Talk:Eddie Van Halen

Variac

With regards to the usage of the variac: Is there any evidence that Eddie used the variac on the input AC supply?

I had always asumed he used the variac to lower the voltage on the speaker output. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.144.180.23 (talk) 10:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Alex

But Alex is at Alex van Halen. RickK

So I'll move it. Problem solved. -- Jim Regan 02:20 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Big fan

edward van halen is the all time guitar GOD!!!!!!!

A.J.S

One take on "Beat it", etc.

When discussing Eddie's work on Beat It, it should be noted that his ripping guitar solo was done in one take. --Ross

Also, I believe EVH wasn't paid a cent up front or in royalities by his choice for his contribution to "Beat It".

Another item, I think EVH is a classically-trained virtuoso 'pianist' not guitar player.

Van Halen rarely if ever did solos in one take. His usual method was to record 3 or 4 different versions, then pick the best parts out of each. They were either edited together, or he would try to duplicate how he thought they should run together. The exception to that was most of the first album. Those were ready to go, sincethey had been playing and evolving those songs for 3 or 4 years in clubs.--Xj14y 16:42, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

i agree. i think it was Bruce Swedien (MJ engineer) who said that the "beat it" solo wasn't one take, but "very few" takes. SaltyPig 11:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

A good example of the "spice and dice" solo is "Good Enough" from 5150. My understaning is that that solo was created on the mixing board.

I'm pretty sure EVH did not do the riff for Thriller, nor anything in the movie Back to the Future. Aren't those both two long standing myths?

He did work on Beat It, at the behest of Quincy Jones, which was on the Thriller album. The song in Back To The Future that was titled "Donut City". He made a 4 or 5 minute song to use 3 seconds of it in the movie. Not myths. --Xj14y 18:14, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

As for the "Beat it" song, the rhythm guitar was played by Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) guitarist. Alot of Ed's solos from his first few albums were done in one take. As for Back to the Future, the clip Michael J Fox blared on his walkman in the movie, was from a pre-Van Halen track that was never used in any album and was not from the song "Donut City"

And yes Ed is most definitely the all time guitar god.

There is a story that Eddie was fighting with someone on the phone. When the phone rang in the middle of this fight, Eddie picked it up and said something to the effect of, "I told you not to keep calling me!" The story goes it was Quincy Jones calling to ask about doing the spot on the Thriller album. Eddie felt so bad about talking that way to QJ, when the latter asked him what he wanted for consideration (money, royalites), Eddie said he'd felt bad about the business on the phone, so "let's just call it even."

rhythm guitar

While his prowess as a stunning soloist is well established, what is not widely known is that Van Halen is also among the greatest rhythm guitarists in rock history.

whoever added that sentence is... well, you're a genius. EVH was one of the tightest rhythm dudes around (e.g., overdub on "feel your love tonight" solo, most of the "fair warning" album) — stunning work that's often ignored in favor of the flash. very glad to see it mentioned in the article. nice job. SaltyPig 11:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

There is a great quote that, unfortunately I have to paraphrase because I find it, from Van Halen that goes: "I'm truly a right-handed guitarist." He was making reference to his perference for rhythm. The quote is used as the opening quote for the rhythm chapter of a guitar-lesson book that I used to have. If anyone can find it, quote it exactly, I think it would be a nice addition to honour Ed's great rhythm technique. --Bentonia School 10:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• How can "greatness" be not widely known?! It's an awful fanboy quote, dripping in POV. Few consider EVH a rhythm guitarist at all, let alone.....well, you know. -- Delsource (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The above statement is untrue. All good guitar players (Above average) normally agree that Ed Van Halen is an incredibly underated rhythm guitar player. In my humble opinion, the greatest rock rhythm guitar player.

tuning

i just noticed that the second quote i put in could be construed as referring to a retuning of the E string to D (or similar). here's the context, which i trimmed because i didn't want it to seem like the article was on an eff word kick. if somebody can remove the possible confusion without dropping another eff bomb in the same section, please do: If you tune an open E chord in the first position and it's perfectly in tune, and then you hit a barre chord an octave higher, it's out of tune. The B string is always a motherfucker to keep in tune all the time! So I have to retune for certain songs. And when I use the Floyd onstage, I have to unclamp it and do it real quick. But with a standard-vibrato guitar, I can tune it while I'm playing. SaltyPig 14:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Moving factoids

I moved these tidbits from the band's article. Perhaps someone can use them in this article.

