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Own Page

Why do some of the espada have their own page but other's don't? I know that Arorino (I don't have the page open, excuse the spelling) used to have his own page, but now he doesn't. I can understand the espada that have only been very briefly shown, but I think a major character that was involved with [Spoiler]'s possible death deserves his own page. SoulReaverDan 23:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The four Espada who currently have articles are allowed such a privilege because they're active at the moment. It seems possible that they, or at least Nnoitra and Szayel, will be merged when their part is finished. As for Aaroniero, he's only around for about four chapters, so there really isn't an article's worth that can be said about him. ~Snapper T o 03:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since is very unlikely Nnoitra or Szayel will recieve any real relevance soon, even if they survive their fights, I agree with merge their articles now (yeah, I know this is being discussed on "characters in bleach", but it seems more efficient this way). Among the Arrancar/Hollow, only Ulquiorra and Grimmjow, so far, had enough to be granted their own articles. - Access Timeco 02:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why not after their respective fights and see whether they die or not then we merge their pages. The world isn't ending today, and there is plenty of time to wait for awhile until their part is played. Access, what do you mean very unlikely? Nnoitra is in the middle of fighting with Ichigo, and Szayel just released his zanpakuto. If I remember correctly, the last time we saw an Espada released his zanpakuto was Grimmjow, and that itself took 4 chapters or so.--Hanaichi 02:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that have a long fight is not enough to grant you an article. Aaroniero had one, and I think we all agree he doesn't have enough material to justify an own article. And, if, in the future, Nnoitra get enough relevance to deserve one (I don't doubt he will), his article will not be deleted, just inactivated. We'll just have to undo the redirect edit and it will be back, is not like all the work in the article will be lost if we merge it. - Access Timeco 14:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Szayel has more info than Ulquiorra, c'mon, Ulquiorra played a small part in Yammy&Ulquiorra vs Yoruichi&Urahara, and Ulquiorra vs Ichigo took 2 chapters, but Szayel vs Ishida&Renji first part took 3 chapters. Both of them got their numbers revealed, both got their last name revealed, but only Szayel released his zanpakuto and revealed his zanpakuto name. We've got more than enough info about his fraccions, while Ulq has none known. I know he appeared earlier, but spending some private time with Orihime doesn't make Ulquiorra the main character.!!!!Hartebeest 04:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC) Last edited by Hartebeest 04:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They really all should be merged except for Grimmjow, who has received a significant amount of backstory and coverage. As for now, let's wait until the fights wind down before doing anything. And Hartebeest, I reverted your initial post because it was a blatant personal attack. Be civil to other editors. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, didn't I already changed it and apologized? You've made your point. Hartebeest 05:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So its generally agreed, we wait until their battles are over.--Hanaichi 05:12, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about Ulquiorra then? He has less information than Szayel. Hartebeest 02:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows, alot more could come, like what happened to Grimmjow. No need to be in a rush.--Hanaichi 10:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Szayel is not that relevant, although. Ulquiorra maybe has less info concerning his fighting abilities (something that can be explained in just one paragraph, so it doesn't make so much difference), but his appearances are always important to the development of the main story. - Access Timeco 15:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, its generally agreed that we wait until their parts are over then merge them. I have a feeling alot more about Ulquiorra is going to be revealed in the future.--Hanaichi 02:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An image for the Arrancar

Should we add a new image of Luppi from the anime? I think we should but tell me your opinion.

Well, anime picture is always better, but people would need time to get it.--Hanaichi 13:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yup i think we should as well. i think it would be great if eventually, all images would be anime pictures for consistency. if it's not possible, well too bad i guess =D Twsl 20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.12.96 (talk) 21:45, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Didn't I already talked about it? EDIT: So it's generally agreed, we'll try. Hartebeest 05:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's me again, I think que should add a new image of Wonderwice From the anime too. 193.153.197.193 (talk)

