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More problems with Gaimhreadhan
Please see my comments here. What can be done about this disgraceful POV pushing please? Many thanks. Brixton Busters 00:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Uh... perhaps you could study our policies?...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 00:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- This looks like a content dispute, to be honest. There is POV-pushing going on on both sides. Your original statement was unsupported and it was indeed not neutral. I see nothing to take any action over at this point although I'd advise both of you to note the three revert rule - Alison ☺ 00:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Your advice has been duly noted, Alison. Deity of your choice bless!...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 01:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Good. DOYCB, also :) - Alison ☺ 01:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- It wasn't my original statement, it was in the article already. It was removed as it was unsupported, and it was added back with two references to support it. So I'm having difficulty understanding how it can be removed again? Brixton Busters 01:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. "the" original statement. While you've provided references, it's still not NPOV, in my opinion. I don't edit articles of that nature (by choice) and have no opinion as to the content. However, I note that both of you are discussing the matter on the talk page, so maybe you both can work through it from here - Alison ☺ 01:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- My point is that the reason the prisoners refused to leave their cells shouldn't have been removed completely, especially as it had been doubly sourced. However I see your point about NPOV, and I will address the wording to make it more neutral later, time permitting. Thank you for your assistance. Brixton Busters 07:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. "the" original statement. While you've provided references, it's still not NPOV, in my opinion. I don't edit articles of that nature (by choice) and have no opinion as to the content. However, I note that both of you are discussing the matter on the talk page, so maybe you both can work through it from here - Alison ☺ 01:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Your advice has been duly noted, Alison. Deity of your choice bless!...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 01:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have now been accused of intellectual dishonesty, which according to the article is an obfuscatory way to say "you're lying" or "you're stupid". This editor's constant attacks on me are becoming tiresome. Brixton Busters 18:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Uh, no. I have provided references so that you can study our policies (and the intellectual rationale for them) so that you do not needlessly revert again without considering your position in depth.
- I'd also appreciate the courtesy of being alerted by e-mail or on my talk page when you mention me by name in an administrative complaint again. Thank you for your consideration!
- I was also rather interested in your rationale for not considering your own "please do not misrepresent sources" as not being a teensy weensy bit accusatory...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 18:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- BB, honestly. You're being hyper-sensitive here now. I'm not going to followup on that one as it's way too vague and trivial. Seriously - Alison ☺ 05:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have been subjected to repeated harassment and attacks from this editor, and I consider this to be just more of the same. I am now concerned you are giving him a green light to continue making derogatory comments about me, when all I want it for him to desist in making any comments about me. I do not consider this to be much to ask for. Brixton Busters 07:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- He is not been given "green light" for anything, and I resent the implication here. He's under the same rules as the rest of us; no less and no more. Right now, his position is precarious enough as well you know and your current complaint looks a whole lot like you're angling to get him indefinitely blocked. Please cut the guy a little slack here; you're both at opposite ends of the POV spectrum and you're bound to butt heads on many issues. The links to the 'attacks' above are tenuous to say the least, in my opinion. However, you're free to consult another administrator if you wish to pursue it further - Alison ☺ 07:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have been subjected to repeated harassment and attacks from this editor, and I consider this to be just more of the same. I am now concerned you are giving him a green light to continue making derogatory comments about me, when all I want it for him to desist in making any comments about me. I do not consider this to be much to ask for. Brixton Busters 07:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- Please do not misunderstand me, I am not angling for anything. The only outcome I seek is for him not make such comments about me at all, how this is achieved is beyond my control. Brixton Busters 08:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
More problems with Brixton Busters
A simple proposal: BB and I both stick to WP's policies and guidelines, we both try to help make our articles unbiased and with a neutral tone, he stops being hypersensitive and trying to get me banned, I don't categorise or "label" his behaviour in any way again....Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 09:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this okay...
