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The Main Photograph

I have three issues with the main photograph, Rudolf Heß.jpg.

The photograph was supposedly taken in 1940 by Heinrich Hoffmann, Hitler's official portrait photographer, but I do not believe this. It looks like a snapshot taken during the Nuremberg Trials in 1945. It is noticeable that Hess is supposedly wearing the exact same clothes in 1940 that he is wearing in 1945 (e.g.). This is not impossible, as the article claims he was a neurotic, and perhaps he had a closet filled with identical clothes. It does seem odd odd that Hess would pose for a portrait in Germany in 1940, and then the next year pack his suitcase with a cheap-looking demob suit, hop into a Messerschmitt, fly at altitude through the night to Scotland, parachute and be arrested, and five years later go on trial in Nuremberg all in the same clothes. And the photographs I can find of Hess taken in the immediate pre-war period show a younger-looking man (1, 2) than this bewildered middle-aged drunkard. None of this is conclusive proof that the photograph in question was not taken by Heinrich Hoffmann in 1940 - the photographs I have linked to might themselves be spurious - but on the balance of probabilities I believe that we are looking at Hess in 1945 taken by a security guard or court recorder. Using the internet to find photographs of Rudolf Hess is not a pleasant experience.

Although the uploader argues that, because the photograph was taken in 1940, it is exempt from copyright, the photograph is clearly scanned from a book, in which case the publisher of that book would at the very least know something about the rights situation. If the photograph was however taken at Nuremberg in 1945 it is probably fair use under US government image rules. It is shoddy research at any rate to not list a source. The uploader appears to be a relatively new user who is interested in this kind of topic, which is not necessarily something to be proud of. -Ashley Pomeroy 19:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The uploader appears to be a relatively new user who is interested in this kind of topic, which is not necessarily something to be proud of." With all due respect that is complete and total rubbish. Who on earth are you to assert what is or isn't a worthy topic of interest? Perhaps one ought then to just burn every book about nazism's history and replace them with books about Marilyn Monroe and flowers and babies? If you're so keen on correcting others' contributions with your high-minded assertions of a user being 'new' (and thereby somehow unworthy) then why not just hold your tongue and stick to whatever it is you do best. Unless you can assert with certainty that the photo breaks copyright law then there is nothing more to be said on it or it's uploader.Iamlondon 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It may be beside the point, but the Spanish version of wikipedia shows a picture of Hess in 1945 during the trials, which may be more acceptable? http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Hess .Iain Moody 21:32, 26 October 2006 (GMT+1)
I've seen pictures of Hess when he was still fairly infuential, and while he was always a distinctive looking character, by the time of Nuremberg he was more gaunt and aged looking (even taking into account the time span), I would say the pic at the top looks more like a Nurembery one myself. Douglasnicol 12:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SS General?

The article is in the category of SS General. Has it ever been proven or otherwise stated that Hess held SS rank? Douglasnicol 23:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mytchett Place sound recording technology ?

My reference - Foley: Michael Smith, Hodder & Stoughton, 1999 - states "Camp Z (ie Mytchett Place) was fitted out with microphones and a bank of tape recorders." This edit claims that no tape recorders existed in England in 1941. Can anyone shed any light on this? It is of course possible that Michael Smith has made an error on this point. --Stephen Burnett 01:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Roberts redirected to Walter Roberts, an American football wide receiver!

Moved here from article

Good call, John.

These "trivial facts" are one of WP's strongpoints but, on such a serious topic, they do grate a bit. Is it permissible to have a "see also the Rudolf Hess/Trivia section? W. Frank talk ✉  21:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1 meg gif?

Illustrating the article with a 1 meg animated gif seems excessive. That would be better something merely linked to.

  • Martin Allen's book about the background of the flight is based on forged documents in the National Archives. Peter Allen's assertion that Hess piloted a Me 110 to Portugal in summer 1940 for peace talks with the Duke of Windsor is based on an alleged "document" of the German Federal Archives invented by P. Allen (see article of E. Haiger).
  • The song "Warsaw" by Joy Division begins with the phrase "350125 Go!" and the term "31G" appears in the chorus. These numbers are likely to refer to Rudolf Hess's prisoner of war number 31G 350125. Around the time this song was written there was increasing public interest in how and why Hess had been kept in more or less solitary confinement at Spandau prison for several decades. On "At A Later Date" on the album Live At The Electric Circus, guitarist Bernard Sumner starts the song by saying to the crowd, "You all forgot Rudolf Hess!"
  • "The Day The Nazi Died" by the British band Chumbawamba decries the Neo-Nazi commemorations of Hess's death.
  • The Secret of Spandau (1986) by Peter Lovesey writing as Peter Lear is a fictional account of Hess's flight to Britain and the aftermath.
  • The group Prussian Blue features a song entitled "Sacrifice" in which the first stanza goes "Rudolf Hess, man of peace/he wouldn't give up he wouldn't cease".
  • The group Final War (band) features a song entitled "Tales Of Honor", which glorifies Hess as a hero and denounces his treatment. The song's general feel is exemplified with the quotation: "This is the story of Rudolf Hess, a brave and loyal man, He gave his life for his beliefs because he loved his land".
  • The band Landser has used various references to Rudolf Hess.
  • The white power band Skrewdriver wrote two songs about Hess titled "Prisoner of Peace" and "46 Years".
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