• His main influence was Eric Clapton (of Cream), and Alex's were Ginger Baker (also of Cream) and John Bonham (of Led Zeppelin).

EVH has mentioned many influences. I have listed some of the more prominent; I accept that Eric Clapton was the most important influence, but there were others that EVH has mentioned, including Allan Holdsworth, who influenced EVH's speed, legato style and tremelo arm techniques. In fact EVH said of Holdsworth, "He's the best in my book." It's appropriate therefore to put these guitarists in alongside Clapton.

Note from Glucoboost: I think it's important to keep EVH's quote about Holdsworth in. This quote comes from an 1980 interview in Guitar Player (http://www.vhlinks.com/pages/interviews/evh/gp0480.php). Notably, this interview occurred early in EVH's career, so it's clear that Allan Holdsworth is a major influence. Please read the interview for the context.

I think it's reasonably for fans of EVH to know who he thinks is the best.

Ridiculously Random Fact, originating from the comment: "One Take On Beat It etc."

Did you know that "Good Enough" was played on the movie Space Balls? It's heard near the end when they're all sitting at some restaurant. I recommend checking it out.

slop

if you don't yet know how to write somewhat smoothly, please don't hack away at articles. this is worse than a blank page -- slop piled on top of slop. did i say "slop" yet? cause that's what it is. and when it's not slop, it's trite. what purpose is served by treasuring/polishing these "contributions"? none, in the short or long term. fix your own dreck or never add it in the first place. Wbfl 04:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Sources

I've begun sourcing this page. You can help by leaving information on my talk page, or on this talk page. - Corbin ∫ 1 ɱ p s ɔ ♫ ^{Rock on, dude!} 20:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Tuning: "Perfect" thirds

There's no such interval as a perfect third (see Interval (music)). I'm not sure what this section is actually getting at - flattening the B string slightly doesn't create a "perfect" third, just a slightly flat major third. Is "perfect" being used here to indicate that the new interval doesn't sound dissonant through an amp? If so, we need to find a new word. Soobrickay 01:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

as you'll note if you visit the articles on perfect fourths and fifths, perfect intervals are "so called because of their extremely simple pitch relationships resulting in a high degree of consonance". you claim that EVH's flatted B string "doesn't create a 'perfect' third, just a slightly flat major third." that's incorrect. a major third in equal temperament is intentionally detuned from consonant to the wide side (top note sharp). EVH's major achievement was in recognizing that he could flat the B string back from this bastardized state, to bring consonant thirds as (or more) beatless as perfect fifths. rather than the "slightly flat major third" of your claim, it was a slightly unsharped major third, rendering that third perfect. he then learned to bend the B string up when playing, for example, an open D chord.

the reason you are under the false impression that "there's no such interval as a perfect third" is because there is no such thing as a perfect third in equal temperament tuning, and you've probably done nothing but play in equal temperament and learn equal temperament theory. however, what EVH did was deviate from equal temperament tuning, bringing a real perfect third into the mix.

Is "perfect" being used here to indicate that the new interval doesn't sound dissonant through an amp?

absolutely.

we need to find a new word.

no, you need to learn what you're talking about. at least you could google "perfect third" before making your false pronouncements. 65.145.193.132 09:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Citation About "Alan Holdsworth is number one."