[1] :-p ~ Wikihermit 22:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
- Heh! :) - Alison ☺ 23:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Re [2]
I would ask that you not remove this link unless you have a specific objection to its inclusion. Per Help:Reverting, reverting a good-faith edit should not be done lightly; at a bare minimum, this would seem to imply that one should not revert a good faith edit when one does not actually disagree with its content, merely for reasons of fairness or process. John254 01:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- I have not removed it since. However, re-adding it as quick as it was smacks of triumphalism and as there is so much debate over it and a lot of unanswered questions from User:Steinsky on the ArbCom request. I have a number of reservations myself, from a cursory glance as the site appears to be a portal for local companies touting their business - Alison ☺ 05:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello.
May I inquire as to how people (such as yourself, for one) have customized their usernames? It's something I've been seeing a lot of lately and was curious. I'm sure there's docs on it somewhere that I'm too blind to find.. Th 2005 10:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- You mean customise your signature? Wikipedia:Signatures tells you most of what you need to know. For more exotic signatures, there are people here who can maybe help you out. I got mine from my friend User:NikoSilver and his signature shop. I can do simple ones myself, if it's any help to you - Alison ☺ 05:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
G'Day
Hi Allison, I really love your userpage, do you mind if I take a few bits I love and make it mine too? :) Anyway, was just wondering what you meant about the Anthony Chidiac article. It hasnt been deleted 5 times, just once, and the name then got "salted" because I reposted a completely revised article up and put a (hangon) saying that in a few days citable references to his works will be provided. If you look on my userpage, looks like both myself and others are providing such links and, like wikipedia, will only get better with time too. What I need to to give this article "birth" in wiki for others to be able to work with/on, as its my userspace and I want to work on other things now. The guy is very notable, doing things with famous people for decades, and creting change in the industry through creative ways. He is rumoured to be on the Zune project (secretly), though no media report is out yet on it so all I can note is his current status and past achievements with technologies. thoughts? Thanks for your time. T --T3Smile 12:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hi there. Feel free to take what you like from my userpage :) Re. the Anthony Chidiac article, I have added further comments at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Content review. I can possibly email the sources to you but there have been serious issues with that article - Alison ☺ 21:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Your note
Hi Alison, thanks for asking before acting. I don't know this editor, but I see that he's been blocked 4 times over the last month. My own experience is that being over lenient and reversing blocks often results in repeat behavior. I would highly recommend that instead of unblocking you simply reduce his block, say to 48 hours, on his promise of good behavior. Then, you can monitor his continued conduct, and if he persists in violating rules, he should be blocked for at least a week next time, with no parole. Consider that by being over lenient, you could actually be harming his own chances at reform. In any case, I leave it to your discretion. Crum375 19:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hi there, Crum375. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I'll reduce the block to 48 hours, as suggested and monitor the situation. I agree that repeated unblockings are not a Good Thing as it can instil in an editor that blocks can always be reverted. Thanks again - Alison ☺ 20:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thanks again for consulting - I wish more admins could follow your lead. Crum375
- No problem. I believe it should be the default behaviour for admins to do that. - Alison ☺ 21:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Userpage protection
Hi there. I just semi-protected your userpage as it's been the subject of intense levels of vandalism. Hope you don't mind :) - Alison ☺ 21:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Not a problem. I'm planning on making one for myself, by the way... eventually. Hopefully soon. Just after I deal with this one other thing... ;) Gscshoyru 21:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, a quick question -- how did you become aware of this? I don't think I've dealt that much with you in the past, etc, though I could be completely wrong. Gscshoyru 21:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- The Walmart article was up on WP:RPP recently and I investigated page protection. Your username was in the recent edit history and I clicked to take a look. Your userpage history speaks volumes :) - Alison ☺ 23:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi
If you get a chance could you look at this Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, Counter-revolutionary is replacing 'Killed' with 'murdered' yet here he argued that 'murdered' was Pov and edited this article to 'Killed', I ask him about this on his Talk page and he is being contradictary on the issue, he even manages to have a dig at VK, who is not even involved in the discussion.
