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Trivia Section

Once it's opened for editing again we should release a triva section. One thing that could be added is the fact that the book came out ten years after the release of the first.

WP:TRIV 17Drew 23:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. The "this book came out X years after the first" thing is a very good reason not to have a trivia section. Ever. Crap should be kept out of articles, not given a little place of its own. --Tony Sidaway 00:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Quite against it, I see. I do not think articles need trivia sections. Articles that do have trivia sections have a tag that says to merge the information. --Isis4563(talk) 00:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Another trivia thing is that in the Canadian version (with this cover: http://blog.pennlive.com/poprocks/medium_pottercover3.jpg), the book is the exact same number of pages as the edition of the Half Blood Prince in the same format (http://onlineshop.rnib.org.uk/local_images/publications/zoomimages/TC21124B.jpg). 607 pages
And how is that not totally irrelevant? SURELY we should not be advocating the creation of a Trivia section? If it's notable, put it in the article. If it isn't, don't bother with it. --Dave. 10:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

German translation

Point it out on the German Interwiki - It doesn't really do much here. Reputation Talk 13:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think 84.131... meant to move the article on de.wp - that happened yesterday already - but to update the interwiki link on this page accordingly (which I did earlier today). --Dapeteばか 14:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
exactly, the Article moved in the German Wikipedia, as an IP I was not able to correct the Interwiki myself. thanks --84.131.220.162 17:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Nope. "Harry Potter und die Kammer des Schreckens" can also mean "Harry Potter and the Chamber of the Ancient Evil". Schrecken has an old German meaning associated with anything dark and evil (ghosts, the devil and the like).

Dumbledore scandal

I know that the summary needs to be trimmed, but it should mention the mystery surrounding the Dumbledore family, which does affect serveral charcters' motivations. CharlesTheBold 19:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It is important, but not important enough. IMO, its place is in Dumbledore's article. It gives the motivation for Dumbledore's search for the Deathly Hallows, but this subplot (as well as the involvement of Grindelwald) is glossed over in the synopsis. The important parts are the trio going into hiding, the search for the Horcruxes, an explanation of the Deathly Hallows, and the final battle. Everything else can be explained elsewhere. chgallen 19:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Not exactly. Dumbledore going after the Hallows with Grindewald lead up to Grindewald getting the Elder Wand, which ended up in Dumbledore getting it, to Draco (Voldemort thought Snape, which lead to Snape's death), to Harry, and ended with Voldemort's death because the Elder Wnad refused to kill its master. That plot is very important as I have shown. (note: the same thing killed Voldemort that created Priori Incantantem in the fourth book, also important) Rembrant12 22:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
It is explained that Dumbledore has the Elder Wand. How he gets hold of it is backstory, and the plot synopsis must be kept short. From Dumbledore, it's path is described. By all means put this information in a different article, but it's place is not here. "the same thing killed Voldemort that created Priori Incantantem in the fourth book, also important." I don't understand this - the dual want cores were irrelevant, it was the Elder Wand's allegiance that killed Voldemort. chgallen 22:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

No it is but an important coincidence worthy of at least recognition. Harry: "Expelliarmus" Voldemort: "Avada Kedavra". Like the fourth book. Also Harry refused to use the killing curse. Rembrant12 23:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I have created a subplot page from which you are very welcome to work on. Here is the link: Harry Potter (subplots)

I have been forced to move the page so here is its new location: User:Rembrant12/Subplots . Rembrant12 00:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone please fit this into the main page for it is very relevant.:

