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Nowhere in this paper

Ludt, Christian J. "Mitochondrial DNA phylogeography of red deer (Cervus elaphus)" (pdf). Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 31 (2004) 1064–1083. Elsevier. Retrieved 2006-10-06. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

you will find the name affinis for a distinct species. Moreover the tibetan and chinese subspecies (wallichi, macneilli and kansuensis) seem to belong to the elk according to that paper. The hangul (subspecies hanglu) was not sampled in this study. The other given references say nothing about this problems. So I will change the article according to the paper above. This article should be reduced to the subspecies yarkandensis, which is probably identical to bactrianus and seems to form a distinct species.--Altaileopard 15:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what the final concensus is regarding the three species of red deer and which 3-5 subspecies constitute the Central Asian Red Deer. I do agree that the Kashmir stag (hangul), Yarkand Deer, and Bactrian Deer are more closely related and should be retained as Central Asian Red Deer. I thought the shou would be included more with Central Asian Red Deer because it does have 5-pronged antlers like the 3 subspecies I mentioned above. I can see how the MacNeill's Deer may resemble Wapitis...because many of the older males have wapiti-like antlers. However, they are predominantly 5-pronged in antler structure and their body/pelage characteristics such as tiny rump patches...resemble Central Asian Red Deer. So, I don't know if I can fully accept that Shou and MacNeill's Deer should be considered Wapiti. In the past, the Shou has been assigned to Cervus elaphus, and MacNeill's Deer assigned to Cervus canadensis. Who knows? I have emailed Dr. Valerius Geist to get more information.

Oh, and by the way, MacNeill's Deer (macneilli) and Gansu (or Kansu) Red Deer (kansuensis) are the same subspecies. User:Dlc_73 14:25, 15 Setember 2007 (UTC)

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