User talk:Reneeholle

Greetings! Have a wonderful day.

Your message

I left a response for you on my talk page. Vassyana 23:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Ram Chandra Mission

If there are two independent SRCM of the same name, then that article also need to be split. Could you suggest names for the two article? IPSOS (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which org are you associated with? (if any) IPSOS (talk) 19:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Chennai group, though my goal is to present a neutral article, not one that favors one over the other. I'm also very familiar with the other group too. Renee --Renee 19:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cut and paste

You need to cut and paste from the edit page, not the article. Otherwise you lose all the wikilinks and I will have to revert you. IPSOS (talk) 20:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, did I do this wrong? Please let me know which page lost the wikilinks and I'll go back and fix it. Sorry! Renee --Renee 20:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Ram Chandra Mission (Chennai)

Dear IPSOS, I've tried twice to do as you recommend and it didn't work (still lost that box). So, I'm just going to revert to your page and hand-type in the text. Thanks, Renee --Renee 20:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AIV

I'm just curious as to why you and Shashwat have reported each other to AIV, instead of a resolution area. Jmlk 1 7 21:46, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest filing a request at requests for page protection. I'll check into the users edits, and take appropriate action. Thank you. Jmlk 1 7 21:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heavier action, etc.

On the sahaj marg page, you asked about heavier action. One possible next step would be a user conduct RFC. [[1]], something Sethie considered however at the time, Sethie decided to go the mediation route....

However, a lot has happened, including: his 3rr violation, the stuff he wrote on his user page about why he is here at wikipedia (now removed), Sethie's problems with him, your problems with him, ISOPS problems with him (any others I am missing?) and that Will Babeck (an admin) cautioned him for all the same things we are struggling with him over. Sethie feels that there is sufficient evidence for a user conduct rfc and that some administrative action would almost certainly be taken against him if a user rfc was instigated.

If you would, read up on it, and read up on the various options available at WP:DR and let Sethie know your thoughts. Sethie 01:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Hey, thanks for the barnstars! IPSOS (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

your rfc

Hi I noticed your post on User:IPSOS's talk page and took a look at your RfC. While I was there I noticed that it was listed under "wikiuser" and thought you'd forgotten to fill in the user's name when you created the page. Almost left you a note about it, but then realized the subject of the RfC had moved it. I've moved it back and left him a warning. Other than that, since I know nothing about this dispute, I'll leave you to carry on... But let me know if he moves it again or otherwise vandalises it... GlassFET 18:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the user continues to move or otherwise vandalise the RfC, I'll certainly add my outside view about that, but I'd rather edit pages than dig into something that happened in the past that I wasn't involved in... GlassFET 18:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S., I'd advise that you put something on your user page so it doesn't show up as a redlink. Vandal patrol tends to check the edits of IP users and new users. Having a redlinked user page makes you look like a new user and you may be causing extra work for patrollers. GlassFET 18:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at your sig. See how your name is red instead of blue? Click on it, you will get an edit page. Even if you just put a dot and save it, the links will turn blue. Your user name also shows up as a redlink in recent changes, article histories, etc. It tends to make one as a newbie or someone who'd rather not put a brief note on their user page about who they are and/or what they are interested in. Your edits probably get more scrutiny because of it.

With respect to your dispute, I'm not an admin so I'd rather not get involved with it. You might try the Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts page. GlassFET 18:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. If you'd like an idea of something to put on your user page, many users like to put userboxes on them. GlassFET 18:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome again. And thanks for the barnstar, it's my first! GlassFET 19:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Service award

This editor is a
**Novice Editor**
and is entitled to display this **Service Badge**.

I see you are qualified for this service award, as you have been here over a month and have more than 200 edits. You could put this on your user page if you want or there are alternative forms your could use instead if you prefer them. Cheers! GlassFET 18:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shashwat pandey

I've signed the RfC and added my attempts to resolve. IPSOS (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the tip on my page! Duty2love 18:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heya

I really appreciated your comments on my talk page, I am so glad that I was able to inspire you to tackle some of the absurdities that you've been watching happen here on Wiki for so long.