When I reverted his edit, another editor Biofoundationsoflanguage reverted it back so I ask him in his talk page why, it would appear we are supposed to edit as NPOV, but they are think they can ignore the rules of WP.--padraig 23:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Y'know, Padraig, I'd really love to help but I try my best to steer clear of Irish political articles as I've my own POV when it comes to certain matters and I can recognise that. Can you possible bring this matter to another admin or maybe get back to me here if you cannot? As a child, I recall Lord Mountbatten's death (and that of a local child) and have strong views on the subject - Alison ☺ 23:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Alison we all have views on issues but we are all expected to be neutral in our editing on articles, I have brought up other issues with another admin in the past few days, and they have been ignored, involving another editor and one of those mentioned above. So I decided to ask you because you seemed to be fair in your handling in the few cases I come across your input.--padraig 23:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Padraig, I've thought about it some more and took a cursory look over some of the issues and to be honest, I need to recuse myself on this one. Sorry, but I'd really rather not. Can you possibly place a request on WP:ANI so someone else will pick it up? - Alison ☺ 00:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- I am not being contradictory. I was pointing out a difference between the killing of an elderly man by terrorists (see Prince Louis and Sir Norman Stronge, bart.) and a shooting by a legitimate army at Bloody Sunday. --Counter-revolutionary 08:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
my page was deleted
and I need it back. I worked on it for over a month and wanted to publish it by aug.28, 2007. I last saw it on AugM 1st. Can you help me? It's about an R and B singer whose first release is Aug. 28th.
My email addr is lestermar@aol.com
Thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeddyLover (talk • contribs)
- Hi there. Can you let me know the name of the article & I can look into its history? Thanks - Alison ☺ 00:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your support, and for the nice note on my talkpage. Please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Wikipedia project, and I'll try again in a few months! If you ever have any questions or suggestions for me, please don't hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, --Elonka 01:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
Hope my report to AIV was done correctly. It's been an interesting night, having just stepped out of a dispute in which I probably should've been blocked over had it not been my honestly admitting I should be blocked. :P Anyways, sorry for the inconvenience. :) -WarthogDemon 07:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- If I may point out her incivility seems to be continuing following comments on both her and my talk page, the latest being: [3] and [4]. -WarthogDemon 06:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- Mmmm. He's toned it down a lot - Alison ☺ 07:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Congrats
Hey, congrats on living in the states for a year now! Hope it's been a good one! Jmlk17 07:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oh. Thank you :) Believe it or not, when you posted that it was one year to the day! It's been great so far - better than dreary, rainy Ireland - Alison ☺
Kappa
I really don't think that the user needs to be blocked, I've responded evenly and neutrally throughout, and have explained what he/she did wrong (even though he/she accused me of meatpuppetry, lol) and what the solution would be (to have someone make a disambiguation page), but it seems the person is simply emotional, from looking through their talk page. Take the report down, no need to block them, honestly it doesn't bother me, I just erase the bad words, lol. I do appreciate you and WarthogDemon looking out for me, though! (And Hi Alison! :) ) Ariel♥Gold 07:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've left it up, because what he said there was totally uncalled-for and it needs to be pointed out. Good for you for keeping your cool, too. It looks like everything's over now, too - Alison ☺ 05:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I knew
