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Comment by Mark Jeays
I copied this article (which I wrote) over from Nupedia since Wikipedia is getting much more traffic. Mark Jeays
Great article. Singmaster's book is certainly the definitive one, but perhaps some mention should be made of Thistlethwaite's "decent though nested subgroups" algorithm? --LDC
Good idea. I haven't used that method, though. Perhaps you or someone else could add a paragraph on it. I didn't want to get into lengthy discussions on the methods of solving the cube however perhaps an overview of some of the common methods would be good. Mark Jeays
I think so. Since we are not restricted by the five-paragraph-rule here, we can extend to our heart's content :-) For example, I would love to see an elaboration on the group theory aspect, and then I could make a link from group theory to here. --AxelBoldt
I've added a link to someone's solution to the puzzle. It is listed as being GNU FDL licensed, so perhaps we can add it at Rubiks_Cube/Solution. However, I want to wait until I understand how subpages will be changed. -- Bignose
- Oh, duh. Just realised the solution link is authored by Mark Jeays. Hi, Mark! Please add the solution to Wikipedia if you like. -- Bignose
Hi! I was thinking of adding it (perhaps one solution only, since there is a good bit of extraneous stuff such as personal records and my ramblings that wouldn't be suitable). Also it could go in how-tos. I will try to do this later today (Nov. 21) but if someone else wants to, go right ahead. I think a separate page would be suitable. Mark Jeays
Hi. I thought I'd say that I have a Rubik's Cube Java applet, which runs in a browser window! I think it may be a ask-permission before you place it on your site, but if I got permission, do you think we'd be allowed to have a virtual Rubik's Cube on this page?
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to see more of here (along with images in general). Yes, you'd have to get the author's permission not just to post it here, but to release it under the GFDL. I also don't think the present Wiki software can handle Java applets directly yet, so it won't be possible to directly put it into the Wiki--it would have to be a page of its own with a link to it from the Wiki. --LDC
I think Wikipedians should not only be writing and editing articles, but promoting the site, and creating multimedia content suitable for articles - Mark Ryan
To comply with GFDL, we'd probably have to show the full source code to the Java applet too (which is a good idea in any event). --AxelBoldt
I returned the spoiler warning. Many details of the cube's mechanics, such as the fact that centre squares cannot be moved and the fact that each cubie is unique, are not obvious to people when they first encounter the puzzle; figuring those things out can be part of the challenge. -- Jod
- really? Those two facts can be deduced in about 30 seconds. We're not revealing the solution here. -- Tarquin 22:27 May 8, 2003 (UTC)
Well, you can and I can deduce it, but honestly many people can't, at least not right away, or not if it doesn't occur to them at all to look at it that way. I really think it's just fair to add the warning, even if only Great Fools need it. Anyhow, I think your repositioning of the warning works fine.
Who calculated the number or positions and how? Are all those positions reachable from the solved puzzle? I ask because by taking the cube apart and then putting it together many positions that are unsolvable can be created. Just try taking one piece and then reinsert it rotated in 180 degrees.--AstroNomer 01:02, Aug 16, 2003 (UTC)
Well, the rubik's cube is an interresting mathematical problem but also an interresting mechanism who knows about the internal of the rubik's cube ? Can someone put a cube in part to take photos ? Ericd 01:45, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I've pulled mine apart and shot it as you suggested. It's in the workings section. Curis 10:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
A semidirect product isn't a direct product! Phys 17:01, 28 Aug 2003 (UTC)
\semidirect does not work.
Okay, which should we be using: the direct product or the semidirect product? -- Anon
The sub/sup stuff needs to be sorted out... we're mixing math with it, and it looks funny. -- Taral 18:07, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Rubik's Cube as a mathematical group
the text "One choice is the following group, given by generators: (The last generator is a 3 cycle on the edges). Cp = [U2, D2, F, B, L2, R2, R2U'FB'R2F'BU'R2 ]" has me wondering about that last 3-cycle 'generator'. Wouldn't the simpler R2UD'F2U'D or equivalent be a better example? I'm confused by the extra pooh. 69.195.36.86 06:01, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I wrote the original section. I needed a three cycle, and I took the first that I could find. Its effect on the cube is nice and clean. The resulting group was checked with GAP, to see that it indeed has the stated properties. If you are convinced that you get the same group with the generator you indicate, and it is easier to understand that way, then feel free to change it. (If you need them, GAP definitions for the cube group can be found on the Net). Sander123 15:32, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Positions" vs. "Permutations"
I find the explanation of the solution a bit confusing. There's a blurring of the distinction between "positions" and "permutations". The Rubik's cube group is not a group of "positions", whose elements are actual fixed positions of the cube. The elements of the groups are permutations, the group of which acts on the set of all possible positions of the cube. In other words, the Rubik's cube group acts on the symmetric group S27, where the symmetric group represents actual positions. Of course, the action is really on some suitably nice subgroup of the symmetric group, namely the group of all realisable positions.
