Talk:No. 18 (Dragon Ball)

The only female Z-fighter

Shouldn't it be mentioned somehwere on the page that Android 18 is the only female warrior in the DBZ canon (Albiet, Chi Chi was once a fighter in the original Dragonball, but she has never fought since then)? - Alph

Artificial Humans or Cyborgs?

Juuhachigou and Juunanagou are not machines. A better name would be Cyborg's 17/18.

Juunana-gou and Juuhachi-gou are artificially enhanced humans. Juuhachi-gou is the older of the twins, but Juunana-gou is more powerfull.

Cyborg is a more appropiate term. Android is a robot that looks like a human, so it doesn't make sense to name her that.

Erm, but Android 17 and 18 are their official names in the television show Cyclone49 12:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

They are both the same power for your information.

Android 17 and Android 18 are the official ENGLISH names. However, Trunks explains that a better term to call them by is cyborgs after calling them Artificial Humans in the original. Jinzoningen, or rather Artificial Human, is the actual official ORIGINAL name. And #17 is stronger than #18, though weaker than #16.

I dunno if this has any bearing whatsoever, but in the (older)Japanese games, 18's always been labelled as "№ 18". I know "Juuhachi" is literally just "18" in Japanese and "-gou" is "(1) number; issue" or "(2) sobriquet; pen-name;"... So here's a question. ...why not just name them all "Number" or "№" and be done with it? The rest of the entries seem to coinside with the transliterations of names.(Freeza, Cooler, Tao Pai Pai, Muten Roshi, etc.) ~ Joseph Collins (U)(T)(C) 05:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Fun fact: The Japanese actually label them in English as "Android Number ##" when writing them out long-ways. So "Android ##" is technically perfectly correct! X3 ~ Jessica Ingmann 01:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

why not call them c-18/17 and be done with it? its easier.

Picture

How exactly do you insert pictures into the information box? There doesn't seem to be any place in the template for it to put a picture in. Cyclone49 03:35, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Two different explanations

From the Android 17 article: Android 17 is actually not a robot. He is an essentially a regular human with "upgrades" (I.E., Cyborg) along with his twin sister, Android 18. The two were experimented by Dr. Gero though very little of their history is given.

From this article She is referred to in the original Japanese as an artificial human, which is translated as 'android' in the literal sense; she is not a robot, and it is implied in the manga she and her brother were originally runaways heavily fitted with cybernetics.

So this article says that the Androids are "Artificial humans", when the other says that they were both human. Should one of these be modified?

Both basically say that they are cybrogs, which is essentially what they are. The Japanese term Jinzoningen covers that definition of the characters, as well as describing true androids like 16 or 19, and even covers cell (since he was artificially created despite being mostly biological). In english we don't have a wide term to cover all of those, so for simplicity sake the dub just went with Android. Onikage725 22:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Video Game Attacks

Some of the listed Attacks are only from video games, Can i delete them? they really have no place here. DBZROCKS 23:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Why can't attacks from video games be listed??? this is an information source, the more information the better! You had no right ot delete those moves and i will put them back up when I have the time.

yes but this is not a FAQ and you really should sign your comments with the three (or four) ~'s

DBZROCKS 21:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC) Erh I don't think listing attacks from video games make it an FAQ, what the hell are you on? three's and four's? I don't care for that.

Instead of deleting them, seperate them into sections. One for attacks seen in the anime/manga, the other from videogames. Both are appropriate as long as they are verifiable. Malamockq 17:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Power section

"As a cyborg, Android-18 is extremely powerful, she is able to easily overpower a basic Super-Saiyan. This is first demonstrated to when she fights Super-Saiyan Vegeta, she is able to severely injure him and walk away completely unscathed save her clothes. 18 along with 17 and 16 is fitted with a infinite energy device. This makes it so that she never tires. She is at least capable of handling a regular super saiyan though her power pales in comparison to further SSJ levels. She has also been noted to be less powerful than her brother 17."