Oh sorry, I knew they were there somewhere, all I remembered was Jtdirl, see he's back, on and off, just checked. Keep up the good work;) GH 18:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks :) Yeah, I'd forgotted about Jtdirl - he's kinda left now. His last words were "WHo gives a fuck?", which doesn't bode well. I think User:Kwekubo might be a sysop - he definitely is on ga.wiki. Speaking of which - have you thought about editing over there as Gaeilge? - Alison ☺ 21:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Trying to get rid of me? How sweet! Bit rusty, but if you promise to proof my grammar, then all things are possible. Bheadh sé go deas, ach muise, tá seomraí go leor anseo. Bí anseo amáireach! :) . JT was was good, think he got tired of being admin, and the groundhogs. Ever considered crat? He and moi made the papers once, tell you as Gaeilge, am eile :) -GH 22:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- It might be nice for a change. I hang out over there to edit articles, something which I can't do here any more. I spent a wonderful hour or two on the ga:Séamus Ennis biog and have spent some time moving pics to Commons and interwiki'ing them, just to get a break from administrivia. Change is as good as a rest, sometimes :) I'm over here. As for 'crat; forget it! I'm so not 'crat material. Besides, we just got two new ones last month - Alison ☺ 05:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC) (What? Get rid of you?? Some chance of that happening! :-) )
- Yeah, that would be a challenge of Pygmalion proportions, to go from primary sixth grade Gaeilge to post-primary honours sixth grade Gaeilge in the next couple of months, and become the consummate translator. Might just give it a try, need some reading material, and not Buntas Cainte. Something new, I like it ;¬!! GH 14:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- It might be nice for a change. I hang out over there to edit articles, something which I can't do here any more. I spent a wonderful hour or two on the ga:Séamus Ennis biog and have spent some time moving pics to Commons and interwiki'ing them, just to get a break from administrivia. Change is as good as a rest, sometimes :) I'm over here. As for 'crat; forget it! I'm so not 'crat material. Besides, we just got two new ones last month - Alison ☺ 05:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC) (What? Get rid of you?? Some chance of that happening! :-) )
- Trying to get rid of me? How sweet! Bit rusty, but if you promise to proof my grammar, then all things are possible. Bheadh sé go deas, ach muise, tá seomraí go leor anseo. Bí anseo amáireach! :) . JT was was good, think he got tired of being admin, and the groundhogs. Ever considered crat? He and moi made the papers once, tell you as Gaeilge, am eile :) -GH 22:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Listerslashrimmer
Hi Alison, sorry to bother you again, but I have a question about banning. Listerslashrimmer recently made the most revolting case of vandalism I've ever seen on Wikipedia - see here for a comparison of before and after my reverting it. Moreover, ClueBot immediatly reverted it, but Listerslashrimmer reverted it back (at which point I reverted it back to ClueBot's version). I placed a warning on his user page, but it stikes me that this should surely be worth an outright ban, regardless of having gone through the correct number of warnings or not. Could you take a look, and let me know what you think? Cheers, TheIslander 20:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! It's yet another sock of User: Nam3witha3init. I've indefinitely blocked them now. Thanks again :) - Alison ☺ 21:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, no problem - it's just nice to see another vandal (or sock of a vandal, in this case) banned ;). Cheers! TheIslander 21:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
More anti-Irish Witch-hunts????
Hi Ali; been away for weeks but trying to pick up the pieces it apears that Sir Fozzie's ArbCom thanks in large part to Sony) is proposing to ban me for ONE YEAR????!! Mainly on the basis that I insist on stating - (in talk pages, where necessary to explain my edits in relevent Wiki articles - not in the articles themselves) - that the British Empire was a genocidal entity (which it manifestly and demonstratively was!).
Can you confirm if I am misreading this?? Frankly, if true, it is an astonishing, naked attempt by the Anglo-American mindset to turn Wiki into their own propaganda organ. Please look into this and advise? The price of FREEDOM is eternal vigelence. (Sarah777 - far away still) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.253.54.232 (talk • contribs)
- Hi Sarah. I was kinda wondering where you'd gone, actually. I've not looked into your RfC in ages but it looks kinda dead in the water, esp. given that some of the folks commenting are sailing a bit close to the wind in other areas. I dunno. I reckon the RfC will end up being closed by default and everyone will move on. I've not looked into the Famine ArbCom in a while but will get back to you later. - Alison ☺ 05:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- If you are right, Alison, that would be excellent news.