The "cube group" is first described as a group of "positions", then later it is intersected with another group generated by various "flips, twists", and so on. The positions themselves are not flips or twists, so this doesn't make sense. Revolver 01:13, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I'm not surprised the number of possible positions is questioned. The fact is that the six centre squares cannot be moved, only rotated. They are always in exactly the same position relative to each other. And the position of the other twenty pieces are not mutually exclusive. The actual number of possible genuinely distinct arrangements of the cube is therefore much less than generally stated. 8 pieces have only three colours on them, and 12 pieces have only 2 colours on them, so that limits the number of genuinely distinct positions that they can occupy.
- We only need to consider distinguishable combinations (positions plus rotations). The centers don't move, so they can be used as reference points. The eight corner pieces can only be in one of the eight corner positions. The remaining twelve edge pieces can be interchanged.
- To place an upper limit on the number of valid combinations, here are some calculations: For each of these sets, we consider the number of positions that they occupy (N!) multiplied by the number of rotations for each piece (M) multiplied by the number of pieces in that set (N), but (through experience) I have found that one piece from each set can have only one position. This means N! · (N - 1) · M. For corners, there are 8! · (8 - 1) · 3. For edges, there are 12! · (12 - 1) · 2. So the final result is: 8! · 21 · 12! · 22.
- Are there any other combinations that aren't allowed? — Val42 13:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Patent issues
A recent news article mentioned the possibility that the patent on Rubik's Cube had expired. Anyone know if this is the case? -- blahpers 17:28, 2004 Oct 29 (UTC)
Typing error?
This sentence: "The puzzle consists of the 26 unique miniature cubes ("cubies") on the surface" should probably have the number 27 instead as mentioned in the section above. Sir48-DK.
- What you are referring to is,
- This gives the impression that the cube is made up of 27 smaller cubes (3 × 3 × 3).
- But there is no 27th cube in the center of Rubik's Cube. —Sean κ. + 00:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- You're right. Its made up of 3*3*3 - 1 smaller cubies. The right number is 26. Rubik123 03:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Broken links
I changed the missing link How to solve the Rubik's Cube to Optimal solutions for Rubik's Cube.
Any idea what has happened to the original article? There are many links in the Wiki to this missing article. Jryden 02:45, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
- Ah, nevermind. A little research does wonders. So this article is moved to wikibooks. Okay, is this link change suitable and should I modify any other links. Any veterns have a suggestion. I'll leave my change in for now. Jryden 02:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
- ~sigh~ I should have read further, the link I choose was farther down in the paragraph. It seems to make sense just to remove the text altogether. Again, any concerns with this? It was (see Optimal solutions for Rubik's Cube for one such solution) Jryden 02:55, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
25th Anniversary
The BBC this morning are saying that today is the 25th anniversary of the Rubik's Cube, and there seems to be some speed cubing event later in the day to commemorate it. Unfortunately I can't find much on the web about it, and there doesn't seem to be any clear statement of exactly what the anniversary is of (surely not the patent, first sales perhaps).
If anyone can firm up the details this might be one for Selected Anniversaries. -- Solipsist 06:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed. BTW, I managed to get a link from BBC News -- Simon Heywood 11:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC).
- Nice - the foot of that article points back to Wikipedia for more information. -- Solipsist 11:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Possible Typo(?)
In the solutions section of the article the last paragraph states "...(8! × 38−1) × (12! × 212−1)/2..." Isn't that the same as (8! × 37) × (12! × 211)/2 ?
Should it have read: (8! × 38−1) × (12! × 212−1)/2 ?
