Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 14

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August 14

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Christian folklore

Category:Christian folklore - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Religious categories breed mythology-type sub-categories as people want to find ways to prevent mythological elements of their religion which they take to be non-fictional being listed alongside openly fictional elements, and so we end up with category:Christian_Mythology,Christian_Fiction,Christian_Legends,Christian_Folklore and so on. However, we currently have categories for both "Category:Christian_folklore" and also "Category:Christian_legend_and_folklore", the latter contains most of the links included in the former and is by far a more inclusive and complete category. I would suggest that the distinction between "christian legend" and "christian folklore" is so small as to make the smaller more exclusive article redundant in the presence of the more inclusive category and should therefore be deleted. Elmo 13:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films by shooting location and Category:Films shot in Poland

Since many films are shot in multiple locations (sometimes as many as ten) this category system would mean adding a large number of tags to most film articles. That seems impractical. In addition to that, for many films their shooting location is hardly a defining characteristic; films often use a city shot for atmosphere followed by a lot of indoors filming that could have been anywhere (and often indeed is some place else); and for many story-driven films it is quite irrelevant which generic city they play in. Perhaps a list would be a better way of handling this. >Radiant< 13:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tables

Propose renaming Category:Tables to Category:Wikipedia tables and category:Tables (furniture) to Category:Tables

Nominator's rationale: The primary name should be given to the most obvious usage, wikipedia's own tables used for formatting are of interest only to editors. Kappa 09:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Marvin, the Paranoid Android songs

Category:Marvin, the Paranoid Android songs - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Recently created to hold four trivial songs. I will be nominating the songs for deletion also. SilkTork 08:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep pending the outcome of the AFDs. If any songs remain then the category is required as a subcat of Category:Songs by artist. Otto4711 13:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Star Wars companies

Category:Star Wars companies - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Articles previously tagged with this cat have either been deleted, or the cat removed as inappropriate. Category currently is empty and, given tighter focus on WP:FICT among Star Wars-related article editors, not likely to be repopulated. EEMeltonIV 06:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If article deletion emptied the category, then it's obviously a useless category now. Wryspy 07:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alternative metal groups

Merge into Category:Alternative metal musical groups, convention of Category:Heavy metal musical groups by genre. -- Prove It ^(talk) 04:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Wryspy 07:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russian accusations of Nazism in Estonia

Category:Russian accusations of Nazism in Estonia - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Inherently POVed, FORKy and WP:POINTy cat created by the user with the notoriously disruptive edit pattern. --Irpen 03:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep What's POVed, FORKy and WP:POINTy about it, has there never been Russian accusations of Nazism in Estonia? It is certainly true that all the articles listed in the category have a section called "Controversy" which mentions accusations of Estonian Nazism in the Russian press. Therefore it would be useful for a Wikipedia user to see what other articles have similar sections, hence the need for the category. Martintg 04:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, inheritently POV category, reduces serious problem to propaganda accusations. Also does not fit into the general category scheme of Wikipedia. Do we have Category:Accusations of Nazism in Estonia by the originator, Category:Israeli accusations of Nazism in Estonia, Category:Accusations of Nazism in Estonia by Estonian citizens, etc? Do we have Category:Accusation of Nazism? Do we at least have Category:Accusations? I noticed that there are no parent category to this one. It is because similar categories were rejected as POV or unusable Alex Bakharev 04:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Like apartheid and cult, "Nazi" is something we should avoid outside its historical context, and accusations is basically allegations and an encyclopedia shouldn't be titling articles or categories that way. Carlossuarez46 05:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The accusations are real, so out of historic context use is a fact of life. These accusations are a major characteristic of Russia's official position against Estonia, and thus worthy of its own cat. The deletion nomination seems to be motivated mainly out of dislike against the editor who created this cat, after all putting down the creator takes up most of the rationale...--Alexia Death 06:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as per Martintg and User:Alexia Death. This is a real phenomenon, and contrary to Carlossuarez46' perception, determination of an accusation of Nazism can be made very objectively, in compliance with WP:NPOV. I would also like to point out that Alex Bakharev's concerns regarding missing supercategories have been addressed. Digwuren 06:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As per the above, there's nothing POV about it, and it's obviously a useful categorization. Elmo 12:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gotham City Police Department members

Category:Gotham City Police Department members - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Procedural/clean-up Three different entries were created for this category on this page. I'm replacing them with a single entry. Nomination was made by Brian Boru is awesome saying "WE should get rid of this since we got rid of the other team member categories" and "It's like Category; Justice League memmbers." Otto4711 03:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and precedent. Otto4711 03:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete just like all the superteam membership categories. Wryspy 03:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom & precedent. Carlossuarez46 05:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. Elmo 12:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Georgia culture and subcats

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category or categories above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Delete, CSD G7 by creator request. -- Prove It ^(talk) 04:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Georgia culture - Template:Lc1

Category:Religion in Georgia - Template:Lc1

Category:Christianity in Georgia - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Empty, ambiguously named categories, redundant to Category:Georgia (U.S. state) culture and its subcategories. AJR | Talk 00:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can I agree here? I think I defined at least one of these before someone added the necessary "US State" in two new categories. Just recategorizing one article to one of these new ones should do the trick. No problem. Thanks for pointing that out! If this comment is out of place, please delete it. Thanks. Student7 00:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did somebody empty these categories? For all I know, they were supposed to be about Soviet Georgia, not the U.S. state. Oppose deletion for improper emptying of categories and therefore improper nomination process. Do not empty categories because if you do, you make it impossible for people to evaluate them. Wryspy 03:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.