Talk:Prince Alfred College

Australia: Adelaide Start‑class Low‑importance

	Australia portal Prince Alfred College is within the scope of WikiProject Australia, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project page.AustraliaWikipedia:WikiProject AustraliaTemplate:WikiProject AustraliaAustralia
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Adelaide (assessed as Low-importance).
	Need help improving this article? Ask a Librarian^{What's this?} at the National Library of Australia.
	The Wikimedia Australia chapter can be contacted via email to helpwikimedia.org.au for non-editorial assistance.

Schools Unassessed

	Schools portal This article is related to WikiProject Schools, a collaborative effort to write quality articles about schools around the world. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page.SchoolsWikipedia:WikiProject SchoolsTemplate:WikiProject Schoolsschool
???	This article has not yet received a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

infobox

added the infobox but this now repeats the article a little. Should i fix this?

Maelgwn 11:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

it is good, does not need to be fixed--j. 29/6/06

seems to me a little favourably biased, perhaps written by someone too closely affiliated.

i.e. "enviable reputation", "IB results are excellent"

no

it isnt favourable, its the truth, they are in taht range. in fact that is copied from the saint peters college page

"Capable senior students at Saints tend towards the International Baccalaureate programme. Overall the IB results are excellent, with average final IB marks hovering around the 39-40 mark. Saints has produced several IB marks of 45 in recent years. The remainder of the students complete the South Australian Certificate of Education (SACE), usually with excellent results - including several students in recent years attaining five perfect scores. The most recent of which being Nicolas Smith who in 2005 gained five 20s' in the SACE programme, a perfect score.

"

javsav.

Yes, PAC do like to copy Saint Peters whenever they can! PAC forgot to mention that Mt. Gambier High School (a country public school) has an average TER ranking equal to that of PAC (around 80)!

And the above person is a tool and 'forgot' to sign their name! Also, why in any frame of mind, would you even think it would be encyclopaedic, to mention another school and compare their TER avg with ours on a wikipedia article?/... Idiot. Javsav 11:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the anonymous person being a 'forgetful' tool it is somewhat unlikely that the average TER of PAC students is 80 given that, for 2006, 29/141 students achieved a TER above 95, a further 15 between 90 and 95 and an additional 33 a TER between 80 and 90 (according to http://www.pac.edu.au/public/content/default.asp?xcid=1337&) . Maybe the forgetful tool should have gone to PAC as he may have learned the maths which would show that an average TER of 80 (momentarily accepting that it is 80) is inarguably excellent for two reasons. TERs are based on a bell curve and thus the state mean is 50 (far less than 80), and Prince Alfred College is a school which is not academically selective.

Well bloody done to Mt Gambier High if their average is 80...relevance factor here? 0.

-Scratchy (Scratchdawg 02:46, 15 February 2007 (ACST))

This page needs a re-write, it reads like a prospectus. -Rusty8

Sport, Fitness and Outdoor Education

I have added info for the above areas. This relates to my own experience and is derived from current activities etc. In 2007 the outdoor programme is set to expand to include a live in component at recently acquired land near the Innes Natonal Park (Yorke Peninsula). Ozdaren 05:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Music and the Arts at Prince Alfred College

Quite a bit of the information and the photos included seems quite superfluous for an encyclopedia article. We don't need to know intimate details about what classes you can take in year 10 for instance, might as well detail their entire school curriculum if you consider that relevant. Same with single studies options in year 8&9. I suggest severe review and pruning of this section, it's a lot of work and it's a shame to see Wgwallace's hard work go to waste, but hardly any of it is relevant. If PAC was a music specific college then this level of detail might be justified but its sporting program and its achievements in general academia are arguably much larger than its musical or artistic one yet the article seems to cope with keeping these brief, perhaps even too much so. It is a school after all. I would strongly suggest that information on the actual academic aspect of this establishment warrants a mention. As it is, this article reads like an advertisement for the arts program which is but one aspect of the school.

Certain people believe my attempt at pruning was a bit harsh, I admit that they have every right to, however I do believe this does need further discussion. Wikipedia articles should not souble as brochures. It lessens the integrity of the site.

No I agree, I was going to do that anyway Javsav 11:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prospectus or Encyclopedic information?

I have done a fairly heavy edit of the article, as it read far more like a document to persuade parents to send their children to this school than it an unbiased encyclopedic article. I have also removed details of the squads for football and hockey teams: at school level this is entirely non-notable. Kevin McE 01:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More non-notable material

I have removed more non-notable material. Discussion of fitness activities, musicals, school bands, building works etc that would be expected in any private school in Australia or elsewhere is not notable. I have also tidied links and added references. While I have left it there for the time being, I doubt whether a link to a personal web page of a former principal should remain. Murtoa 13:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I followed you deSchoolcrufting (as much as I hate the term and the essay is useless, it applies here). It tends to creep in from anonymous editors - until you come and look one day and the article is full of it. Alumni is a prime example of this. The whole alumni section needs referencing - while im reasonably sure it is accurate, nearly none is referenced.

Whats wrong with a link to the ex principle's website? :: maelgwn talk 13:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just considering WP:CITE, references should be from reliable, established third-party sources. A personal web page wouldn't meet this criteria. However, in this instance, it's less of an issue, since the reference isn't justifying a claim in the article, and is actually very well written and adds informative background to the person in question. Murtoa 22:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You would also have to remove links to the schools website. I would say this "reference" is appropriate in this case because it is only claiming the times he was headmaster at the school. :: maelgwn talk 00:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni

Removed unsourced Alumni as per Admin [User:Kusma|Kusma]]'s (talk) (unilateral) policy regarding other South Australian Schools. Please address all concerns on his talk page. A. Klapaucius 06:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such policy. Please do not address this on my talk page, but discuss this article here. Thank you, Kusma (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni - Bob Francis (radio)

I have added Bob Francis to the alumni list because he has said on air that he is a PAC (Prince Alfred College) Old Scholar.Would it be possible to use an image from Bob Francis' page on the FIVEaa website to put on his article page? Bob Francis Kathleen.wright5 16:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]