yah, we should. but i don't think this episode can give us a good picture of him. but you're more than welcome to prove me wrong xD Twsl 16:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Truu, nobody would wanna see a naked arrancar, think there would be a few good image for Luppi in the next episode. Hartebeest 21:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added one. See Image:WonderwiceAnime.jpg. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest leaving the manga image for Wonderweiss. It's the more official character design, in color, and doesn't look like it was drawn in marker by a 12 year old. --tjstrf talk 04:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have always disliked the images taken from the color spreads, as there is always significant clutter in the background, especially in the case of that image. If that image could be cleaned up, then I wouldn't mind putting it back. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We should wait for next weeks Bleach episode for a better view of Wonderwice, other than the half naked one or the kiddish odd picture.--Hanaichi 12:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Think we should trash Image:Espada-group.jpg soon, and add images for individual Espadas (Stark, Halibel, and Unnamed), because the group image only show part of their face and when I first look at it (May 2007, when I catch up with manga), I was like WTF! -- Hartebeest 02:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to do something similar when I first came here but someguy8309 (or something) kept reverting back saying this page isn't a gallery :( so maybe we can find a good grouppicture of the espada? Twsl 15:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as you probably haven't read WP:NFCC, you probably haven't noticed that articals or sections which doesn't have enough information can't get a image. The Espada group image is far by the best GROUP image we can get, unless you want the ultra blur one from the anime opening. Stop complaining, there is something called fair use and what you are trying to do isn't exactly fair. You guys are breaching the fair use copyright bla bla bla thing so its either no individual picture per section, or deletion of our article. Live with it.--Hanaichi 04:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all it's articles, not articals. Secondly, who's complaining? Did I miss something? Why are you mumbling about fair use? Do you hear me saying that we have to place pics for each person? No, so don't be saying "you guys are breaching the fair use". Next time read very carefully what a person says otherwise don't post at all understood? Ontopic: When I find a better pic of the espada as a group , I will replace the current one. Twsl 10:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Basically the guideline is to use as few images as possible except where there is significant discussion of the image itself. Since we know nothing about the characters that don't already have their own images, so we can't discuss them enough to put any. --tjstrf talk 10:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well if it's really in the rules to use as few images as possible, I think there are a few images that we can replace. For example, in the newest episode of bleach (the espada invasion) we see a groupshot of Grimmjow, Yami, Wonderweiss and Luppi. Besides that there are also seperate pics of for example Yami and Luppi together. Just a suggestion. If anyone is against this please do tell :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twsl (talk • contribs) 11:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, leave it as is. The rule is to use as few unimportant pictures as possible, they still have to be usable though. Group shots of characters with no particular attachment to each other does not fall under that category. --tjstrf talk 11:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, got it. Twsl 12:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I still prefer colored images from manga, since they depict the character as the creator imagines (the anime is somehow different since is not him who is drawing). But, well, whatever. I was thinking, since we have an "Espada" image, shouldn't we delete the Yammy one (since he already appear on the first)? Aaroniero is ok because the first image doesn't show his face. - Access Timeco 15:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And Luppi? EDIT: and we should trash the group image sooner or later, when Stark, Halibel, and the 2 unnamed arrancar gets enough information. Hartebeest 15:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Luppi is not in that image. And don't trash the Espada one u.u it is just SOOOOO much better than the crap anime material :( and it also works on the Hollow (Bleach) article. - Access Timeco 16:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The only time that image is going to go is when the anime reaches the Espada meeting during the Hueco Mundo arc, when all ten Espada are in a single picture. And only if that picture is half-decent. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 00:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i tought Arturo Plateado name was Altoro Plateado so wich is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revan376 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nell's officially romanized name

I just saw the cover of the new chapter. Before I go on a renaming rampage can anyone verify if this is the real deal? Twsl 07:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the scans actually come out, and then we'll change it. It avoids possible problems later. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 07:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's still Nell; the second L is attached to the bottom of the N. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.70.34 (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC) Edit: I just changed it back to Nell. PLEASE don't revert it, because that is how her name is spelled. Or at least wait until the chapter shows up.[reply]

There's definitely not two L's in that picture... Kangarugh22 20:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