--Bob 07:47, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Nope, that's not a typo. Corners can be oriented in 3^8 ways by taking apart the pieces, but without doing so, the orientations have to add up to 0 mod 3. That means the orientation of the first 7 corners determines that of the eighth, so 3^7. Similar for the edges.
Cheap imitations
This article doesn't mention the cheap imitation Rubik's Cubes. Whenever I try to work with those cheap things, all of the colorful stickers fall off. :) — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
- True. It's very hard to find real Rubik's cubes nowadays. -- Eagleamn 05:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
- Isn't "Rubik's" the so called official Rubik's cube maker? --- Acdx 23:29, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
- Try buying them online from www.rubiks.com Calculusfreak 20:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Probable error in maximal length of a minimal solution
In section "Permutations", the article states that any cube position can be solved in at most 23 turns. Presumably this refers to (quarter or half) face turns. But the citation provided does not seem particularly authoritative. Mathworld states that any cube can be solved in at most 29 face turns, a result due to Michael Reid. Computer programs that search for minimal solutions have have solved every position attempted in at most 20 or 21 face turns. Reducing this gap between the known upper bound on the length of a minimal solution and the hardest known positions is perhaps the most important unsolved problem in the theory of Rubik's cube.
--Rodney Topor
- Changed it to 29 --acipsen
- I think someone proved a month or two ago that all positions can be solved in 28 moves or less, but I can't find a source for that. --67.65.44.206 15:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- Woops, I forgot to log in.
- I think someone proved a month or two ago that all positions can be solved in 28 moves or less, but I can't find a source for that. --67.65.44.206 15:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Introduction
The intro says this:
- "It is a plastic cube comprising 26 smaller cubes that rotate around a typically unseen kernel. Each of the nine visible facets on a side of the Rubik's Cube exhibits one of six colours. When the puzzle is solved, each side of the Rubik's Cube is a different colour, but the rotation of each face allows the smaller cubes to be rearranged in many different ways. The challenge of the puzzle is to return the cube to its original state, in which each face of the cube consists of nine squares of a similar colour."
But the Rubik's Cube is not actually made of smaller cubes. I think this would be a better intro: "The 3X3X3 Rubik's Cube is made of 12 edge pieces with 2 faces each, 4 corner pieces with 3 faces each, plus a kernel with 6 different face pieces composing 3 axes which are all perpendicular. The cube has 9 square faces on each side, for a total area of 56 square faces, and occupies the volume of 27 cubic faces. Typically the faces of the cube are covered by stickers in 6 colors, one for each side of the cube. When the puzzle is 'solved,' each side of the cube is supposed to be a solid color."
Picky, picky, picky.... You're getting too technical. Calculusfreak 20:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
It's actually 8 corner pieces with three faces each. 8*3+2*12+6=9*6 Dwarf Kirlston 21:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Discussion? oneismany 10:37, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- Change "and occupies the volume of 27 cubic faces" to something more accurate and I say go for it. --Monguin61 09:02, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
You are welcome to change it to better describe the volume of 27 smaller cubes, but I was struggling because what is the unit of measurement? The size of the faces? The number of faces? The 4X4 has 64 cubic units and the 5X5 125 cubic units ... can we agree on the name of the unit? oneismanyUpdate: I (stupidly) ignored the section below and renamed the units to 'unit cubes', after reading it. oneismany 23:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would say leave it as it is, except for perhaps putting the word "cube" in quotation marks. The explanation you have here, while correct and well put together, may be a little overwhelming for an introduction. I would say put this information into the "Workings" section, which needs help and clarification anyway. (The Swami 20:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC))
- The "Workings" section mentions 56 "cubies" on the "surface". But cubes are volumes, not surfaces, and this information doesn't help to solve the puzzle. oneismany 23:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
What are the pieces called?
We ought to decide on a name to use for the individual centre, edge and corner pieces and stick to it. The names I've seen include cube, small cube, cubie, cubelet and piece. IMO we should save cube for when we're talking of the Rubik's Cube as a whole.... -- Smjg 12:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
- My book on the subject (by the mathematician David Singmaster, 1980) uses the terms unit cube and piece interchangeably. --Heron 14:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
- The speedcubing community uses the following terms quite consistently
- piece or cubie = any edge or corner
- edge piece = one of the 12 edges
- corner piece = one of the 8 corners
- kernel = the core part with 6 rotating axes
- Blonkm 17:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- The speedcubing community uses the following terms quite consistently
Render of the Rubik's cube
I made a render of the cube today, feel free to use it anywhere you like. Including this article.