I really feel like I've gotten really familiar with some of the core policies, and more importantly actually believe in them, and really try to edit from them. I feel like this is one of my strengths as an editor, and I am overjoyed to share that. :)

I would say one of my weaknesses as an editor is dealing with editors who don't play by those rules. It took me over a year to overcome my own agenda pushing on Wiki, and they really don't have an ounce of inclination to fight that in others anymore.

the positive thing about this whole experience for me is that I agree with you, in the end, on Wikipedia, NPOV wins, and troublesome users are forced out.

peace! Sethie 21:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation

It's generally OK to say "We tried mediation but it didn't work". However, you must be very careful to not use it as evidence against someone and not link directly to mediation discussions in user conduct cases, because such links are usually interpreted in that fashion. If you have further questions, please ask. Cheers! Vassyana 08:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please feel free to include that formal mediation was attempted. However, please avoid linking to the mediation talk page, citing other parts of the related discussion or using the mediation against a user. This is to avoid having the mediation proceedings being handled as evidence. Ask always, ask any questions. Be well! Vassyana 01:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University

Thank you for stopping by Renee. It is uplifting to see the opinion of a neutral editor like yourself. Right above your comments, an analysis of the current article was provided. The issues you pointed out were also discussed there. It would be nice if neutral visitors followed up with the progress of this page to a certain extent. Anyway; thank you again. Best, Avyakt7 17:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Renee, Thank you so much for responding to the Rfc and waving one huge clue-stick at the article. Yes, the first paragraph seems to have been written to shock and horrify people as much as possible. It bears little resemblance to what BK-style Raj-Yoga actually involves. 'Monastic? Spirit Possession? OK so I need to go to some kind of monastery somewhere and, if I were a woman, get myself possessed by some "male spirit" and become his "mouthpiece"? No thanks!'--- I think that's the sort of impression it was meant to give. It is based on academic references but when I read the references they do use those words, yes, but the context is different and it is also clear there are some things they haven't grasped. I tried to clarify the situation here Talk:Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University#Start_of_article but at that time there were no neutral editors around.

Thank you for understanding what we are going through with this article. I've seen you've had a similar experience.

Regards Bksimonb 18:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice on the talk page. I have done as you suggested. I've never had much luck with alerts before but one thing I have come to realise this week is that it really helps if Rfcs, alerts etc are written as one bite-size chunk of an issue that people can easily understand and respond to instead of a vague and subtle mushiness.

Also thanks for chipping in regarding the "possession" issue. I haven't had chance to formulate a response today but there are secondary references to show that the Puttick reference is not only being used out of context but is actually factually incorrect and misleading in itself. Bksimonb 17:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Thanks for reminding me :-) Best Bksimonb 17:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

Try these three pages: WP:LAYOUT, WP:CITE and WP:FOOT. They will have links to lead you into more detailed waters. IPSOS (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

Dear Renee; I didn't change my signature. Someone did that back in September 2006.I believe it was user 244. Avyakt7 was my user name in the brahmakumaris.info site before i was banned by him (user 244.) I have taken care of that so my signature name should match my user name. Best, Riveros11 22:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that someone made that change without my permission. [2] as you can see I was signing with my normal user name. It appears to me that the archives have been reduced. I cannot find some things there which i used to see before. Best Wishes, Riveros11 23:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finding citations

Google: first Google news, then web, and a bit of patience going through the results. IPSOS (talk) 19:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

.........and then buy some books and read them like the rest of us do. libraries can also be useful

I know the Bkwsu very well , i have also read the literature.......it would help a great deal if you could also , google really does not even scrape the surface . thanksGreen108 02:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Talk

I deleted the talk because in the past the talk page has been flooded with ranting by various suspected, and sometimes discovered, sockpuppets. So I'm inclined to nip these things in the bud now. Also the post was a bit attacking. And finally since it was practically an admission of disregard for wikilaw past and present, "trying to block you if they can , it has been going on for a year and has happened before", so it could be seen as a mercy deletion.

I'm happy to leave such posts from now on but let's review the situation if they become too intense and frequent as has sometimes happened on this article.

Thanks & regards Bksimonb 08:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other things

"I'd like to finish up my work on this article and move on to other things" - and I'd like to help out with other things too! I am so grateful for the effort you, IPSOS, Rumiton, Utcursch and others have put in and I kind of feel I'd like to pay back somehow.

Please let me know if you need my support on a project or know of other areas I may be able to help. I am looking out for rfc's I can comment on as a start.

Regards Bksimonb 12:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know what. I didn't even realise I was sometimes called Simon, sometimes SimonB and sometimes Bksimonb. I guess that must mean I am happy with any of those :-) Regards Bksimonb 14:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alice Bailey article

Thank you so much for your helpful edit of the article! It felt like a ray of light. Kwork 22:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]