Too much original research to be left in the article, also many of the statements aren't true. Saying 18 can defeat a super saiyan isn't acurate since different saiyan's SS1 level can differ from others, and their own can change as the series progresses (for example, Goku's SS1 level when fighting Freeza is weaker than Goku's SS1 level when he sparred Trunks).

I rewrote it, but DBZROCKS wasn't satisfied with it. I'll reinstate the section when it is properly rewritten. Malamockq 17:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's my rewrite if anyone is interested.

"As a cyborg, Android-18 is extremely powerful, she was able to easily overpower Vegeta in his basic Super-Saiyan form. This is first demonstrated during the Cell saga when she was able to severely injure him and walk away completely unscathed save her clothes. 18 along with 17 and 16 is fitted with a infinite energy device. This makes it so that she never tires.

During the Buu saga, she fights Goten and Trunks in both of their normal forms during a tournament, to a stand still, herself noting a significant difficulty in fighting the boys unlike her previous fight against Vegeta. During this time, Goten and Trunks are both disguised, and posing as an adult because tournament rules do not allow them to fight adults. After Goten and Trunks power up to their Super Saiyan forms she took note of their extremely powerful energy blast and sought to reveal their true identity before they got the upperhand. After revealing them, the referee disqualified from the boys from the tournament."

I didn't think there was any fandom in it. Everything is verifiable, and taken from the anime/manga, but feel free to discuss. Malamockq 17:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude were you just talking to yourself? Anyway remember to add :'s to every paragraph. DBZROCKS 00:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You only add : when you are replying to someone's post, I was merely adding on to my original point. I removed the Power section again because if I only removed the parts that are Original Research the section won't make any sense. It requires a complete rewrite. You may attempt to rewrite the section if you wish, but don't revert back to the old version. Malamockq 17:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Im lost

How was #18 able to have a child with Kurirun?Charles 22:08, 21 March 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charles Locke (talk • contribs) 02:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

As said by Kurirun himself 18 is a CYBORG not a full robot. DBZROCKS 11:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don't leave forum-ish comments on the talk pages. These talk pages are for improving the article. 67.76.181.251 03:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Android/Cyborg #18 should be categorized as a fictional immortal

On my unedited Dragon Ball Z manga on my computer, Volume 13, Tale 155, Page 181: Dr. Gero says to the androids (or cyborgs whatever) that he made himself a cyborg as well to gain eternal life as well. I'm rephrasing this from my edit summary on 18's history because that's the only source I have to prove this statement. I am not sure of what they translated in the Viz manga, I don't own all the Viz volumes, so I don't know what it said there about them being immortal. However, DBZROCKS stated in his edit summary that only Dr. Gero made himself immortal and not the others, but my manga says otherwise. I mean, do the cyborgs/androids ever age? Does anyone have volume 13 of DBZ published by Viz Media to confirm whether she and 17 are also eternal or not? 66.229.120.240 06:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

yes I do and that is what I am sourcing this on. He says to them "I have mechanichized myself as well I wanted eternal life". He does not say as well. Many people argue but they don't look different in GT! so? Many Dragon Ball charecters never change appearance. That does not mean they do not age. DBZROCKS 11:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm tricky. It's probably up to interpretation. Thing is, we aren't allowed to do that really. Though I will add that aside from 17 and 18, the only characters who don't seemingly age are Goku and Vegeta, which is explained as Saiyans staying in their prime longer. Bulma, Chi Chi, and Videl look noticeably older in GT. Onikage725 23:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Doctor Gero did say something in the like of making himself immortal like the androids/cyborgs. He's practically robotic anyways, with exception of his cerebrum. I can verify this tomorrow if you'd like — DBZROCKS' explanation doesn't make sense — guess I'm just so exhausted now from reading manga. Lord Sesshomaru

Gero was a different type of Cyborg. As evidenced when Piccolo ripped his hand off, Gero's cyborg body was totally mechanical. 18 isn't, thus she should age.--Marhawkman 21:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Buu Saga

I've noticed in the Buu saga section, there is no mention of her fight with Goten and Trunks. Should we add the info about it?

you mean the one where she cuts their costume in half?--Marhawkman 11:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah.