sage. Someone you know must be that Sage, Link..."

and later on:

"The one who holds the Triforce of Courage is... You, Link! And the other, who holds the Triforce of Wisdom... is the seventh Sage, who is destined to be the leader of them all... It is I, the Princess of Hyrule, Zelda."

Hope this helps! --Terpoma 14:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

first in timeline

shouldnt it be noted that this is the first in the timelime as told in an interview with a guy from nintendo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.239.231.69 (talk • contribs).

FA push

I'd really like to see this article featured. Anyone else interested in an FA push? It's already in above average shape, it just needs to cleanup, research, and expansion. — Deckiller 03:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite shocked that nobody wants to improve this article to Featured Article status. — Deckiller 12:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Very well. — Deckiller 12:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Title screen music

"The opening theme is a remix of the "warp whistle" theme from the original 1986 title Super Mario Bros. 3." Um, the warp whistle music was first used in the 1986 title The Legend of Zelda. SMB3 came out in 1988 and happened to use the same music for the whistle/recorder/whatever. :P --Guess Who 02:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Europian/PAL Early Release

There was a very early released version of the game for PAL (European) territories that had some differences between the rest versions. As far as I know this version was given to magazines (for reviewing/walkthrought purposes) and the very first people who bought the game.

As far as I can remember the differences of this version are: 1. Some heart pieces are placed on different places (one of these places is the roof of the kokiri shop). 2. Link sometimes holds the master short differently when he draws it from the pedstal on the temple of time.

IT is certain that there are other differences too but I obviously don't recall them all. I have played and finished this version of the game since a friend of mine's owns it and lent it to me before I got my own (ordinary) copy of the game.

Editing the article with information about this version would lead to the deletion of my changes so I found it a better option to post about it instead. This might help finding more people who have some information about this version, plus it will help the regular editors to verify this piece of information. 87.203.175.75 13:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Songs

Hey guys, is there a way we could list the names of all of the songs in the game here? Specifically the names of the Ocarina Tunes played in the game? I was looking for this information and I thought this would be a great place to get that info, but it wasn't here. :-/ Thanks. AnujSuper9 18:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Check out Songs from The Legend of Zelda series#Ocarina of Time. Pagrashtak 19:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Image for the versions?

I feel that an image with the Mirror shields from versions 1.0 and 1.2 compared side-by-side would help the Versions section, would anyone be willing to do that? Or perhaps maybe two screenshots of gannon's blood from the two versions

Master Quest/Collector's Edition controls

The article notes that these two versions of OoT are emulated rather than ports, but what about the controls? Are they remapped specifically to the 'Cube controller, or is there some fudging going on, as with the Virtual Console release? For example, does the top-right in-game button layout still show the N64 layout, or has it been changed to reflect the 'Cube's layout? Kelvingreen 23:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you be a bit more clear? What's wrong with the Virtual Console version? On the Gamecube, the only changes made to the game was dialogue; mentions of the Z button has been changed to L, I don't see any other changes to the ROM image. No HUD changes or anything. Still shows the C-buttons. - Zero1328 _Talk? 04:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the Virtual Console Talk page, the controls have been remapped for that version, so I was just wondering if they'd been remapped on this version, and if so, whether it was something worthy of inclusion in the article? Kelvingreen 09:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Back to the first topic, no. The button remapping is done wrong. X, Y, Z, and C stick Up, are now used for the songs. This had me very confused for at least the first two dungeons when attempting to play a song. Nintendo kinda failed when they emulated this game. Oh and I'm talking about the GCN verison rather than the Wii. Kou Nurasaka 2:27, 23 May 2007

Plot Summary has demographics.

The Plot Summary in this article has a very well written description of the demographics of Hyrule. Is this the place to put this, or would it be more appropriate for it to simply have links to the articles on the races and places of Ocarina of Time? Bucky 16:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I've let this go for 13 days now, with no response. I'm gonna go ahead and remove the section in question. If you don't like it, feel free to revert it, then let me know of your objections here. Bucky 05:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

The Arwing is Real

The Arwing enemy is very real. It is a complex hack, but can be done with a gameshark. The enemies in Zelda 64 are called "actors", and there is an Arwing actor in the game that can replace another actor. In the case of the video, I believe it replaces the child trying to pull weeds. Reguardless, it is real. I've seen it in action first hand. 65.96.46.49 16:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)_{Subscript text}

It looks like someone removed it recently. I went and put it back in. - Zero1328 _Talk? 23:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone removed it again, but when I try to do it the game freezes 68.38.135.139 18:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed again. It's very easy for someone to make a typo in entering the code. Also, make sure you're using the correct code. - Zero1328 _Talk? 04:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Shadow Temple

I have heard from numerous people that Shadow Temple was supposed to come after Spirit Temple. Is this true? When I played the game I beat Shadow Temple first, then the Spirit Temple. Also, the Shadow Temple medallion comes before the Spirit Temple Medallion. So which temple was intended by the creators of the game to come first? Rayman123 23:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes the Shadow Temple is actually supposed to come before the Spirit, but you can play them in whatever order you like if you've got the skills to. Anyways, the Shadow Temple comes first because if you play through the game and listen to Navi's hints after you beat the water temple, she'll tell you to go to Kakariko Village. This of course leads up to the scene with Sheik and the darkness from the well, and you learn the Nocturne of Shadow. Add in, that the Shadow Medallion does come first, and it's obvious that the Shadow was meant to be first. It IS possible to beat the Spirit Temple first though. The only thing that you would need the Hover Boots for is to collect a floating silver ruppee in one of the first rooms of the Spirit Temple. However, you can still overcome this obstacle, by carefully timing your jump into a rolling boulder giving you a sort of boost when it hurts you, sending you straight into the silver ruppee and allowing you to go on. Link's Awakening 05:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you that Shadow Temple was supposed to come before Spirit Temple. And I do recall all that you have stated, which leaves me with one question. Why did the Spirit Medallion come before the Shadow Medallion? If you look at this screenshot you can see the gold medallion before the purple one, the purple medallion being of course the Shadow Temple medallion. http://internal.tbi.net/~max/tf-2.jpg. Rayman123 17:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

1.1 Gold Cartridges?

Is there a source for the claim that 1.1 gold carts were produced that could be added to the article? If not, is it okay for me to add a fact template? 24.159.39.11 04:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Talon/Ingo to Mario/Luigi Relation

I'm sorry, but I don't see any connection between these two sets of characters except that they have moustaches. Who put this in? Zakwiz 16:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Because there has been no response to my comment and there was no reference for the statement in question, I have deleted it. Zakwiz 13:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Found a citation!

I found a website that talks about the Wind and Ice Medallions (http://zso.krahs-emag.com/ > Beta Zelda 64 > Beta Items/Medallions), but I don't know how to make a citation. 67.164.35.55 18:12, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate-ness...

Okay, I've recently noticed a few things that could frighten/ persuade children. If you go into the scary one-eyed man's poe shop, look to the left of his bed, and you'll find three or four bottles of wine. Also, in the Jabu-Jabu's belly level, the boss falls apart, and blood flies right out of it's body, and onto the floor. There's also blood there when you attack any of the walls in the same dungeon. There's a halo on Dampe's head as well. And has anyone else noticed the frequent use of the word "kill"? There's much more blood in this game, as there's some on the Deku Babas, and there's a TON of blood in the Shadow Temple. There's blood all over the walls, on the floors, and on some of the monsters. Speaking of monsters, the Dead Hand was just extremely terrifying, and was inappropriate for an E rated game. That must be the scariest thing I've ever seen. There's also blood all over it...which automatically makes it inappropriate for this game. See what I mean? Still, I've only begun to explain the explicit content in this game...

You're kidding, right? DurinsBane87 04:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean about Dead Hand, no. About everything else, no. Check for yourself. Let me change my explanation a little. The bottles of wine could be bottles of ancient soda, but I doubt it. Barinade's blood is green and Jabu-Jabu's blood is blue (but it's still blood!). Dampe's halo is adorable, and the people who use the word kill usually use it comically. The Deku Babas have blood around their big mouths, and, well, the Shadow Temple stuff I can't really change, and Dead Hand really is scary. After watching Jaws and Dead Hand...my dreams were awful. So, now do you see?

I'm sorry, Dead Hand creeped me out, but Barninade and Jabu Jabu's "blood" was far from scary or even gross. But regardless, this isn't a forum, this page is for discussing the article, so unless you want to discuss adding a section about it's "inappropriateness," (which most likely won't work), this isn't the place for it. DurinsBane87 05:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

But that IS what I was planning, so, um, a little advice? Or better, suggestions? What other inappropriate things were in the game that YOU may have noticed?

I really don't think any of it was inapropriate, and i don't think it's encyclopedic. Especially since this is the first complaint i've heard about it. DurinsBane87 05:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Argh. Well, I do. It states some facts, and most of them (counting out Dead Hand), are not my point of view.

Well, if you can find third-party reliable sources about it, then ok. But until then, I'd keep it out. DurinsBane87 05:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Excuse my stupidity, but, what's a third-party reliable source?