Talk:Lü Bu

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Bold textthe article seems combining facts and fiction. should clear it some time later. Wshun

Agree. See my recent posting at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention#Subtly_wrong. Kowloonese 22:35, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I say adding a section for the fictional Lu Bu of the ROTK novel would be a good idea.

Fact or fiction

An unregistered user recently made edits to this article, changing several historical facts to fictional knowledge he perhaps perceived from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Several important differences to note:

1. Lü Bu was hanged, not beheaded as dramatized by the historical novel.

2. Diao Chan was a fictional character, not existing in history. Lü Bu did have amorous relationships with one (or maybe even a few, it is hard to tell as Chinese words do not have plural forms) chambermaid of Dong Zhuo, according to the Chronicles of the Three Kingdoms, and it was from here perhaps the story of Diao Chan was later developed.

--Plastictv 01:33, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, I've heard that in history, Sun Jian-- not the three brothers-- defeatd Lu Bu and pushed him back. Wether or not it was Sun Jian himself in a duel, or simply Sun Jian's army, I don't know, but I thought it appropriate to bring it up.Melissia 16:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Wade-Giles name

According to the version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms translated by Brewitt-Taylor, the Wade-Giles name of Lü Bu is "Lu Pu". However, according to this conversion table, it could also be "Lü Pu". So i'm putting down both. --Plastictv 02:54, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lü Bu's birth year

88.107.187.82, do you have a confirmation of Lü Bu's birth year? Neither Hou Han Shu nor Sanguo Zhi gives a birthdate or age for him, as far as I can see. --Nlu 16:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

On www.3kingdoms.net it says he was born in 156AD and died in 198AD, I believe this site would be truthful because it is all about the three kingdoms Commented By: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(Please E-Mail if you have questions)

The Mighty Fighter

Although Lu Bu was the most skilled fighter at the time, I wonder how Meng Huo, the Nanman King, would have fair against Lu Bu.

Meng Huo was trained in the wild life and Lu Bu was trained in a more social area. I do believe, just food for thought, that Meng Huo could've beat Lu Bu in a one-on-one bout.--Zhang Liao 07:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Just becauzse your a savage don't make you a great warrior. dave

Dave is wrong, Lu Bu would lose.

Lu Bu was raised and trained from the beginning, by the best teachers in the country, to become a soldier and a warrior. While there is little doubt that Meng Huo was a good warrior, he simply lacked the training that Lu Bu had, therefor it is likely that Lu Bu would have defeated him. --Melissia 16:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

yeah lu bu would have kick his sorry butt meng huo was a punk!!!! I mean Meng Huo's wife could have whupped his butt so how could you think lu bu would lose

It is clear that Lu Bu was the greater warrior,a true on trained in the martial arts and weopanary whereas Meng huo was self taught,savage but still no match.

No warrior of the time, with Lu Bu's reputation opposing him, could defeat Lu Bu. it was once said, "Among men, Lu Bu; Among Horses, Red Hare."

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I think Meng Huo would lose because of Lu Bu's Archery skills, Meng Huo would probably be afraid of Lu Bu, because of his height and end up running away in the middle of the fight... Lu Bu would chase him for a while, but Meng Huo would outrun him, Lu Bu would then pull out his bow and get him in the back Commented By: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(Please E-Mail me if you have questions)

Birth year again

In the years section of wikipedia, both 153 and 156 are shown as Lu Bu's birthyear. This article shows it as 153. I think it couldn't be either, because by the time of the battle of Xia Pi, he'd have been at least 42, and can people be that strong during middle age? Any ideas? Cao Wei 01:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Neither Hou Hanshu nor Sanguo Zhi gives a birthdate. --Nlu (talk) 02:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

On www.3kingdoms.net it says he was born 156AD & died 198AD.I think that if somone is set to good strength when they are young they could have great strength when they are older. Even though I am no one to talk, u have to realize then 42 would equal today's 64, u also have to realize there are people now in their 70's that are very strong, Huang Zhong was an old fellow was he not?

Commented by: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(If you have questions, please E-mail)

Mergeto

I think Red Hare should be Merged with Lu Bu. He's the only guy who ever used it, and this article is little more than a stub without the non-Red Hare information. Someone might suggest that it should be merged to Guan Yu, but...then we'll know who's been reading RoTK too much. Cao Wei 01:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

The fictional stuff makes the horse interesting by itself, so this article couldn't really merge into Lu Bu. _dk 03:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

ROTK is notable nevertheless. -- Миборовский 09:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

More than likely, most people wouldn't even care about Lu Bu or Red Hare were it not for RotTK. Simply note that the fictional parts are fictional, and move on. That aside, there is no need to merge the articles. Because of the book, Red Hare is not uniquely identified with Lu Bu. --Melissia 02:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hung or Strangled

This article claims that Lu Bu was strangled after being caught but later states was hung which is it???

He was hanged. i've corrected the misleading info. --Plastictv 16:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Do not pursue Lu Bu

I think it would be wise to include an admonition to any potential readers against potentially following, engaging or attacking Lu Bu. Am I alone here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.178.206 (talk) 18:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC) O NOES ITS LU BU!

Inconsistency

The end of the 'Days of exile' section states "After more than a hundred days of stalemate, a famine breakout forced Lü Bu to give up his position.". The start of the next section, 'Occupation of Xuzhou', states "Thinking that by forcing Cao Cao's retreat he had done Xuzhou a favor...". Something is wrong here - who retreated? Is it referring to the same siege? 203.214.101.33 11:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Cao Cao retreated from Xuzhou to attack Puyang and then Lu Bu retreated from Puyang to go to Xuzhou. _dk 22:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)