Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Running

So what needs to be improved

Hi, I am gabi71, I made a mistake and somebody made me see it. I was trying to add a translation of the page into Spanish because I couldn't find one...and instead, I edited almost everything... I'M SO SORRY. If somebody can save my translation and make a link to Spanish, it would be great. I am a certified translator and a former athlete...Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabi71 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please change the "1896 olympic marathon" picture on the marathon page to either a picture that is either a true picture from the event, or to at least something less offensive that Vietnamese children running down the street following a napalm attack by US soldiers? (Sorry, i'm not signed in now: rtdonnes) 75.80.217.51 19:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This WikiProject is great and all but it has no info. What needs to be improved? It's pretty broad by simply stating running since there is so much more to running. Sharpdust 01:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that would seem to be one of the first priorities, figuring out what to do on the open trails ahead. Building articles for the several red links in the new Pre's Trail article would make a relatively easy loop for the short run. Or perhaps it would be better to simply start drawing up a list of missing running articles, as a point to point route that might really get somewhere. Ombudsman 21:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some suggestions I've thought of and also based on Ombudsman ideas.

Running in different parts of the world, i.e. Running in Kenya is significantly different than Running in the United States.
List of running clubs
Improve jogging article
Expand Bill Bowerman article, a major player in the technological advances of the running shoe and Arthur Lydiard, man who popularized jogging and the running boom.

Sharpdust 04:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

speed of running?

What is the usual speed of running? dash, short-distance, and long-distance, for average persons and for athletes? I am trying to come up with a list of speed in the page for speed so this information will be useful. --Leo 15:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, varying speed is a consequence of "running", but speed does not define "running". Non-aerobic jogging is what I call "running". To consider one's self as "running" is to surpass 80% of one's maximum heart rate (MHR). In other words, a gait which creates between 40% and 80% of MHR is, in my opinion, called aerobic jogging because both the heart and lungs best process oxygen (necessary for burning corporal energy) at these percentages. To calculate MHR, substract your age from the number 220. For example, if a person is 30 years old, then that person's MHR is 190. Thus, this 30 year-old is considered to jog when the gait forces the heart to beat at a rate of anything between 76 and 152 beats per minute, but if that person's heart attains more than 152 and under 191 bpms, then the heart and lungs can barely process the oxygen. The result is that muscles produce lactic acid. You would then witness a lot of violent exterior corporal movement, but, inside, no energy is being burnt. So, to answer your question, varying speeds would depend on muscle fitness. That is to say, speed depends on those muscles' ability to function, inspite of the presence of lactic acid. I guess bigger muscles can function with X amount of lactic acid present, than smaller muscles with the same amount. When the owners of those two muscles compete against each other, and they have both entered their respective non-aerobic zones, then it is obvious that the person with the bigger muscles is capable of attaing a higher speed. Please note that some sources consider aerobic jogging not to surpass 70% of MHR.

Categorization

Several of the categories under Category:Running were changed around without edit summaries and/or discussion. Because no reason was provided for the change, I've reverted everything back as it was. However, I'm open discussing the matter so we can decide how to best categorize the articles here, and then rearrange appropriately based on consensus. -- MisterHand 04:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At first I was confused, but after looking it over I see what is going on. SilkTork replaced the Category:Foot races category with several sub-categories, all under Category:Running. Makes sense to me now! So, do we want all foot races categorized together like it is now, or simply put their categories under Running as SilkTork had it? I'm torn about it myself...I think I'd like to keep the "Foot races" category around for races that may not fall under any of the sub-categories. -- MisterHand 05:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The foot-race category seems inappropriate. Many entrants are in wheelchairs. Unless the intention was to seperate wheelchair entrants from those running on foot and have two categories for each distance: "Wheelchair middle distance races" and "Foot middle distance races", etc. Such a categorisation is possible, but as such cats would be tagged onto the same articles, then it starts to look unnecessary. Also, it seems awkward to have a category Running, and also have a category Foot races, which seems to cover the same thing. It looked to me that it was more helpful to have the category Running broken down into distance: Middle distance, Long distance, Marathon, etc. SilkTork 07:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for putting it that way. I hadn't thought about the wheelchair aspect of things...most of these races aren't 100% "foot" races. I'm going to revert myself on this one. -- MisterHand 10:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stub tags

{{runningbio-stub}} and {{runningbio-stub}} are on WP:SFD again, reflecting perhaps a lack of clarity from previous occasions on what exactly to do with these, particular as regards their relationship to {{athletics-stub}}. It's probably not strictly a sub-type, but are there many stubs that relate to "running", but not to "athletics"? Alai 18:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two new categories

Two new categories Category:Running by distance and Category:Types of running. See what people think. SilkTork 17:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

suggestion

Hi all...I can't find an article for Browning Ross or the Road Runners Club of America. This would be a significant contribution. KarateLadyKarateLady 01:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RRCA article done Racepacket 04:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Road race infobox