71.243.70.34 is right. There IS two L's. The second is, like he said, "attached to the bottom of the N". - Access Timeco 22:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I probably should have looked in here first before editing, but with at least one scan out now, there's nothing to suggest that the N is merged with an L. 69.65.70.103 16:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I said it based on the right side of the letter, where you can see that the N ends right after it meets Nell's head, so the long part on the left side should be another letter (an L). But now, seeing Nnoitra's cover, I see that the N lower part deffinetly have a horizontal part that is missing before the supposedly L. So, I am not sure of anything anymore XPPPPP

If I have to guess, I would stay with it being two letters merged since everyone who was an Espada has a double letter (Ulquiorra, Grimmjow, Luppi, Szayel Aporro, Nnoitra, Aaroniero, Yammy, Dordonii, Cirucci)... but, well, we know Nell is just a nickname, so it doesn't have to follow this apparent "rule" anyway. - Access Timeco 16:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not to sound condescending, but with the upper portion of the right side of the N extending to the right in a similar fashion, there is zero reason to believe that there is a hybridized N/L character signifying a double L in the spelling of her nickname. The cover page clearly shows "N E L", and imagining the possibility of entire letters being hidden behind the character is completely speculation. I've seen very crowded cover pages, as was the case with Nnoitra, but has ther ever been a history of two characters being represented by one, hybrid character? 69.65.70.103 16:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you spell words diagonally with different sized letters and in different directions? Of course not. Kubo does, though, so until we get a clear, full view shot, it's Nell. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A high quality image of the cover was released some good hours ago on Jojohot's chinese scanlation. And, yeah, I agree with 69.65.70.103, it is Nel. - Access Timeco 18:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And now that a normal raw is out, I do as well. Just funny accented lines. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

...And then the data book will come out and say it's actually spelled "Nerl". Oh well, such is life. --tjstrf talk 19:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image for Nell...

Is it possible we could switch back to the old one? Because that new image looks really...weird. Either that, or we can have to images of her child form and her adult from combined into one image. see Grand Fisher's image and you know what I'm talking about..RedEyesMetal 11:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure we can. I will not do this because the new one shows her fullbody, so I prefer it. But if you want the old one, you can go there and change the image to NellTu (Tou? Can't remember).jpg. I believe no one will complain. - Access Timeco 13:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I prefered the previous one as well. She doesn't have anything that makes her body special/important so in my opinion just a picture of the face will do =). Seeing you give your permission to change it back, I'm changing it back. Twsl 15:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Current pictures of the Espada -> released or non-released?

While I was reading the previous topic, I was wondering, is there ever decided to use only released or only non-released pictures to illustrate the members of the Espada? Somebody recently changed the picture of Luppi to a released version. I actually think that the non-released version of the Espada can hold some relevance as well. In Luppi's case he doesn't change that much, but (for example) Aaroniro does. The current article consists of released/non-released arrancar mixed together (well actually Luppi is the only one in a released state). Question 1: could we change that to just one type for the consistency? Question 2: Could we "merge" two pictures together like the Grandfisher picture? I'd prefer a merge. Of course this doesn't apply for all the arrancar, but just the Espada that have an own picture at the moment. The "gillian 5" etc. should be left alone since they're minor characters. I'd like to hear your thoughts please =) Twsl 15:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one for the Luppi pic, it was me who uploaded the released form. I uploaded a new version for better view. Its a bit ugly, but oh well. Its true, Luppi doesn't change that much, nor does Grimmjow(does long hair and panter like body count?At least his structure is the same) So maybe we should upload release and non release.--Hanaichi 12:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, the new version is fine =D Twsl 13:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd consider Grimmjow's release a significant change, considering how much his face shifts. Luppi does hardly change at all though; just a new helmet and weapon. --tjstrf talk 03:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nell Tu