I might also supply a non-scrambled version in a while
-- 25 December 2005
Rubik's Tesseract
Someone with a better understanding than mine might want to write about higher-dimensional analogs such as Rubik's Tesseract Archola 08:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
- Then you might be interested in this which lets you actually play with a (simulated) 4D cube. Have fun!—Tetracube 05:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
- The GabbaSoft cube is the best that i have found. a free demo is available here 218.186.9.1 04:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Idiot's Cube
Do you think it'd be appropriate to create a page for the Idiot's Cube? If not its own page, it ought to be mentioned somewhere in this article under "Parodies" or something. The reason I'm asking is that it might not quite fit in...oh here's the pic.
Peaceman 03:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- I would suggest creating a seperate page for the Idiot's cube. I agree that it doesn't belong here, but it certainly deserves a mention/link. I'd say go for it. (The Swami 03:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC))
Originally posed as a problem for students
I read somewhere that Rubik ogininally devised the cube as a an exercise for his students, to help them think logically and geometrically. Anyone know more about this?
- As I recall, Professor Rubik was a professor in industrial design and wanted his students to see that it was possible to create highly complex structures from simple concepts. Unfortunately I have no official source. --Blonkm 20:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Brit-Am spellings
Template:Brit-am John Reid 01:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
stupid cartoon =
Rubik the Amazing Cube is reported twice in the article and its producers are reported as both Hanna-Barbera and Ruby-Spears. Hanna-Barbera is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.28.52 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've moved conflicting section below, although I'm not an expert in the area. The Ruby-Spears mentioning was in a different section (Rubik's Cube in Popular Culture) than Hanna-Barbera (Popularity), and not sure which one would be more appropriate.
From [[1983]] to [[1984]], [[Hanna-Barbera]] produced twelve episodes of ''[[Rubik, The Amazing Cube]]'', a [[Saturday morning cartoon]] based upon the toy, which aired on [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] as part of "The Pac-Man/Rubik, Amazing Cube Hour."
- TheJC TalkContributions 05:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- User:sander123 As the contradiction is removed now, I removed the contracdict item from the main page. Btw imdb lists 4 producers.
alternative (imitation) "cube" dodecahedron
i used to have one of these, it was mechanically identical to the cube but each corner piece was sliced at a 45 degree angle to create a new face, this intersected the adjacent cubies so that the original faces were now smaller sqares at a 45 degree angle to the grid and there were now 8 additional triangular faces
the effect was somthing similar to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Truncatedhexahedron.jpg
edit: sig 213.249.159.244 09:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
cleaning up links
I cleaned up the links and put them in the cube wiki--Blonkm 21:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
edit pass
I did an edit pass on this, cleaning up some wordiness, clarifying some things, and improving consistency (e.g. Cube is capitalized when it refers to the whole puzzle, as it is short for Rubik's Cube, a proper noun). I also did a major reorganization on the notation section to make it flow more logically and adding info on Ideal's unorthodox notations (as I remember them -- can't find my Cube books at the moment, perhaps someone can verify). Since the article seems to use the British "colour" I've stuck with that. Jerry Kindall 06:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Permutations section
There needs to be more of an explanation of the mathematical formula in the section called "Permutations" that illustrates step-by-step.
I agree.
I think some of the information is actually altogether incorrect. For instance, "261 light years" and "256 times around the earth." I'm not a professional by any means, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't take more than a year for light to go the same distance as the circumfrence of the earth at it's equator.
Tekemperor 06:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I just realized it was referencing the entire surface of the earth, not just the circumference.Tekemperor 06:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Invisible cube?
The article says: "The 3×3×3 version, which is the version usually meant by the term "Rubik's Cube," has nine square faces on each side, for a total area of fifty-four faces, and occupies the volume of twenty-six unit cubes (not counting the invisible cube in the center)." (bolding added by me).
