Talk:State Military characters of the Fullmetal Alchemist anime

Sheska's name

I read through Sheska's profile and realized some mis information. It says that "Sony's Aniplex anime DVDs and website spell her name as Sheska", but when I performed a google search, i found this website Anime News Network had it spelled as Sciezka, which also happens to be the spelling in the DVD booklet as well as in the DVD itself. I wasn't able to find anything on FUNimation and their spelling. Should we leave this as is or correct it with "Sciezka"? I'd like to correct it, but i'd rather all sources confirmed first. Thanks. Matt Deckman 04:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

We should keep this a proper encyclopedia entry..

Although we all love that analogy of Riza being Mustang's queen... I don't believe that paragragh explaining the analogy should be included in the character summary. Tempting as it is to describe every single details of each recent chapter, only major points of the storyline that contributes into explain a character's background should be included here.

Who agrees? itakoaya

Agreed70.23.214.45 08:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

"Could this mean a relationship is about to form?"-removed, speculations out the window70.23.214.45 08:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Kimbley Rewrite

The recently released Chapter 61 of the Manga further develops the as-of-yet mostly unseen Kimbley, so I felt a rewrite was in order for his Manga profile. I probably botched some of it, but it's a start. This is merely a disclaimer, should someone stumble upon the article and wonder why some of Kimbley's information has apparently been altered or edited. - Nepharski July 12 2006, 5:20 PM

198.53.149.229 02:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Mustangs Movie rank

In the notes, i know it is only a small part of the article but it says he is a corporal in the movie, which is incorrect, ive seen and watched the japanese version (with subtitles) and when they speak they say 'Taisa' which is 'Colonel' in japanese Not 'Gochou' which is corporal.

Upon further review i have seen the epilette on his shoulder as being infact a corporal, my mistake i can only assume they refer to him as 'taisa' in the movie out of respect much like they still call armstrong major even though he is no longer in the military. However demoting him 8 ranks and from a Comissioned officer to an NCO is bizarre.

- I believe the director wanted the audience to make up their own minds whether Roy got demoted (due to his rebellion against King Bradley?? since the others didn't know he was indeed a homunculus), or had made the decision himself out of regret/shame (?) to all that had happened during the anime series.

Actually, it’s because he gave up alchemy, and therefore was no longer a state alchemist. State alchemists start at the rank of major, so when he gave up being an alchemist he gave up the rank boost. –Sanlador, 14:42, September 25, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanlador (talk • contribs) 21:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Even in the anime, after Mustang was promoted to Brigadier General he was still known to his faction (by that I mean Javoc, Hawkeye, Fuery and the rest including Ed and Al) as Colonel. I think they call him that because they're familiar with him. Even when Havoc speaks to Mustang in the movie he says Colonel then corrects himself.

Mäes or Maes?

In the character profile for Hughes, his first name is written as "Mäes". Is that an official spelling? Because I'm pretty sure it's incorrect. According to Sony's Fullmetal Alchemist Website, the official spelling in his profile is "Maes Hughes". How did it become "Mäes"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by kyuu (talk • contribs)

Maybe they watched too many Germans in Conqueror of Shamballa? --maru (talk) contribs 07:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Make an entry below Maes’ profile noting that spelling. There is already a notice that some names contain multiple spellings, so this would be acceptable; however the official spelling should be used. TomStar81 10:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, German doesn't use umlauts over E. Only A, O and U. In French it's used to denote a glottal stop, but this doesn't seem to be how Hughes' name is pronounced (it would be 'Mah-ez' instead of 'Maze'). --Tydaj 18:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

In all 9 volumes of manga currently translated into English, the spelling of his name is Maes, not Mäes. As such, I have changed the article to spell all references to 'Mäes Hughes' into 'Maes Hughes.' Anyone is free to revert this, if they find it necessary. (I also added a sentence at the beginning of Maes Hughes paragraph, stating that his name is sometimes spelt as Mäes) Glotnot 00:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding Characters from FMA games