Even though the scantilation is probably one day away, you should still not post speculation. Nell does not have a zanpakuto in that picture, and we don't know what number she was. 75.0.189.185 23:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't Nel be with the rest of the Privaron Espada?67.42.214.24 00:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, of course not. The Privarons all have triple-digit numbers and lived in Tres Cifras. They're also all still on Aizen's side, as well as being "natural" ones as opposed to being created from the Hougyoku. Since Nel has a tattoo, one'd think she's an artificial one and therefore isn't anything like a Privaron. 75.0.189.185 01:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nell DOES have a zanpaktou, you can see it clearly on page 11, and 13 Also, is it possible that Pesse and Dondo are Nell's Fraction? I know the Fraction are suppose to be arrancar, but is it possible since they can sense her transformation? (24.205.190.225 18:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

When I posted that, Chapter 291 wasn't out, and you can't see her Zanpakuto anywhere in Chapter 290, please check the timestamp before saying things like this. Your second point is pure speculation and cannot possibly be verified 75.0.189.185 23:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nel is an "Natural" Espada, they stated in the last chapter that's it's been years since she was kicked out and they only had the Hougyoku for what? 3 months now?

That's a bit vague at the moment. During the flashback of Dordonii we clearly see that Nnoitra was one of the first born by the hogyoku. So how was he able to kick her out "years ago" while he was born just three months ago? I wonder if what he said was true.. Twsl 09:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hah!It means everyone is a liar! Lol joking joking. How do you know whether Nel is a Natural Espada? It was never stated. As for Nnoitra, he could be just lying the same way Arleri did to Rukia. --Hanaichi 09:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page for Nell?

I can't help but think, given how much time has been spent on her of late, that Nell deserves her own page---at least, if Ulquiorra and Grimmjow do. Corbmobile 23:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet, there isn't enough material to write about her, even less than Ulq. At least Ulq was credited with two invasions of the real world, and actually kidnapping Orihime.75.0.189.185 00:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the end of her fight with Nnoitra, then ask again.

Point taken. Probably should wait until then. Corbmobile 04:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

unsigned comment added by 71.243.92.78 (talk) 01:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colored image of adult Nel Tu

I'd like to add an image of adult Nel but as there are no official colored images I wanted to add an image like shown below. Is it not allowed to use colored images that resembles the same colors as the original? Or are we only allowed to use strictly official colored images? Is there some kind of policy regarding this? Thanks =) Twsl 10:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No fan work, it is a breach of copyright of the author. It can only be colour if the author has released colour, or just have a black and white picture of Nel's "Espada" form, or wait until the anime reaches that point. σмgнgσмg 10:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that's clear, deleting the image. Thanks! Twsl 11:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. σмgнgσмg 12:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Pesshe and Dondo

Considering the latest chapter said that Nnoitra removed their masks, so shouldn't they be under Numeros as they techinically are arrancar?--Hanaichi 14:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yea, i suppose they are.. i still wonder if they were already arrancar and nnoitra basically removed the mask remnants or if they were just regular hollows.. but either way they're supposed to be arrancar now, i think.. so yeah :) Twsl 17:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They're clearly not arrancar anymore, nor is it actually made clear that they were even arrancar to begin with, come to think of it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When they were lying on the ground we could clearly see the clothes. Until now we have never seen a regular hollow with clothes on and furthermore, if they were regular hollows, would their sanity still be intact enough to be nell's loyal servants? i doubt it. It was clear to me that they just have to revert back to their old arrancar form. buuut of course i don't really have hard evidence when i think about it, so lets wait =D Twsl 12:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan. To add to that, Aizen didn't have the Orb at the time, so it's safe to assume hollows would have to do in the absence of arrancar. Plus, for the amount of blood they showed, their masks would have had to be fairly intact. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neliel surname

In chapter 294, Tesla called her "Neliel Tu Oder". So Oderschvank should be splitted into "Oder Schvank". Until we get the official romanization, that's it. 82.50.157.17 00:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Four names? (Well, unless "tu" is something like "de" or "von.")—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

well it could be the same as calling someone "jen" instead of "jennifer" because the name is too long or whatever. Twsl 21:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We're not talking about a name, but a surname.82.48.49.223 01:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]