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Image:Voyageofthedamned.jpg‎ (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sceptre (notify | contribs).
  • Garbled fair use raionale "As a screenshot of a major point of the plot of the specific episode. The screenshot also shows Banakaffalatta and the Heavenly Hosts, two non-human lifeforms which cannot be adequately described.", use "as a screenshot" is an invalid FU criteria, neither of the two lifeforms appearence has significant relevance to the plot, and their appearence is unmentioned in the article, these non humans even if mentioned could not be clearly identified from this image Fasach Nua (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep Both Banakaffalatta and the Host are a crucial element of the plot. Also, "as a screenshot" is an invalid FU criteria is a very empty argument in itself. EdokterTalk 16:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - nomination flawed - the Host stalking the party is pretty much the entire premise of the episode. Will (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Also, "Bannakaffallatta" is mentioned three times and the Host ten times in the plot summary alone. I don't know if you actually read the article, to be honest. Will (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thankyou for those statistics, I was wondering if you could tell us how many times the appearence of the characters are referred in the article. The images claimed function is to show how these characters appear, while the hosts are essential to the plot, their appearence is largely irrelvant Fasach Nua (talk) 22:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • I thought you meant appearance as in "appears in the special", not "what it looks like". Even so, both appearances are mentioned in the article, and the "appearance of the characters" was intended to be additional, not the main reason. Will (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • This is an absolute joke, so taking your last comment together with the rationale you wrote, the primary reason of this image is to be a screenshot? The critical commentry this FU image is used to aid is that this programme was broadcast for use on screen, what you are doing is getting very close to vandalism Fasach Nua (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - image is fair use and characters are important to plot Million_Moments (talk) 18:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - appearance of the Host is relevant to certain complaints levied against this article by people who resent their appearance as angels. --Infophile (Talk) (Contribs) 20:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Image is relevant, and useful for the plot. StuartDD contributions 11:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted per CSD G11 spam --Rifleman 82 (talk) 13:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image kept. No consensus to delete. -Nv8200p talk 04:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily deleted per CSD I5 unused non-free image; furthermore, it is easily replaceable with a free alternative. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong Keep. There we go again. As explained in two previous discussions (see here and here), the images Image:Lo Piccolo arrest.jpg and Image:Lo Piccolo photofit.jpg are discussed in the text. In the case of Image:Lo Piccolo arrest.jpg the image was made available by the Italian State police and subsequently distributed by several news agencies (see [1]). Potential copyright holders do not financially depend on the copyright. As per WP:NFC: photos from a press agencies are not permitted unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article. In the section Arrest there is the following paragraph: "Officers remarked that Lo Piccolo’s face was entirely different from the identikit photo of him (see images on this page).[18] Lo Piccolo did not say word and just smiled when prosecutors noted that he did not ressemble the photofit released earlier this year.[19] The elder Lo Piccolo was in fact betrayed by his son of whome police did have a recent photograph.[20]" I think the discussion is closed by now and I will remove the tags. Otherwise we redo this debate every other week. - Mafia Expert (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Now now Mr Fasach; as I've already indicated my support for deletion up here why the need for an argument stretching a point past breaking? Sarah777 (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Sarah, it's a little disjointed, it was the derived banner, I was referring to Fasach Nua (talk) 07:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:OC_Horse&JockeyHurling2.038.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sarah777 (notify | contribs).
Does this count as a copy of a 2D image, or a picture of a 3D monument? If the latter, I think it is okay Fasach Nua (talk) 16:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But according to the commons page, UK law (on which Ireland is based and which it advises we should use as a baseline) signs do not qualify for FOP.[2] Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa! Irish and UK law have been diverging for the past 90 years! (Sarah777 (talk) 07:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC))[reply]
Two-dimensional objects do not, this is true. Commons however has been lenient towards monuments for example with engraved signs with some amount of 2D in them. The section you indicate shows that hand-painted tiles and stained glass are covered under FOP, for instance. This hurling monument should get no less consideration. -Nard 15:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I dont really have an opinion on this, but WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument Fasach Nua (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No opinion? Hmmmm. Maybe in future I'll take my pictures of monuments to Irish Heroes from slightly to the side. Weren't you the chap tried to put Union Jacks beside Irish Players from the Occupied Territories? (Sarah777 (talk) 07:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC))[reply]
I think you might want to look into those edits a bit more closely, I think you might have missed the wp:point of them. I dont really see what the connection is, however you are right, if you had of taken this picture from a further 1/2 metre back, this would be an unambiguious case of freedom of panorama, and a 100% keep. Fasach Nua (talk) 07:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image kept based on Commons:Freedom of panorama. -Nv8200p talk 04:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment That uniform is actually out of date now, so I don't think keeping it because of the uniform is justified. Million_Moments (talk) 14:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - As this picture actually has him in the Atlantis uniform, and is of a better quality, this should be used instead of the other one. Fosnez (talk) 13:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per CSD I1 - redundant/duplicate image. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 01:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Speedily-deleted unused, unencyclopedic. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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UPDATE:Logo is now used in an infobox only at Moncton_Golden_Flames. Flibirigit (talk) 01:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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UPDATE:Logo is now used in an infobox only at New Brunswick Hawks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]