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Article losing focus

I feel this article is losing focus in a major way. It is supposed to be about Ron Paul the person, but more and more of the article seems to be devoted to other people's opinions of Paul instead. The Election and Internet popularity sections in particular offer very little concrete information about the person himself. As for the Election section, most of that information should be put in its relevant subpage, but a lot of it is spilling over into this one instead. I'd urge everyone to begin scaling this material back and showing more restraint while editing. We'll never make it to good or featured article status like this.--Daveswagon 02:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I pared down the intro to the Presidential campaign section yesterday, took out some of those opinions and moved them to the Presidential campaign page and I think it's a lot better after that. I feel there are also getting to be a lot of pictures which distract from the text. Do you have any other concrete suggestions? The first and third debate sections could also be shipped over to the Presidential campaign page and the second debate section summarized... I do believe that the second debate incident should be included since that is what he has gotten a lot of attention for, probably more than anything else he's ever done. I'll try to work on it a bit.--Gloriamarie 10:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I just took an axe to it big time. Hopefully it stays lean this time.--Daveswagon 19:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I did like the American Conservative cover, though. Don't you think it would still work in that section? Or, at least some picture, it seems so bare now.--Gloriamarie 05:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Essay archives, etc.

I reverted a change that removed external links to archives of essays published under Ron Paul's name. There is no reason why these archives (whose counterparts are certainly linked at other articles) should not be included for the reader's reference. It isn't as though the article, in the encyclopedic voice, is asserting anything that violates WP:NPOV. The encyclopedia should like to publicly available work by Paul that would allow readers to further explore the positions Paul has taken in the past. DickClarkMises 18:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of weblinks. Wikipedia is not web directory. People may use google themselves. Besides all his works must be easily available from his presidential campaign website. Also pease be advised that linking from youtube, myspace, etc., is strongly discouraged in wikipedia. `'Miikka 19:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

He didn't say he was linking YouTube or Myspace-- I have restored the links to these archives of articles. An archive of speeches or articles are exactly what external links are designed for and is very encyclopedic. There is nothing commercial on the sites, and they are collections of Ron Paul's words. Yes, Wikipedia is not an indiscrimate collection of weblinks, I don't believe anyone is going to argue with that; however, that doesn't mean that informative links should be excluded because Google should be used instead-- that's a disservice to readers of Wikipedia. "Besides all his works must be easily available from his presidential campaign website." No, they are not. Lew Rockwell publishes many essays by Paul that only appear on that site. --Gloriamarie 05:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Origins of Internet Meme

It seems like the Ron Paul internet meme (or whatever that is) is as popular as the O'RLY Owl and LolCats (both are hobbies of fat people who have no life). What is the historical account on this popularity?

Please sign your comments with four tildes. I'm not sure what you're referring to, you'll have to elaborate.--Gloriamarie 21:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I think he's asking for a short "history" of how Ron Paul became so popular online.Granola Bars 03:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

He's popular online because he's popular with people that actually research him, something you can't do with FOX news and CNN. Virek 12:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. But I think there's more to it than that. His message resonates with many internet users. A lot of them have a somewhat libertarian outlook, which Ron Paul shares. Ron Paul also stands firm against any regulation or taxation of the internet, something this crowd likes to hear. And as Virek said, those who actually research the current Republican candidates often find themselves aligning with a "second tier" candidate. Kylebrotherton 08:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Please Re-Word

Since the debate, Ron Paul and his position have also been defended by Lew Rockwell,[82] Pat Buchanan,[83] Accuracy in Media,[84] and other conservative and libertarian as well as more liberal commentators, including Bill Maher[85], Joy Behar on ABC's The View.[86] I can't put my finger on it, but something makes this sentence sound very awkward - especially the end. Can someone please re-word this? --CommonSense101 18:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

the problem is that "and other conservative and libertarian [missing a plural noun here!], as well as more..."12.217.91.206 00:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter section on race

Was this deleted or integrated into the article or moved somewhere? Turtlescrubber 16:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)