- As I said in a recent e-mail to one of Sarah's antagonist's: "Unlike those propaganda pushers ******* ******* and ******* who only ever edit articles relevant to and in order to advance the ***** **** provo viewpoint, Sarah777 has fashioneed literally hundreds of Irish Geography articles (especially with regard to transportation) and done some absolutely fantastic and backbreakingly intensive and productive work in non controversial areas. Yes, she can lose her rag like you and I both but surely a ban on just the controversial articles would be more appropriate?"...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Sarah: I do hope Alison's polished up her crystal ball recently, and is not wrong. Since I know you've got a terrific and wicked sense of humour I thought I'd share with you this quote which just arrived from an editor I respect and admire:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
- George W Bush,"...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
- It actually looks like Sarah is being proposed for a 1-year ban. I'm a little surprised. However, it looks like quite a few of the ArbCom members are not endorsing that solution, so we'll hopefully see how it goes - Alison ☺ 01:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hi folks! Something surreal here - my unsigned comment above wasn't me - though I share the sentiments if not the poor spelling. What the **** is going on?? Can a few Admins simply ban folk they don't like? A ban would be so bizarre that surely the Wiki establishment can't be THAT nakedly biased - can they?? I also note Sony's gallant attempts to push his crusade against me in the Arb.com (as my other self above notes) by relentless twisting of the facts. Sorry Ali; can't forgive this time - I had been giving that **** the benefit of the doubt - pl read what he wrote and tell me why I should any more. This whole thing is a complete heap of ****! the Arb.com wasn't even about me - so Mr Sony figures he'll use it instead of his failed RfC. (Sarah777 01:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC))
Article Assistance
Alison - thanks for your assistance in the past. I was wondering if you can assist with a current dispute on an article. I am asking several admins to review a list of links for reliably. If you can simply take a moment and comment on those sources which are reliable enough for WP policy. Please see: User talk:Tiggerjay/Resolutions/1 Thanks in advance Tiggerjay 05:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Smile!
Gscshoyru has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Gscshoyru 12:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC) |
F.y.i
[5]...Gaimhreadhan (kiwiexile at DMOZ) talk • 00:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
RFPP
While you're online, would you mind taking a look at this please, Alison? Thanks. Acalamari 00:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Done! There's not enough activity to justify full prot at this time. There's only a few edits per day and it's not good to needlessly lock people out. I've weighed in on RPP now. Thanks ;) - Alison ☺ 00:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks; I knew there wasn't enough disruption to fully-protect the page, but I wanted a second opinion on extending the current protection. Thanks for giving that second opinion. :) Acalamari 00:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd say it's fine for the moment on that duration so I didn't change it. Extending it at this time is ostensibly pre-emptively protecting "just in case" it stays bad (and hopefully, it won't). Folks can always come back and request re-prot if it does. It's no biggie - Alison ☺ 00:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks; I knew there wasn't enough disruption to fully-protect the page, but I wanted a second opinion on extending the current protection. Thanks for giving that second opinion. :) Acalamari 00:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Sock
[6] Lucky you :) If someone does a check on me, Riana, or Daniel, we'll all be desysopped, and no one will believe any explanations... --DarkFalls talk 10:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
xx
And why hasn't Hornetman receieved a similar warning? --Endlessdan 20:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
- Because I only saw your comment. Someone else's behaviour does not justify your personal attack. If you feel strongly about it, the proper thing to do is warn them for making personal attacks but remaining civil yourself - Alison ☺ 20:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I was trying to work it out with him, but ok. Could you talk to him about putting down on my lifestyle (I don't knwo how else to put it). Thanks in advance.--Hornetman16 (talk) 05:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hornetman, take the high ground on this one; remain civil and ignore any personal attacks here. I've officially warned both of you now. Next one who persists gets blocked so don't let it be you ;) - Alison ☺ 05:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Email...
...you have. Sarah 06:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- Tks. Replied :) - Alison ☺ 06:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Throughput
Ye, thanks for the thought. Regrouping. GH 10:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)