Would it be a good idea to add State Military officers from the video game version too in the rank section? 140.161.76.130 21:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Not on this page, but we do have a page for Fullmetal Alchemist characters appearing in video games, the link for which is at the bottom of this page (among others). You can add the State Military officers there, if they have not already been added. TomStar81 22:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I remember going to the FMA 3 website and seeing more characters (No State Military, I believe). I'd gladly do it, but I can't read Japanese. Such a turn off. 70.68.46.180 02:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

State Military Arsenal

I noticed that the State Military had SMGs resembling modified M1 Thompsons and Gewehr 43 semi-auto rifles. Were they taken from real-life WWII weapons and modified? Thanks if answered. 70.68.46.180 05:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

-the anime state military use weapons that do seem to be based on German WWII small arms

-there is mention of the pistol issued for every military personnel in fanbook2, and maybe that can be included as well.

Captain rank

If the Captain did not exist in the Amestrian armed forces, when why was Juliet Douglas addressed with the said rank before? 70.68.46.180 20:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Could be a translation error. I have no proof of that, however, its just a guess. TomStar81 22:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

When Lt. Hawkeye was telling Ed about the Ishball campaign in chapter 59~60 Hughes was promoted from Lt. to Captain so the rank does exist.

It could be the rank is Manga-exclusive; however, in lew of this new development I am wondering if maybe the rank was ommitted in the anime on account of no character(s) holding it. TomStar81 22:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably. I did a recent check in the profiles guidebook that mentioned about the Captain rank. Maybe it's an anime thing. Ominae 21:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Also read up on the 64th chapter. There's an officer named Captain Buccaneer, one of Major General Armstrong's subordinates in the manga. I'll see if I can add it. 70.68.143.168 07:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

No major characters held it in the anime, but watch episode 31, "Sin". There is a scene showing an officer wearing the rank of Captain: 3 stripes, 3 stars on his shoulder. It's the scene where the Captain tells Archer that Bradley made no plans to visit the south headquarters. I believe the captain rank image should be added in light of this. Arcturis 05:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Armstrong

I just noticed some interesting parallels between Armstrong and George Armstrong Custer. Both have a similar physical features and a pretty boy attitude. Was this intentional? --Tydaj 18:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. Sometimes anime characters will be loosly based on other anime characters or on real life people. I do not know if this is true for anime, but in America animated characters usually bare a passing resemblance to the people who voice the characters. TomStar81 03:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Basque Gran's powers

"His alchemy title refers to Grand’s ability to transmute the iron in his blood to an assortment of guns and other weapons."

Is there any verifiable factual foundation for this statement? If not, it should be removed. --66.65.114.230 01:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Which Character is perverted?

We could simply link to that one characters redirect page.--Jack Cox 02:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Its probably in refernce to mustang, since he always seems to get Havocs girls and once boldly proclaimed that when he became furhur all female members of the military would be required to wear short miniskirts. I personally do think this qualifies him as a perv, but thats my opinion. TomStar81 03:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Riza's name

In the manga once during a telephone conversation with Colonel Mustang he called her Elizabeth. This could have been just a cover name but could also refer to Riza's full name although none is clearly mentioned. Another element that could support this is the fact that all characters have none-japanese names as the cultural settings resembles to Europe.

• Actually, this is mentioned in the miscilanious section. TomStar81 17:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Her name is Riza, according to the official character page for her at Sony. I'm changing it back. Until anyone has further evidence it's Elizabeth, it's official her name is Riza.Kyuu 00:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

"Violet"

Does anyone know who this person is? I can't seem to find him/her on any of the character pages. Cobalt 08:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Supposedly him/her is a general, which makes him/her a State Military character, so the entry for that person would be in this section. Whoever the general is I am fairly sure that the character is manga exclusive because there were no General Violets introduced in the anime. I suppose it is also possible that the character is from one of the FMA Video Games, which would explain the lack of info. I will check later and see if I uncover anything but right now I gotta get some sleep; its 3:00AM here and I go church in the morning. TomStar81 09:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Found him/her yet? Cobalt 20:03, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No, but thats not horrendously uncommon. Characters in anime/manga works are usually hard to find online, and I have been working on school related stuff, which of nescicity must come before fun stuff. Be patient. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, guess I'll wait a little longer. Cobalt 20:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Preliminary research into the character known as "violet" has turned up no leads; I have ruled out any anime characters since I have seen the entire show and know for a fact that Grumman, as I wrote, was the highest ranked general in the series. Manga chapters have yielded only one other named character with a corrosponding rank of the Amestris two-star Lieutenant General; however the character is named General Raven. This man apperently met Mustang at Central HQ and subsequently set him up as a gossip monger with regards to the Furher and his status as a Homuncilus (See Here). Given this information I can come to too conclusions: Either Violet is a movie or game exclusive character in the State Military, or whoever added the character here has wires crossed with another show. TomStar81 (Talk) 05:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Citatation for Christianity comment and name changes