I have the whole quote on page 21 in my Guitar Legends: Van Halen magazine:

"I'd just want people to like what I play. I don't want people to say, "You're number one." It's a matter of taste. To me, Allan Holdsworth is number one. Kids might listen to him and not even understand what he's doing. Older people might think I suck."

dude we need a better pic of him in his later years

I mean I have one, but I don't know how to put it in! :P

dude, there isn't a better pic of him. Face it, the hot Eddie of the 80's and 90's is at the bottom of his Jim Beam. So sad. Can't the guy afford teeth? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.15.38 (talk • contribs)

They dressed the best in the 70s with the long silks 14:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC) -Ben

Band or artist?

I think, there is too much stuff about the band in the article, rather than about Eddie himself. --Martinxxxx72 16:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed -- much of the band information is redundantly presented here. Ogre lawless 17:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking better in the morning, Floyd Rose goes sharp

As I major Eddie fan and imitator, I am so saddened to see that picture posted. It's the pits. It's one of those pictures that get's someone at their worst. I've looked that bad sometimes, but luckily nobody caught it on film. Whoever posted it needs to apply at 'The Enquirer', right after he gets his ass kicked. On a technical note... the stuff about the Floyd Rose tuning: If you don't have the tremelo all the way against the body (No Rising Technique)when a string breaks the tension of six strings in tune is distributed against FIVE stings. The spring tension is greater and therefore pulls UP on the bar, causing the guiter to go SHARP...not flat, in tuning, as mentioned in the article.

PS: I have replaced the disgusting photo, with a much better one from this year. If any one can help me with the copyright stuff, it was a publicity photo from germany. The company info is:

Warner Music Group Germany Holding GmbH New Media & Market Research Vertretungsberechtigter: Tim van Dyk Verantwortlicher im Sinne von § 6 des Mediendienstestaatsvertrages (MDStV): Benedikt Loekes Alter Wandrahm 13-14 20457 Hamburg

........................................My2Cents,t1n02112

Floyd will go sharp with lost string

With a Floyd Rose (or any floating fulcrum style vibrato), breaking a string will cause the remaining strings to go sharp, not flat. This is because the loss of tension string-side is countered by the even spring-side tension - the springs can pull the vibrato unit further, causing the remaining strings to go sharp.

Porn music

Hey, I just heard on the news that Eddie Van Halen is now writing songs for porn soundtracks, I was wondering if anyone had a verifiable source for this, and if so, maybe it should go into the article under "Later years". --Cyde↔Weys 14:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"Perfect" third

the fact is that there is no such thing as a "Perfect" third in western music which uses tertian harmony. there are major thirds, minor thirds, diminished thirds and augmented thirds. The term for what Eddie Van Halen is doing is flatening the Major third interval until it reaches just intonation. --Anthraxrulz 10:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Dimebag memorial

He made an appearance at Dimebag Darrell's memorial service(December 12, 2004?) and donated his guitar from the Van Halen II album. It was buried with Dime, as said from "VH1's Behind the Music: Pantera" and other various sources found with a google search.

• Okay... I did a search for a reliable source for the guitar in coffin statement. I couldn't find one, so I tagged that part of the article as being "cite needed". Tabercil 22:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm leaning strongly toward removing that statement - it is disputed and there are no sources. --Spike Wilbury 00:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Text removed from article

Eddie has recently said publicly that David Lee Roth is the best front man ever, despite that they had conflicts together.

Eddie is widely respected as one of the modern days greatest guitarists for his ability to create a large sound and fill out the space on songs.

Legendary Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour has commented that Eddie is a guitar player that he respects widely. This is a big compliment as Gilmour has always declared a lack of interest in most modern music and always preferred the music that he grew up listening to.

