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The result was delete. Singu larity 01:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Kempe

Non-notable junior hockey player who is yet to play professionally. Does not meet notability requirements. Djsasso 17:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Junior player with no apparent awards or honours. 5th round NHL draft pick is a little too low for "automatic" notabiliby via that route. Reso lute 17:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "he played two brief stints with Ångermanland of the Swedish league TV-Pucken before staying with MODO Hockey of the Swedish Elite League ", first of all TV-pucken is a national junior tournament where the player represent their province or region. And he has never played in the SEL, he played for the U18 team. --Krm500 10:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO ccwaters 13:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singu larity 01:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Brophy

Non-notable junior player who has not played professionally and has not won any major awards. Does not meet hockey notability standards. Djsasso 18:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:BIO and the WP:HOCKEY standards both; scarcely any assertion of notability, and no sources indicating same. RGTraynor 18:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete:. Fails WP:BIO. Highest level played was in QMJHL...which he no longer does. Former junior player is not notable whatsoever. Smashville 19:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Smashville. Skudrafan1 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO ccwaters 12:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singu larity 01:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas Bachand

Disputed prod. Non-notable junior hockey player who has not played professionally and has won no awards to otherwise create notability. Fails WP:Bio and project standards for notability. Djsasso 21:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per lack of notability Corpx 00:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Skudrafan1 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO ccwaters 12:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singu larity 01:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pier-Antoine Dion

Disputed prod. Non-notable hockey player whom has not played professionally and does not meet WP:BIO or project standards. Djsasso 21:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:BIO ccwaters 13:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:BIO. Carlosguitar 14:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Singu larity 01:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maxime dubuc

Protested prod. Non-notable junior player who has not played professionally or won any major awards to indicate notability. Fails WP:BIO and hockey project standards. Djsasso 21:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Has not played in a professional league Corpx 00:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO ccwaters 13:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:BIO. Carlosguitar 14:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO (Athletes). Hal peridol 22:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 01:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wes Welcher

Disputed prod. Junior hockey players with no other claim of notability. Fails WP:BIO, as well as the Ice hockey project's notability guidelines. See also discussion at WT:HOCKEY Also nominating:

No objections to recreating any of these articles should any of these players gain future notability, i.e.: playing in the NHL. Reso lute 21:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed two, as separate AfD's were already created for those players. Reso lute 21:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all All fail to meet WP:BIO & Hockey project standards for notability. --Djsasso 22:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per Djsasso. Skudrafan1 00:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per WP:BIO ccwaters 12:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all New notability criteria will be proposed, which will keep some of these articles.Bradn87 12:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This notability criteria was almost unanimously accepted in the past. It's unlikely to change in the next 4 days just because the creator of some articles up for deletion want them too. --Djsasso 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Why is it unlikely to change? Are people around here so opposed to new ideas? Nobody's asking for the notability criteria to be drastically rewritten or anything... it's just the addition of a new, completely reasonable ammendment. Bradn87 13:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment Because people didn't want /any/ major-junior players considered notable. It was quite the fight just to get ones who has won awards considered notable. Every major-junior player is not going to be considered notable because it is extremely easy to become a major-junior player compared to becoming a professional player. --Djsasso 14:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Comment extremely easy? Yeah, go to a QMJHL training camp and tell that to the players. Let me know how long they laugh at you for. Is Wikipedia running out of space or what? What's the big deal with trimming absolutely anything that's not the best of the best or the biggest of the big? So they're not Gretzky... but they're still players of legitimate franchises and deserve to be treated as such. Not just "nobodys" that don't do anything.Bradn87 14:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment When there are 400+ new players entering each of the 3 major-junior leagues each year. Then yes compared to joining the professional leagues it is relatively easy. And yes wikipedia is for the best of the best so to speak. Wikipedia is not for just anyone. No one has said they don't play for real franchises or that they don't do anything. Just that they aren't notable yet, doesn't mean they won't be in the future. --Djsasso 14:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment No it is not relatively easy. I'm trying to make it to the QMJHL, and have many friends who are too, and it's anything but easy! And these players are very notable in their team's city. It's not like articles were made for all of our players, just the one's that are notable to the fans! FogDevil 15:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment Compared to the NHL yes it is much easier. 2700 players make the CHL each year compared to only 900 in the NHL. And in the NHL alot of those 900 are the same players year after year. Whereas of the 2700 CHL players every 5 years they are completely different players due to age limits which make the number of players who ever play CHL hockey extremely high relative to professional hockey. --Djsasso 19:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BIO and Nobability Standards as agreed to on WP:HOCKEY. -Pparazorback 17:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per above. If Bradn87 wishes changes both in WP:BIO or in the criteria of WP:HOCKEY, he ought to take his argument there and see if he can get consensus to change in his favor. Until then, we're far more likely to gauge the notability of articles in light of the notability criteria, rather than to rewrite the criteria every time someone comes by with an article he wants to push. RGTraynor 14:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per creator's request. Non-admin closure. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National Street Hockey League

Either a local rec league or a fantasy league as Google turns up zero hits on it and speaking as someone who lives in one of the cities, I have never heard of the so called local team and I would being that I am involved in the local hockey scene. Djsasso 23:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I usually dont rely on google to check notability, but just 4 google hits is troubling Corpx 00:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems like a hoax to me. Skudrafan1 00:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless reliable sources are shown. T Rex | talk 00:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Hoax/Fantasy. DMighton 00:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This site isn't for things made up one day and that's what this is. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can't find any evidence of this organization. ccwaters 12:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per NeoChaosX above. -Pparazorback 17:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Provo Hockey League

Delete Not a notable league

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Canuck85 (talk • contribs) 2007/08/21 05:13:15

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable, no reliable third party sources. Eliz81 ^(talk)^(contribs) 15:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If you have a problem with it not having references, you find those references. The easiest thing is to nominate for deletion. M.V.E.i. 16:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - What do the references have to do with it? It's clearly not notable. It's a pee wee hockey organization in Provo, Utah. Smashville 21:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: It is the responsibility of an editor challenged to demonstrate sources or notability to provide the same, not for the challengers to prove that such do not exist. Feel free. RGTraynor 13:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable children's hockey league. --Djsasso 04:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Krm500 10:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ccwaters 13:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Pparazorback 17:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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