What is meant by this? I want to just remove that, but is what is meant that there is conceptually a space for a twenty-seventh cube? In an actual Rubik's Cube, there is no cube in the center (there is just the central axis) -- this makes it sound like there is. Any thoughts? --Twilightsojourn 12:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Conceptually, if you cut the cube into sub-cubes, the center of the cube is the 27th "sub-cube" or "cubie". But it is not really relevant here, since the Rubik's Cube isn't actually made of 27 sub-cubes, but with a central axis, as you said. I vote to remove the bolded statement.—Tetracube 19:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. I also vote to remove the bolded section -- and perhaps reword the entire sentence, to make it a bit clearer (maybe saying that there are 26 cubies, instead of that it "occupies the volume of twenty-six unit cubes"?). --Twilightsojourn 20:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Spelling error?
I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm not sure about this, but it looks like the following sentence is missing a verb:
"Some Cubes have also commercially produced with markings on all of the squares..."
Shouldn't this be:
"Some Cubes have also been produced commercially with markings on all of the squares..." Stingray 19:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- I do believe you are right! Good catch! --Twilightsojourn 20:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- I've edited the article to fix the error. I hope it's correct now. Stingray 08:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Popular culture
This is from this article
"and when Homer solves a basket full of Cubes after becoming a genius in "HOMЯ""
However, clicking on the link to "HOMR" tells us that Homer's IQ in that episode is increased to 105. 150 is genius. 105 is slightly above average.
Also, there's a "Fresh Prince of Bel Air" episode where Carlton is trying to get into Princeton. Will just stops by the recruiters office for some reason or another and Will solves the Rubik's cube sitting on his desk. This impresses the recruiter and gets Will a spot at Princeton. Carlton was already having trouble with the pressure of getting in and this all makes it worse. He ends up blowing the interview completely and I think he even tries to solve the cube himself and can't do it.
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Has a 6x6x6 cube really been made?
The introduction to this page suggests that it is possible to make one (I've only read the introduction so far). I've played with a virtual one on a website, but I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that it was impossible to physicaly make one. The same article said that it was possible to make a 7x7x7 one but nothing larger. (wik@def.me.uk)
See this. It claimed, a few years ago, that 6x6x6 cubes would be available to the public within a few months. They still aren't available, but some prototypes (such as the one in the video at the bottom of the page) exist. I haven't heard of any "limited edition" 7x7x7 cubes. I'll change the introduction accordingly. --Ravi12346 15:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- I saw a picture of a 7x7x7 on a fansite. it had curved sides. 218.186.9.1 05:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Spoiler Warning
Should there be a spoiler warning over the "solutions" part of the article, since it kinda spoils the fun of figuring it out for one's self? Ninetywazup? 23:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Game award in Pop Culture
I know its important to mention that the cube won an award for best puzzle, however I don't think that it belongs under the pop culture section.65.100.48.231 19:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
First non-spherical 9x9x9 cube
As of Feb 22, 2007 Tony Fisher released some details of his non-spherical 9x9x9 cube at [1].
It's worth noting that 7x7x7 and larger cubes by Panagiotis Verdes are all somewhat spherical as shown at [2] which makes this 9x9x9 even more special.
Could someone add this information to the article. I'm not good enough in writing to do that by myself. 80.248.242.86 13:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, that was a hoax, which is now mentioned in that thread. This section can be deleted. 80.248.242.86 09:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Problem with "Rubik's Revolution"
I have a problem with this lines: "In 2007, the first electronic Rubik's Cube was created-- the Rubik's Revolution. The Rubik's Revolution is a traditional cube with six different ways to play. Each game features light, sound and voice effects and multiple levels to unlock, each challenging your mind and dexterity. The Rubik's Revolution offers not only individual play, but also multi-player gaming. The Rubik's Revolution will be in stores summer of 2007." I am afraid it's not an information, but more like an advertisment, and it should not be here. What do you think? Mozaik 15:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- If the information is true, maybe it just needs a rewrite. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 22:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
External links section
Should the External links section be subdivided? Just giving it a brief look, seems there is three categories (though I can't rightly define the third) those being Official Links, Solution Links and other types. At the moment there seems to be chaos as they're all mixed up in a hodge podge. Anyone up to sorting them out? -Gohst 13:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Color versus Colour
The words colour en centre have been changed back and forth to color and center a couple of times in this article now. Why are they changed all the time in this article? Perhaps we can settle on one or the other. Personally I have a preference for colour and centre, but I can live with either. The original article uses colour and center. Any opinions? Sander123 08:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- There is a standard guideline (WP:ENGVAR) about this sort of thing: go back in the history to the first instance where either American or English spelling was used, and use that same spelling for all subsequent editing. It isn't perfect, but at least it is an objective tie breaker. CMummert · talk 12:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
In this case, the very first edit used "colour".CMummert · talk 13:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- An even earlier edit ([3] probably not the first) used both! --Henrygb 18:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- I gave the wrong link - how did that happen? The first edit I see now is from 2001-11-21 [4]. You're right - it does use both. And you're right that, based on the edit summary, it was probably not actually the first edit. Were the very old histories lost in a crash or something? CMummert · talk 18:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- There was a cut-and-paste move from Rubiks Cube so I just merged the page histories. Not your error. --Henrygb 22:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
The original version doesn't give a clear answer then. First of all, we agree that the choice is between {colour, centre} and {color, center}? According to the oxford dictionary these are the British/Us variants.
