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Robert A. Hawkins

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He's an otherwise non-notable person who's sole notability is summed up in the article for the shooting spree. Dismas|(talk) 06:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per Daniel. Mr.Z-man 07:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Westroads Mall shooting. Cite Cumulus Clouds's point on Murder of Meredith Kercher, but merging is the best possible outcome for keeping information on the event. MattieTK 07:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Daniel and others - No notability outside the single incident, reliable sources will dry up shortly. Klebold/Harris were an isolated exception which do justify articles. Also concerns re recentism. Orderinchaos 07:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore redirect to Westroads Mall shooting. It should be noted, that Administrator John Reaves created the redirect which was then removed, and as mentioned, this person was not notable aside from this unfortunate event. Precedence shows that in the case of otherwise non-notable persons, the individual articles are usually redirected to the main article about the event, and do not warrant an article of their own. Ariel♥Gold 07:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the outcome of this debate is anything other than keep or no consensus, I strongly suggest the resulting redirect (and redirects for variants on this name) be fully-protected. Daniel 07:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per Professor water's comments above. Kip Kinkel, Andrew Golden, Mitchell Johnson, Ronald DeFeo and other spree killers have their own pages; none has done anything noteworthy other than committing multiple homicides. Raider Duck (talk) 07:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge ... for now This is still a developing story. For now, I would argue that there is not enough information to sustain a single article, but that could change, and may even change before this debate is closed. On the other hand, there may never be enough significant information to develop an article. Professor water mentions Dylan and Klebold as having their own articles, though I wonder if the information for such an article existed within the first 48 hours after their notoriety was established. This will need to be monitored. LonelyBeacon (talk) 07:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect, redundant. Tuxide (talk) 08:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. In his own words, "Now I'm famous." And so he is, as a top national news story. If anything, merge the "massacre" story into his bio. Mass killers are almost notorious by definition. NTK (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Westroads Mall shooting, per above. This article is an almost verbatim copy of the Perpetrator section of the shooting article. It gives no additional information about the person at hand, whose only notable action was the aforementioned attack. As both articles are quite short, I say merge unless someone can actually come up with content that would not be appropriate in the shooting article. ♠ SG →Talk 08:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This incident was called breaking news in the UK last night, surely that makes the event and its perpetrator notable, for now, I am sitting on the fence. Hencetalk (talk) 08:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per ArielGold. Merge as needed. Save for 2 sentences, this article is redundant with the shooting article. • Gene93k (talk) 08:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. All relevant information is contained within the source article, rendering a separate bio entry unnecessary, and given the circumstances, a little gratuitous. I am of the opinion that it is the event that is noteworthy, not the perpetrator. All personal information should be included under a sub-heading in the main article, and searches for his name redirected to that article. - Nick, 20:04 5 Dec 2007 (I'm in Australia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.105.102.221 (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold made Doom Maps that were played by a good amount of people, and they planned out the massacre before and to the minute detail (making bombs, acquiring arms, etc). Whereas this dude just killed people, there are nothing currently notable about him, and with the feeding frenzy dying down, there probably won't be any new evidence unearthed for a while (suicide note claimed he just wanted some "lulz". Clearly no serious planning was involved.). Per above, it's essentially copied from the section of the article for the event. Per WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL, the article should be deleted until further evidence shows up to differentiate his article from the one documenting th shooting.
  • Keep Seung-Hui Cho is only notable for being the perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre, and his "sole notability is summed up in the article for" that incident. Yet we have an article about him, don't we? -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 09:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge back into the main article per WP:BIO1E. As he is being discussed purely in relation to Westroads Mall shooting that's where details about him should be placed until such time as either the information about him grows too large for the main article and needs to be split out, or until sources write directly about him rather than about him in relation to this event. As it currently stands the Robert A. Hawkins article contains the same amount of material as the Westroads Mall shooting article so there is no need for a split. Added to which, having a split at this early stage creates a content fork with the inherent problems of simultaneous maintenance of two articles. Keep the content in one place, split it out when it grows, with an adequate summary left in the main article - all future development then takes place on the standalone article with only the occasional need to update the summary. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 09:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to main article. No notability outside the shooting. --GSchjetne (talk) 10:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect per people here.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 10:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into shooting article for now. While the event itself is of historical significance, it isn't known at this time whether the shooter will become a notable figure as the Virginia Tech and Columbine shooters. Their lives have been examined in depth and their names have become historically notable. For now, this falls under the WP:N#TEMP criteria, until and unless there is further examination of his whole life background.--Mike Straw (talk) 10:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - historically significant person, "perpetrator" accompanied by "event" articles are common at Wikipedia, for example: Kimveer Gill and Dawson College shooting amongst many others. Chessy999 (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per reasons above Q T C 11:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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