Talk:Goderich, Ontario

this is the first town to pop up when you type in "small town ontario" or "small town canada" into google.

It is completely incorrect that the plans for The Square were intended for Guelph, information adjusted. Jwagar 20:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I am from this small town, nicknames G-dot, Godrock, etc. by the youth. I have read that Guelph's current road problems stem from the fact that the city planners of Guelph used the plan for Goderich to design Guelph, can anyone back this up.

Godrock born and raised--Jadger 20:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

wow ya the Big...i mean small-G...wow

Steven Truscott as a Goderich "notable person"

Even though obviously there is a lot of difficult feelings centred around Steven Truscott's conviction, especially in the Goderich and Clinton area, I removed him from the Goderich notable persons section for a couple of reasons. First of all, Truscott is not a Goderich 'native' in any sense,which is what is implied by inclusion in the category, he wasn't born there and apart from several months spent there during his trial and while he was imprisoned in the community, he has no connection to Goderich. Perhaps more importantly, I removed his name from the list because he has expressed on several occasions how much he personally and deeply dislikes Goderich Ontario, which all things considered, is fairly understandable, he's probably the last person in the world who would want to be seen as being "from" Goderich. Truscott was born in Vancouver,has resided in Guelph Ontario for decades and of course Vanastra Ontario was where he lived when the infamous events took place, in my opinion, any one of those three communities has a viable claim to list him as a "notable person" in their articles. Steven Truscott is already mentioned in the Goderich article, and should a "crime" or social history section for the community ever be written, he would certainly legitimately belong in it. Deconstructhis 19:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Beach Quality and Cori MacKinnon

Actually Jadger, I happen to agree with you in terms of where Goderich should be placed on a list of "quality" beaches on the east side of Lake Huron. Anyone who knows the region well understands that there are much better one's available not far away if someone wants to spend an afternoon by the water. On the other hand, that being said, I think that folks should have the opportunity to provide a reference from a mainstream source demonstrating that Goderich beach is highly regarded by Lake Huron beach goers in general. I think the same opportunity should be provided in terms of Cori MacKinnon's appearance in the "notable persons" section as well. If someone can provide a reference to a biography indicating that she is from Goderich, then in my opinion she should stay. With all due respect, the fact that you claim to "know her personally" has as little relevence on Wikipedia as our mutually shared opinion that Goderich is not "known for the quality of its beaches". It's even possible that MacKinnon herself claims Goderich as her "hometown" on a bio somewhere. Deconstructhis 22:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I understand I cant reference knowing her personally, and I can't use facebook as a source, but she is not from here, her CNTM profile says so, she is from Sudbury area. and her name is Corinne, Cori is just her stage name for the show. She lived in Goderich for her highschool years, but moved back to Val Caron, Ontario (near Sudbury). As one can see here [1] from her CNTM profile. As for the beaches, I know they barely qualified like 2 or 3 years ago for "blue flag" or whatever, a rating system for beaches.

--Jadger 02:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"Nicknames" Section

I'm sorry, I'm having a *big* problem buying any of these as 'legitimate' nicknames for the community of Goderich Ontario, I think, for the most part, this entire section is bogus. One of them appears to have been coined as a result of a single joking comment in a conversation between a local DJ and the local member of parliament, that's not a nickname that's a radio sound bite, The Big Apple for New York City, that's a nickname. For the purposes of an online encyclopedia like Wikipedia, which can be read all over the world, information about a given small community has to have a real basis in fact, readers in other parts of the globe have no way of crosschecking whether or not a particular piece of information is only slightly misleading, or simply just made up, which is what I suspect is the case with both "Windy Town" and "G-Dot". Community nicknames aren't just particular phrases that a tiny number of even the local population would even recognise, they don't exist and are applied simply because someone heard something once on the radio, or a single local person makes something up because they think it sounds "cool" or appropriate and use it amongst their friends for laughs. Unless a nickname actually does have widespread usage in a given community and at least some historical depth to that use, in my opinion, it may be amusing to some, but it's misleading to use it in Wikipedia for a general reader. Unless full citations are provided for this section in the future, I'm prepared to remove all of it. Comments are always welcome.

Deconstructhis 02:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that section should be removed. There's been discussion about nicknames for other towns, including an especially touchy one at Talk:Scarborough, Ontario. We should certainly require citations for nicknames if they are to be included here. Mindmatrix 14:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

They are all legitimate and used nicknames for Goderich. If you have facebook, there are a number of public groups, notably the group You know you're from Goderich when... has as #5 on the list: You know you're from Goderich when... You refer to Goderich as Gdot or Godrock and expect people to know what you're talking about. Or another group using another not-so-common nickname Guys & Girls that like to hit "The G-Spot"

--216.110.236.243 (talk) 03:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

As it was pointed out in this section when discussing this issue back in September, both of the nickmames you have submitted lack substantiation from reliable sources and so can not be included in the encyclopedia. Information found on social networking sites such as Facebook are specifically excluded by policy for use as a references on Wikipedia. Please be advised that it is not considered good practice to threaten an "edit war" with others on Wikipedia in order to achieve an editing objective you have in mind in an encyclopedia article, as you did in your previous edit summary. Only properly referenced material is acceptable for inclusion in Wikipedia and any editor can remove information at any time that does not conform to this policy. Thank you. Deconstructhis (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you could show me a "reliable source" for the town of Goderich, such as a scholarly history book. Point is, there are very few if any reputable sources on this location, as it is not very notable. Not to mention the fact that scholarly, reputable sources won't be concerned with nicknames in the first place. Or perhaps you could show me a reliable source that uses "the big apple" more than it does "New York City". Why is a scholarly source needed for something that will never be touched on? Should we require a reputable source to prove that you exist also user:Decontructthis?

So basically you're claiming I've made a giant internet conspiracy and invented many people who live in Goderich. And if so, all other uncited information must also be stripped from this page.. gotcha, i'll do that now, just because I want to steal all your fun and know what it feels like to delete other people's hard work.

--216.110.236.243 (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Demographics

Hey, I just added a bit about the demographics. I got it all from Stats Canada aswell. I was wondering though if anyone could find the sheet that says the ethnic backgrounds of the people who live in Goderich. I saw it on Sates Canada site before, but I can't find it anymore. If anyone could help expand the demographics, I would really appreciate it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.46.141.18 (talk) 02:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Try the 2001 data. That data isn't due out for 2006 until April 2008: [2] --Jdeboer (talk) 01:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)