I've looked at the first edition of this article in each year, starting at 2002. Here are the versions [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
From these I conclude the following. Up to 2004 there was no preference for colour or color but in 2005 and 2006 there was a preference for colour in 2007 it was changed to color. Up to 2006 there was no preference for centre/center but in 2007 it changed in center.
It seems that historically there was a slight preference for British English. I propose to stick to British English then, and in particular {colour, centre} for this article. Opinions? Sander123 10:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- My opinion is the the longer we discuss it the less work we get done. Almost any English speaker will be able to read both versions, so it makes little difference which one we use. So the British spellings are fine with me. CMummert · talk 12:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- This discussion has been on the discussion page for a while now. As no others have expressed an opinion, I take it that everybody agrees with British spelling. I've updated the article accordingly. Thanks to all for participating. Sander123 14:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Date of Invention
A recent edit changed the date of invention from 1974 to 1978. A quick google search reveals many sources that state that the cube was invented in 1974. This could be vandalism, but I thought I would bring the issue up on the talk page first before the date is changed again. Vvitor 06:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- If you could, find the best (most authoratative) reference to the creation date and add a footnote to the article with that link. This would help make it clear what the correct date is. CMummert · talk 12:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've done this, and the source I used was the official website of the cube (as listed in the "External Links" section). Thank you for your help in the matter. Vvitor 13:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Removal of Simpsons quote
I undid your change to inlude the comment "including Homer's classic (... use your main finger) in the article Rubik's Cube. I feel that it did not add to the article in an encyclopaedic manner in the context of Rubik's Cubes. Feel free to argue against my action on my Talk page User A1 01:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Centre faces
What's up with the Centre faces section. All the cubes in the pictures have colored center faces. --Apoc2400 05:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- I don't understand your question. Do mean that there should be a picture added with a cube with marked centre faces? Sander123 07:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Massimiliano Iseppon
Does anybody know who Massimiliano Iseppon is? He was added as a fellow inventor of the cube. Can anybody confirm/source it? I removed it for now. Sander123 07:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Will Smith
The article says that Will Smith's ability to complete a Rubik's cube is still under speculation, but he did solve a cube while appearing on the Oprah Winfrey show to advertise "The Pursuit of Happyness". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.18.117 (talk) 03:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
The following was taken from [11] The man who taught Smith how to solve the cube so fast was the organizer of Saturday's event. Tyson Mao, who recently graduated from Caltech, is one of the world's fastest speedcubers and a founder of the World Cube Association, which holds such events around the world.∆ Algonquin 11:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Alternative Competitions
"In addition, informal alternative competitions have been held, challenging participants to solve the cube under unusual situations. These include:"
This whole section needs to be reworded. As a speedcuber, I can tell you a few of these things (specifically one handed and blindfold) are not informal, but just as competitive as the standard 3x3 cube. There are also various other things that speedcubers do that are much less competetive; see http://www.speedcubing.com/records for a full list.
Blasphemized 03:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
China?
Can anyone verify the edit stating the origins are Chinese? I find this hard to believe. User A1 14:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Im going to remove it. verifiability.
