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Spoiler Tag: Is it just me or does the soiler section become one long horizontal box ? If so what can be done about it ? ~ User-Fenix(dont remember my login atm)

Victory Gin was for Outer Party, not for Proles. 217.98.138.204 19:26 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)

You are correct sir! I have accordingly substituted "beer" and added the other distractions described by Orwell.

Also moved the V. Gin up to the outer party para. With respect to that and cigs being the only vices: the encounter between Winston and the prole prostitute is problematic, as it is clear that he, exemplifying all male party members, derives no pleasure from the act; it's also clear that his relationship with his estranged wife is also meant to be typical of marriage in this world.

Ellsworth 23:58, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The article mentions Marx's social class theory as a "three-class socio-economic structure". I'm not a Marxist expert, but i believe his theory's included 2 main classes, the bourgeoisie and proletariat. He does mentions other classes such as landlord, merchant, middle class, and petty bourgeoisie. But I see his theory revolving around those 2 classes. You also comment how it's left unexplained in the novel how Ingsoc established and maintained control over certain areas and call it a significant weakness in the plot. This seems like it should be under another section entitled Criticism or such so it is separate from the definition of Ingsoc. --Datajunkie 04:46, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"Ingsoc is also a political punk band from Warsaw, Indiana. Visit their site http://www.destroybigbrother.com for more information." This does not strike me as overly important. Any objections to deleting it? — Itai (f&t) 19:23, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Insoc vs Nazi

has anyone else noticed that the name Insoc has almost identical origins to nazi? was this intentional/interesting enough to put into the article?--CallmeNiel 19:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. For onr thing I believe Orwell spoke for the need for a specifically "English socialism" (one which respected English traditions of freedom etc rather than a nationalistic one) in Ihe Lion and the Unicorn so I think it may be wry nod to that A Geek Tragedy 17:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fear of Labour

I don't remember if it was Orwell himself or a commentator who wrote that, while it is obviously based in Stalinism, it is purported as an evolution of English Socialism. Orwell saw worrisome tendences in it.

Image

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The image in question

The image on this page seems to be taken from this webcomic under fair use. It seems to me that since the image has no official connection to the book (correct me if I'm wrong) then there's little point using it, especially when someone could draw a freely licensed alternative in about five minutes. Any comments?

--Cherry blossom tree 11:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually agree with you, it is a good image but someone could easily make an alternative. If we keep the image then there would be little motivation to make a freely licensed one. --Keithg 04:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]