Dumbledore had a very disfunctional family. His sister, Ariana, going crazy after being beaten by Muggles for doing magic in her childhood years. Their Azkaban prisoner father who saught revenge on the muggles who attacked Ariana. Their mother who dealt with much stress and died. His brother Aberforth who was imprisoned for a short while for illegal charms on a goat (mentioned in fourth book). Under these conditions Dumbledore was, understandably, exstatic to find an equal, Gellert Grindewald, who was able to bring Dumbledore over to a part of thinking Dumbledore was already thinking, that wizards have the power, therefor the responsibility to rule muggles as to prevent another incident like that of poor Ariana. Before gathering followers, Dumbledore and Grindewald set out to find the Deathly Hallows. 3 objects, the perfect Invisibility Cloak, the Ressurection Stone, and the Elder Wand, all created by the 3 Peverall brothers. The Elder Wand, otherwise known as the Deathstick or the Wand of Destiny, was said to be the "unbeatable" wand, and that the possesser of the Wand would control power beyond their wildest dreams. Unfortunetly, or fortunetly, before Dumbledore or Grindewald ever began their search a duel started between Aberforth, Grindewald, and Dumbledore. Ariana supposedly wanted to help and was killed in the process. Grindewald fled and was able to find and take the Elder Wand from its previous owner, the wand maker Gregorovitch. Dumbledore then defeated Grindewald and took the Wand. Draco Malfoy then was able to win the Wand from Dumbledore the night when Snape killed Dumbledore. Voldemort was able to take the Wand from Dumbledore's tomb and believing its master was Snape, had Nagini kill Snape. Yet it the Wand was Harry's for Harry was able to disarm Draco then winning the alleigance of the Elder Wand. The Wand refused to kill its master and Voldemort's killing curse rebounded upon him, thus killing him.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rembrant12/Subplots" Rembrant12 00:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Add it to Dumbledore, Gellert Grindelwald and/or Harry Potter (character). This is not the place. chgallen 09:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Rembrandt, there isn't enough room for everything that is relevant to be included in the article. We'd duplicate the book eventually. A lot is going to have to be left out. Claudia 17:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Not agreed. I believe that it is very relevant. More relevant the snatchers catching them and going to Malfoy Manor. More relevant and better that the explanation of the Hallows that we have now. This one shows the good connection between the Wand and Voldemort's death, and talks about the other 2 Hallows also. This is very relevant, NOT RELEVANT info, but VERY relevant information. Rembrant12 18:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Did we Decide...

Did we decide that the word "Horcrux" should always be capitalized? If we did, why? Is that how Rowling always uses it? (I have no books handy) If we didn't, may I suggest that we place the word into the lower case? I see that the horcrux page itself capitalizes it always too, so maybe we should keep it that way for consistency. But if Rowling doesn't capitalize it, we shouldn't either, should we? Can someone let me know if she does or not? Thanks! Stanselmdoc 13:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I know that she capitalises stuff like Disarming Spell etc., but having no books handy I can't say about Horcrux. I'd bet she does though. Someone with a book, check. chgallen 13:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I've checked, and Rowling does capitalise Horcrux, so we do as well. Lilac Soul 14:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, Wikipedia article pages are limited to capitalized titles, pages with subjects with lower case first letters usually do, and should have, it stated under the title. Paolobueno 15:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't see how your comment is relevant here, but it is absolutely possible to create a Wikipedia article with a non-capitalized title. Lilac Soul 15:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I've checked and confirmed that possibility, it seems it is a Wikipedia feature newer than my last attempts at editing...[1]Paolobueno 16:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I'm glad I didn't jump the gun and place them all into the lower case. Stanselmdoc 14:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

those redirects...

  • Just curious. When I type in "Deathly Hollows" it takes me directly to this page. When using the correct spelling ("Deathly Hallows"), however, it takes me to a disambiguation page. Obviously not a big deal, but it does seem a little odd to me. Shouldn't they both point to the same place? --whit rink
  • Cured. Anthony Appleyard 16:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Last thoughts of dying men

Should it be mentioned that Harry's last thoughts before being hit by Voldemort's curse go to Ginny, and that Snape, dying, asks Harry to look at him, probably to look into his (Lily's) eyes?

No, probably not. --Ali'i 18:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The Snape-thing's interesting, though...Never thought about that before.
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