These paragraphs were in the "sources" section. They need to be worked into the article proper if they're to be there at all. - furrykef (Talk at me) 03:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Wolfgang

When you click the link for Wolfgang, it redirects to this article...but I don't know much about wiki, so somebody who does, I just though I would bring this to attention.--Sneewop 02:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration request

I think this article needs a lot of work, and could become a great article with all the material that is available on EVH. I would like to start by removing unsourced material (there is a lot of it), and trying to move material that is more about the band to the Van Halen article. Anyone interested in helping out? --Aguerriero (talk) 15:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to chip in. The Innovation section reads like so much "OR" but some of it must have a reference somewhere...I'll browse for some. The opening line of that section is a little weasely too. And the word virtuoso shouldn't be on any guitarist page no matter who they are. I'll get slapped trying to rm it but if anyone agree's please turf it. Anger22 18:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Pickups & Beat it.

There is no mention of when Edward was looking for "the brown sound" and experimenting on guitars how he would re-wind pickups or swap magnets or manipulate pickups from different companys. Also his Humbucker phase is very interesting.
As for "Beat it" I think it is pretty much common knowledge that he did 3 takes and used the first one, no cut & splice. Also a lot of his playing style is from playing in a 3 piece band so he would "noodle" around abit for filler. It was Ted Templeman who talked him into using overdubs, which he hated doing.
Also no info on his input in the Music Man EVH guitars, ie.how all the necks were shaven down and shaped after his worn down kramer necks to fit him better than a new neck.

"I don't really go for DiMarzio pickups, because they're real distorted. I like a clean sound with sustain -- I hate the fuzz box, real raspy sound. So I put a PAF magnet in a DiMarzio pickup and rewound it by hand, which took a long lime. I actually ruined about three pickups, and by the fourth time it worked. I didn't count the windings -- I just did it by sight." EVH Dec 1979 Guitar Player darrennie 06:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

2004 Summer Tour Guitar Smashing Incident

This article tries to claim that Edward Van Halen definitely destroyed his guitar (and does not mention there was a second one destroyed or when) because of growing tention between himself and lead singer Sammy Hagar. On November 22, 2004, VHND.com wrote:

Not only did the IloveAllAccess representative inform the Five Star fans before the show that many pranks were planned by the band and the crew, such as the Great Silly String Assault, but she specifically forewarned "I'm not going to tell you, But I will Say Whatever You Do, DO NOT be in the Bathroom During RIGHT NOW." Our source does tell us that Ed was in fact very mad at someone backstage that night, but it wasn't Valerie, his girlfriend, his son, or anyone else in the VH camp so we do not think it appropriate to name them.

I was also at the August 10, 2004 show at the HP Pavillion in San Jose, and, Van Halen neither appeared intoxicated, nor played poorly, as stated in both this article as well as in Van Halen.

Origin of tapping

I've added some text to the technique section, including a quote from EVH talking about the role of the Heartbreaker solo in developing the techique. If we need a citation for this, I will find one from a book somewhere, so please don't randomly delete it. Also, I think it's very important to point out that EVH did not invent tapping as a technique - it's a commonly held misconception, but false. Of course he may well have come up with the technique independently (can't really see him listening to Steve Hackett to be honest).Mikejstevenson 15:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The great Les Paul was pick-hand tapping and fret-hand pulling-off in the 50s. Can't for the life of me find a decent reference though..... -- Delsource (talk) 00:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Playing truant

The line about playing truant from school seems a bit contentious without a direct citation - so have removed itMikejstevenson 15:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge to Van Halen page

there are some interesting (though uncited) facts on the formation of Van Halen here, which I think would be better off in the main band page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikejstevenson (talk • contribs) 07:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

Ongoing work

We're getting there. But still more work required. Will continue plugging on.Mikejstevenson 11:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Create a new article

Since the section on eddie van halen's equipment is getting quite long, it might be a good idea to summarize what we have right now, and move what is currently there to a new article, such as Eddie Van Halen's rig or something like that. Any thoughts? Justinmeister 18:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

You can try. A more "encyclopedic" article title though. It stands a chance of just being tagged for merger back to this article unless it can be completely "Wiki-clean"...wikified sections, inline citations(preferably book refs) and fair use images. If you decide to break it out let me know and I will watchlist it for vandalism. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 01:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

In principle yes, but would recommend we keep it here until the article gets to the point where it's 'solid' ;) Mikejstevenson 13:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

EVH is an American citizen right?