Rubik's Cube 1980-2005
Continued from the previous subject. When trying to search for it on Google I couldn't even find a reference to this anniversary cube at all. Can somebody confirm that? Sander123 08:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Rubik's did release a 25th anniversary version of the cube. It has shiny stickers on it. Pictures and references can be found on google fairly easily by using the correct search terms. Blasphemized 05:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I tried but I didn't find them. Can you give me some? Thanks. Sander123 12:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Lowest amount of moves needed
I'd like to add "Using mathmatical group theory, scientists from Northeastern Univeristy have proved that the maximum amount of necessary permutations is 26." to the article, but i dont know how to refrence it to http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070531131326.htm, could someone else do that for me? --207.179.172.220 13:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The Rubik's Cube - when available in England
Text keeps appearing at the top of the Rubik's Cube article to the effect that the Magic Cube was being sold by David Singmaster as "Rubik's Cube" in England "by 1976".
Two points:
1) The Cube had not even been manufactured in 1976 and was available absolutely nowhere. The first test batches of Cubes were manufactured in late 1977 in Hungary. This information is available on the official Rubik's Online site -
http://www.rubiks.com/lvl3/index_lvl3.cfm?lan=eng&lvl1=inform&lvl2=medrel&lvl3=histry
2) The Cube did not become Rubik's Cube until 1980 - it was renamed by Ideal Toys. This information is also available via the link to Rubik's Online above. David Singmaster sold Cubes to friends and colleagues in England from around 1978 onwards - but they were "Magic Cubes" and he did not rename them.
To prove my point further that David Singmaster did not rename the Magic Cube, a comment of his from 1980, quoted in the book "20th Century Words" by John Ayto (Oxford, 1999) (ISBN 0-19-860230-8):"
"... the Magic Cube is now being sold as Rubik's Cube... [the Ideal Toy Corp.] has renamed the cube as 'Rubik's Cube' on the grounds that 'magic' tends to be associated with magic."
So Concerned about Inaccuracies on Rubik's Cube Page I've Joined Wiki!
I sent the Rubik's Cube in England post above and have been so concerned about the "Rubik's Cube" sold in England in 1976 inaccuracies that were at the beginning of the Wiki article, I have decided to join you!
For better or worse, I am a 1980s historian, and it took quite a lot of trouble to get the history of the Cube sorted and understood as it is quite complicated. I would be grateful if an eye can be kept on this article. The inaccurate information may reappear.
The basic Cube timeline, as I'm sure you all know, is:
1974: Erno Rubik invents the Magic Cube
Late 1977: First test batches of Magic Cubes in Budapest toy shops.
1978 & 1979: The Magic Cube becomes popular in Hungary and some Western World academics become interested. In June 1979, English mathematician David Singmaster writes a newspaper article on the Magic Cube - the first to appear outside Hungary. In September,Ideal Toys sign a deal to bring the Magic Cube to the West.
1980: Magic Cube makes its debut in January and February at the toy fairs of London, Paris, Nuremberg and New York. The Cube is then manufactured to bring it in line with Western World safety and packaging norms. A lighter Cube is produced and renamed "Rubik's Cube".
Rubik's Cube makes it debut in the USA in May 1980 although, due to a shortage, there are delays in some other countries, including the UK, which has to wait until just before Christmas.
I hope that you will help to keep the Wiki Rubik's info accurate. A great deal of work goes into recording the pop culture of recent decades, and it's a shame when bizarre and inaccurate information infects the system!
A Wiki page which (wrongly) informs people that the Rubik's Cube was on sale at the Open University in England in 1976, before going on (rightly) to tell the story of the Cube's invention, its release in Hungary in 1977 and its renaming as Rubik's Cube in 1980, contradicts itself, makes nonsensical reading - and is a little frustrating to those of us who devote time to writing the decades as they really were.
Looking forward to being a part of the Wiki community...
(Brett1980s 01:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC))
- Any relation to timecube?
"Supercubing"?
I've never heard this term and a Google search of "supercubing" and "rubik's" gives nothing appreciable. There's one mention of bigger cubes, but nothing else. Does anyone have the courage to remove it? Hyperneural 02:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- this is a very common thing among speedcubers and nothing special. It means the cube is solved with the centres in the original orientation. --Blonkm 17:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
A four-side pyramid?
I seem to remember someone solving a four-sided Rubik's 'cube' many years ago. Does anyone else recall seing them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.154.17.98 (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
A Pyraminx? Hyperneural 04:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Rubik's cube software
I added a section on software. Now without having it loaded with external links soon, maybe we can have a List of Rubik's cube software puzzle. --Blonkm 17:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)