Half this page isn't cited, but I'm okay with that, since most of it is from the manga/anime and you can just dig it up. HOWEVER, I'm going to clamp down on this comment because I have NEVER, EVER heard this from anywhere else. Please cite the source over Arakawa's commentry over Christianity.

Also, I'm changing Hughes and Riza's names back to what they should be. Unless if you find another credible source, more credible than Sony's FMA page, then that is what their names are.Kyuu 00:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Do be careful when changing header names, as these are directly linked to from the rank section. If you change a name in the header make sure that you change the name in the rank section as well, otherwise we end up with a broken link, and nobody likes a link that does not link :) TomStar81 03:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

hey,take it easy! o_O in the last pages of vol.12, where Arakawa answered some faq (in comic strips form =p) she made the comment that Christmas does not exist the FMA world, because Christianity does not exist (Valentine also does not exist >_<). Sorry I didn't cite it. I don't know how to XD I'd go read the guide and cite it later when I find the time (of course, if someone wants to do it, go right ahead) itakoaya 00:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I also found this today: "Grumman is named after the Grumman Aircraft Engineering Corporation". I don't think there's any prove of that, maybe the citation mark is need there too?

Actually all of those names to to be cited to a source, or sources as the case may be. As for the Arakawa faqs, his comments should be added as soon as possible. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as harsh. But the citation is necessary for that. Preferably, like I said, the whole page should be cited. If I had the time, I'd go through and look for them, like the Grumman ones, but I think those are found at Fullmetalalchemist.com if anyone wants to look. Kyuu 22:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Opinions for Removal of Mustang and Chess Theory

Frankly, I don't see whether it matters Havoc's the knight or Hawkeye's the queen, etc. Mustang said that his pawn, knight, queen, rook, and bishop have been taken away, which is ALL of the chess pieces. That could just mean that all of his subordinates, in general, are no longer there to help him opposed to assigning them all roles. Or, he could be assigning them roles; I don't know.

HOWEVER, this isn't the place to place fan speculation, and most DEFINITELY not the place to further shipping agenda. There are places for that, but this isn't one of them; wikipedia is for facts. I move for deletion of this section. Please voice your opinions on the matter.Kyuu 22:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

yeh..I stated this also! (see the top of the page.. obviously no one read it +_+) but no one has replied me =___= I totally agree with you. Not matter how we love that reference of Riza as his queen...... this is not the place for it =___+ itakoaya 16:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry~ You didn't date it above, so I wasn't sure when it was. Also, it's easier to read newest updates/thoughts to the article at the bottom. I think Wikipedia needs to standardize that too because I get confused a lot. @__@

I decided I'm going to delete the part for now and edit it to a less biased, "However, it is unclear whether Arakawa intended for each chess piece to correspond with one of Roy's removed subordinates, or if she had refered to all the pieces in chess, being Roy's subordinates in general, being taken away collectively." Please do not change this back! If you have a problem with this change, voice your opinion here. (PS - I'm not a Roy/Riza shipper, so I'm not too big on the queen statement either. *shrugs* I was also upset about the knight thing because the knight is probably my favorite piece in chess; personally, I find it more useful than the queen, thus I don't feel it's unlucky.)Kyuu 03:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think the whole paragraph is uneccesary... I mean, this page should be providing information about the characters right? so all this stuff that is talking about the storyline basically don't belong here (unless, of course, it contributes into explaning the history of the character or display his/her characteristic). ANyhow.. it's reading a bit funny at the moment, because it first say it 'obviously referring to the fact that his trusted subordinates have been stationed elsewhere.'... then it say 'it is unclear whether Arakawa intended for each chess piece to correspond with one of Roy's removed subordinates.....' (PS I don't really play chess, but the queen IS suppose to be the useful, no? XD I guess someone stated the knight is unlucky because it's suppose to be Havou... and he sure was unlucky =_=)itakoaya 08:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Move