Why is he a "Dutch guitarist" if he moved here and trained and started his career here when he was a toddler. Has Eddie even been to Holland except to tour? If he was an American citizen in the 70's-80's then it is insulting to list him as Dutch, since Van Halen itself is an American band. 11:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC) -Ben

It should be changed to American. That's like saying Joe Satriani is an Italian guitarist. True, he is of Dutch ethnicity, but he is an American citizen and played in an American band. Justinmeister 16:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Because, dumbass, he was born in the Netherlands. Even though he is a citizen, he is still Dutch.

• • • • "Has Eddie ever been to Holland"?.... well, he was born there - I think that might count! Chilkoot 17:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Better intro needed

I don't think the introduction to this article provides enough initial information about Eddie Van Halen or sums up his influence and contribution to music and guitar in particular. If one were to compare the introduction to the Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page articles, you will see they are fleshed out much more by the inclusion information about their accomplishments. I propose authoring an additions to the introduction that adds some of this information about Eddie Van Halen's career.

I would agree with this idea. Robertknyc 07:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I have written the following proposed revision to the introduction. I have not provided sources, as most of the information in this intro can be found elsewhere in the article.

Edward (Eddie) Lodewijk Van Halen, born Eduard Lodewijk van Halen on January 26, 1955[1] in Nijmegen, Netherlands, is a guitarist, songwriter and producer most famous for being a co-founder of the hard rock band, Van Halen.

As a guitarist, Edward Van Halen has been a ground breaking and highly influential musician, popularizing a number of techniques, such as two-handed tapping, extreme and expressive use of tremelo bars, pinch and artificial harmonics, as well as gear, such as Super Strats and Floyd Rose tremolos. Van Halen’s tone, techniques and equipment has made a lasting impact on a number of genres, particularly hard rock, heavy metal and shred guitar.

--Gypsyjazzbo 11:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Birthday

I changed the date of birth into 1957, if I missed a date (or if someone knows how to change the category "birth") I would be pleased if someone would submit it. 14:17, 27. Jan. 2007

According to imdb.com, allmusic.com, the Starpulse listing linked in the article, NNDB [1], and the less-reputable "The Van Halen Newsdesk" fansite (which said in 2001 that he celebrated his 46th birthday), Edward Van Halen was born on January 26, 1955. I cannot find a source saying he was born on Jan 26 1957, other than this here Wiki article which keeps being changed to say that. If someone can find two or more checkable sources with a decent reputation that say for sure and without a doubt that Eddie was born in 1957, then let's change it, but otherwise, please leave it alone. Thanks. Salamurai 15:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't see the tour lasting

First off I worship Ed. I'd pay to see him and Wolfy play (alex too) but Dave. When he took over for Stern on the East coast I couldn't listen to Van Halen song's. He's gone. Hey, 1982 he was probally the best front man out there, now he need to quit. Just remember Rod and Beck, the egos will kill this tour. Long live Edward he is a god. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.230.246.236 (talk) 22:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Too much detail on Floyd Rose tremolos

The Floyd Rose was a big part of EVH's style, but it dosn't need to be explained in so much detail on the EVH page.

Most of the Floyd Rose tremolo info in this article duplicates info at the Wikipedia entry for "Floyd Rose". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.236.158.195 (talk) 07:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Solo album

He said on the Howard Stern show that he's releasing a solo album, has there been any word on it since then. 75pickup (talk · contribs) 02:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Emmy Awards Photo

I don't think that photo is from 1993. 1993 was just after the F.U.C.K. tour and the same year that Live: Right Here, Right Now was released. Ed was much heavier in those days, his face was much fuller. This photo is definitely from the 80s. Since it is supposedly from the Emmy Awards, it's most likely 1983 when One Day at a Time was still on air. It should be checked for clarity. I can't source it but it is certainly not from the 90s. --Bentonia School 20:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

That photo is part of this series of photo's. See also this image which clearly shows it's the 1993 Emmy's. Garion96 (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, cool. --Bentonia School 09:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

B-Class Guitarist article'?