I wanted to make an infobox for road races, so I made up a draft at User:Leebo/Infobox roadrace. Suggestions, critiques, opinions, and help are all welcome. Most importantly, I want some input on all of the parameters that should be included, right now I only have a few. Leebo ^T/C 13:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of winners of the Boston Marathon

I've nominated this article for featured list status. Feel free to drop by with suggestions and/or comments. Geraldk 00:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rock n Roll Marathon coming to San Antonio TX

News for San Antonio TX runners - a Rock N Roll marathon is coming to San Antonio in Nov 2008! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gogirlrun (talk • contribs) 20:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Athletes

The running project seems to be one of the few sports that does not generally get tagged to athetes of its sport. I have created the Adriana Pirtea article this weekend and was involved in the creation of the Patrick Ivuti article. I wanted to add this project's tag to their talk pages, but it does not seem that that is the common practice for this sport based on looking at article talk pages for Frank Shorter, Michael Johnson (athlete), and Berhane Adere. Do you know of a WikiProject that focuses on track athletes?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dane Rauschenberg

I have nominated the Dane Rauschenberg article for deletion. In general, we should develop criteria for what is a noteworthy runner. Self-promotional articles on 3 hr+ marathoners will detract from the credibility of this project and from Wikipedia in the eyes of runners. Also, we might want to develope criteria for what are suitable sources for establishing the noteworthiness of a runner.Racepacket 17:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is unfortunate that the AfD failed. However, project members should remain vigilent for WP:COI violations where runners attempt to post their (non-noteworthy) running achievements in a self-written biographical article.Xcstar 22:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated the fiddy2 article for deletion. This article is about Dane Rauschenberg's fundraising web site, and his running 52 marathons in calendar year 2006 (only one of which was faster than 3 hours. Please weigh in with your views. Xcstar (talk) 09:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article continues to be a problem. It has received so many edits that it has been listed on [1]. Are there any project members who seriously believe that this runner meets notability standards? Xcstar (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for Notability of Runners

The following is an explaination of age-graded results posted on active.com:

Age-Graded Results
"AGE-GRADED" results are calculated using tables developed by the World Association of Veteran Athletes (the world governing body for masters track and field, long distance running and race walking). These tables were first published in 1989 and are frequently updated. The tables can be used in two ways: first, by comparing your time to a standard for your sex and age, you can determine your Performance Level Percent. These percentages can be interpreted as follows:

100% = Approximate World-Record Level

Over 90% = World Class

Over 80% = National Class

Over 70% = Regional Class

Over 60% = Local Class

I would propose that only runners with age graded performances of 85% be deemed worthy of including as the subject of articles in Wikipedia. WP:BIO sta

Competitors and coaches who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports (who meet the general criteria of secondary sources published about them).

The problem is that in the running context, the "highest level" is hard to apply. It could mean more than the Olympics (perhaps the Olympic Trials or the NCAA National Championships).

I am worried that runners are starting articles about themselves or their friends that are not world-renowned, and because there is trivial local coverage in a local newspaper, AfD discussions become confused. The 85% test could end a lot of needless debate. Xcstar (talk) 23:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you worried based on any other articles besides Dane Rauschenberg? If you are, point them out so others can see what you're talking about. If it's just the Rauschenberg article that causes this concern, there's not much point in worrying about it. CruiserBob (talk) 05:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I could see the "age-grade" as one of many potential indicators of whether someone competes at the "highest level", but I would be reluctant to endorse it as a litmus test. If we relied primarily on the "age-grade", people who have never participated in a major race but who can run at 85% would theoretically be granted articles. Kaldari (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible concerns might include Dean Karnazes and Don Kern. I am worried that we don't have an objective standard, so that when the next Dane Rauschenberg comes along, we won't have an objective standard to apply in the AfD discussion. Xcstar (talk) 13:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can see your concern about Don Kern, although his two near-misses at the Guinness record for shortest time to complete marathons on all 7 continents would make a somewhat tenable argument for notability. With regard to Dean Karnazes though, looking at the biography that Runner's World has on their website http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-243-362--10915-0,00.html along with their other coverage of him, there's no way to deny notability, both as an author and as an ultramarathoner. The problem with your 85% criteria is that there will always be people who don't have world-class speed who are still notable - the best use I can see of such a criteria would be to say 'Anyone who meets this criteria can be defined as notable without any further evidence.' Even that isn't particularly useful - if you take a look at http://www.mastersrankings.com/rankings.php?dispcategory=Distance&sex=MEN&pseason=Outdoor&cyear=2007 (for example) you'll see dozens of people who meet that standard but aren't really 'notable' as runners. I'm certainly in favor of developing criteria, but the age-graded tables don't seem to fit the bill.