I splitt the article up since it was 84 kilobytes large. This page is now dedicated soley to the anime. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

...Are you sure!? Personally I perfer there just be one page. I mean.. they are the same characters =___= Can't we just cut down on the contents..? (there is a lot of unneccesary info in it anyway) Or else, those images on the 'manga' page will need to be all changed, considering they are all from the anime. Also, much of the miscellaneous section will need to be moved across to the manga page too. itakoaya (Talk) 11:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Article size articles that go higher than about 50 kilobutes should be split up unless a really good reason can be offered for keeping them togather. Also keep in mind that the Manga is also ongoing, so the size would likely have gotten even larger. Personally I like the fact that the info for anime and manga has been split, It allows for a better, more comprehensive look at both sides of the street, IMO. 129.108.96.189 21:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with 129's comment. For old timers like me who still use a dail up modem, this new setup sure is a lot easier on the phone line. 129.108.25.167 19:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

...alright, so the page was too big and something needs to be done. But the reason I don't like the anime/manga separation is that there are several problems:

• information overlaps.
• Inconsistency with the rest of the FMA characters page. Currently, Ed has his own page, while the rest of the cast has a 'manga' and 'anime' section on the same page.
• the link from the main page should connect to the manga page then, considering the manga is the original and the anime is derived from it.
• Since this is the manga page, we'll need another separate set of images for each character.

Here's my suggestion: separate pages for each character. Ed has his own page, so why shouldn't any of the military characters? >_O This is popularly done for other anime/game wiki entries, to have a "Main article: List of Fullmetal Alchemist Character Page" (take a look at those Final Fantasy articles >_O) This would allow you to briefly describe each character, and then go in-depth on the characters that needs more information on separate articles. Of course, this will mean changes in the main FMA article itself, aka much work, but in that way we can have a easy-to-navigate and consistency for all FMA characters =) itakoaya 14:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this is part of a much broader idea of mine to eliminate the "main characters" page altogather, and take some of the more main characters from all of the section and place them into their own articles. From this page that would mean roy mustang, maes hughes, and riza hawkeye, for starters. The reason for the slow changes is my collage work, which of necessity must come before fun work. It may turn out that the space saved by the moving of major characters to their own pages permits a remarrage of the manga and anime pages. Right now though I have to agree with you, this particular set up is not in the best interest of an encyclopedia, but with time maybe we can make this the best set of character related pages here, and the set to which all others are judged by :) TomStar81 (Talk) 05:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hakuro's Rank

Didn't Hakuro temporarily get promoted to Lieutenant Fuhrer in Episode 40, after Bradley decides to go off to Lior?

Hey

dear full metal milatary, i am a normal person who wishes to learn alchemy. if u could send advice to me that would be great. thank you. Andy

You do know this is fictional, right? —Frungi 20:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Tucker's First Chimera

It should be important enough to note that he used his wife as material for that chimera. It's worth documenting as it shows that his behaviour with Nina and Alexander wasn't isolated, and that he would do whatever it took to help his career.

New rank - possibly Private 1st Class?

In the episode "Secret of Ishbal", I noticed a rank that isn't accounted for in this article: one stripe, no stars. I'm guessing it's Private 1st Class is the intent of that rank, as in many militaries it is the rank given to enlisted men who finish basic training. Ideas? I'll make an image for it later and probably call it "unidentified enlisted rank", or something like that.

Arcturis 06:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hughes's Rank

The 'Colonel' part should be removed from the entry all together. It was not actually a mistake. The rank lieutenant colonel is actually referred to verbally simply as 'colonel.' The same issue came up in the Stargate fandom due to an accident where Lt. Col. Carter was being referred to as lieutenant. Even if it was a mistake in translation it isn't actually a mistake.

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