What the hell is this 'B-Class Guitarist article' thing on the categories list? Has anyone had a look at that list? It lists Jimi Hendrix, for Christ's sake! Ed is no B-Class guitarist, himself, but what faith can anyone have in Wikipedia if it lists Hendrix as 'B-class'? Ridiculous. --Bentonia School 20:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The article is B-Class, not Van Halen himself. —Chowbok ☠ 20:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, then. It can be read to be misunderstood though. Anyway to convince anyone to change the method? How about "B-Class Article: Guitarist"? --Bentonia School 10:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox photo

The infobox photo should be the most up-to-date image of the subject as per the guidelines set out by the living persons bio project. A very good live shot has been uploaded but unfortunately it is an older shot and better suited for the article section where it best falls...in this case the Hagar section. It would be great if the uploader of the live shot would provide a more current image for free use. If one were provided it could then supplant the Emmy Awards image in the infobox. Until then proper Project guidelines should be followed and the most recent image must stay in the infobox. 156.34.216.36 22:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a shit photo that pales in comparison........

That would be POV. Opinions have no place in an encyclopedia. Policies ahould/must be followed and maintained. 156.34.216.36 22:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

State your user-name A-Hole........

Don't require one. IP range 156.34 is a University library with over 10000 valid Wikipedia edits and vandal rv's. Why ruin a perfect track record with a made up name? 156.34.216.36 23:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

F/Y .........

EVH Feature Photo

Any strong opinions on the appropriate infobox feature photo for this page ? Please state your opinions, but it seems rather obvious that a classic rock photo is more appropriate for the top of the page, and more representative of EVH than a fuzzy candid from the Emmys.Dannyg3332 22:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

See the previous section for discussion already initiated on the topic. Do you have a more recent shot to upload and use? the infobox pic is supposed to be the most recent "free-use" image available....regardless of quality. 156.34.216.36 22:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You keep saying that, but I've never heard of such a policy. It doesn't make a lot of sense, to be honest. What if it were a picture of Charlie Chaplin? Assuming both photos were free, wouldn't one from 1920 be more appropriate than one from 1977? I have no opinion on which image should go in the userbox in this case, but saying it should be the "most recent" as though it's some sort of policy is silly. —Chowbok ☠ 23:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

If you're that ignorant I'll just remove it in it's entirety.Dannyg3332 22:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You've onviously never read WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL. I like the live shot. But it's outdated. As for removing it. It's on Wiki-commons now so it's free use for anyone to use, anywhere at any time. A recent live image would look great in the infobox. Do you have one? It would be a valid replacement for the poor "head shot". 156.34.216.36 22:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Danny, you can't just remove the image if you're unhappy with its placement. You released it under the CC license, so you no longer have any more (or less) say than any Wikipedia editor on its usage. —Chowbok ☠ 23:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

First of all, there's no reason for anybody to be aggressive about this. It's just going to entrench people in their positions and make outside observers want to avoid the discussion instead of taking part and help resolve it. Secondly, as Chowbok points out above, there is no "Most recent photo must be used" policy that I am aware of, although I have heard this repeated before. If someone could point me to a page that is giving this impression, I would be happy to edit it. Finally, as to the matter at hand, that being which of the two pictures is used in the infobox, this seems to me to be largely a matter of personal preference and aesthetic judgement. I have some sympathy for the idea that the "classic rock star" image is more representative of the subject of the article, and, if I was a regular editor of this article, may well have chosen that one. I could also see an argument for the one that has more detail of the subject's face, but personally happen to find that less compelling. Frankly, this almost seems to me to be an argument against infoboxes, since there seems to be an implication here that one particular photo must be chosen and receive prize of place indefinitely. Wikipedia articles are constantly being edited; if we cannot guarantee that there won't be a picture of a cow in the infobox at some point in the future, we certainly can't guarantee that any one particular image is going to stay there. In any case, I would like to invite the regular editors of this article to weigh in on the photograph issue, as those people most familiar with the subject. Jkelly 23:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I restored previous state after reading and seeing no conclusion or concensus. 216.21.150.44 01:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed on cancer section

Just for whether or not eddie really used a metal pick, because theres no record AT ALL of him ever using one, and plastic picks don't give you mouth cancer. I think, since he was a big smoker and drinker, thats probably what gave him mouth cancer. Also, people who have tounge piercings or lip piercings may be around recording booths with radiation. People may also have things like braces and big plates of metal in their mouth and when I got my braces and rpe, no one told me to stay away from radiation. Theres more metal in my mouth than in 2 or 3 metal picks. So, that's why I say, that is bogus. So if you can find me at least a citation that he ACTUALLY uses a metal pick, then i won't complain. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ramones421 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Just to be clear, citation is only needed to demonstrate that Eddie said this. I'm not able to look it up right now, but I read the interview in which he said the thing about the pick, and about curing his cancer using controversial and/or previously unknown techniques. Everything he said may have been utter nonsense, but proving that he cured cancer or used a metal pick is not the same as proving that he said he did. ShaneCarey 19:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

B-string flattening - is this really an innovation?

Van Halen developed a technique of flattening his B string slightly so that the interval between the open G and B reaches a justly intonated, beatless third. This consonant third was almost unheard of in distorted-guitar rock and allowed Van Halen to use major chords in a way that mixed classic hard rock power with "happy" pop.

The article speaks of this as if it were a major innovation, but, really, I had independently invented the same technique just by using my ears when tuning before I had heard of Van Halen doing it. Is this really that big of a deal? - furrykef (Talk at me) 10:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not actually up to us to determine if it's a big deal. If we have a source saying it's an innovation, then we should write about it. If there is no source backing it up, we should remove that language and just note that he did it. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 14:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Commercial Success With Van Hagar

"The change in sound prompted many fans, both positively and negatively, to refer to the band as "Van Hagar." This was a very successful time for Van Halen - eclipsing the success of the Roth years commercially.[citation needed]"

By what measure of "commercially" did someone determine this? According to the Van Halen discography article, the top 5 Roth era albums easily outsold (double!) the only 5 Hagar era albums. Hagar had more successful singles. But in terms of commercial success of singles, it would probably be extremely close between Hagar and Roth because both singers' popular Van Halen songs are played very often. In Houston for example, only an 80's station only occasionally plays a Hagar hit single, while both classic rock and modern rock stations play Roth's most popular VH songs roughly on a daily basis, perhaps even twice a day between them. One would have to know their respective royalty rates to figure this out, but it is likely a small difference. Given this assumption, Roth's big lead on Hagar with album sales would definitely indicate Roth era as the greater commercial success. I think the sentence should be split in two with one regarding most hit singles, compared to the other that Roth era sold more albums. If no one disagrees, I will make this change.

Regularjohn44 17:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Movie Work

Is possible and worthwhile to expand info on his movie work?

Although "Donut City" is the only track to appear on the "Wild Life" soundtrack, Eddie's playing scores several parts of the film, including a notable early appearance of the main riff from "A.F.U."

I'd like to know more about his alleged playing on "Back to the Future," as I had never, before Wikipedia, heard that this was actually credited to him. The playing on the "Edward Van Halen" cassette that Marty uses as an alien brain scrambler is full of Eddie's techniques, but it doesn't sound like it's actually *him*. Citation needed, but also I'm just curious if they asked Eddie for whatever scratch recordings he had lying around. --ShaneCarey 18:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)