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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by BboyDrewLooner (talk | contribs) at 11:13, 26 January 2008 (→NPOV). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

WHO IS REGULATING THIS SUBJECT???
Your structure is a good start,
but a bit cricked and with holes i must say.
This would be a straighter and more complete spine:

The Backbone of Bboy Culture:

THE TERM B-BOY / B-GIRL
THE DANCE
-Bboy Foundation
-The structure of a set
-Moves Catalogue
-Etc...
HISTORY (as an evolving Time-Line)
FASHION
EARLY MEDIA / DOCUMENTARIES
-Flash Dance
-Beat Street
-Breakin: /Electric Boogaloo
EARLY INFLUENCES
-James Brown
-capoeria
-Afrika Bambaataa
-Etc...
AMERICAN B-BOYING
EUROPEAN B-BOYING
B-GIRLS
CREWS
PIONEERS & PEOPLES WORTH MENTIONING
-Ivan
-Storm
-Ken Swift
-Etc
Bboy Looner Serpent (talk) 11:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

Just curious, the NPOV tag is on this page but I don't see any disputes discussed here. Can someone fill me in?

REEDIT: Looks like this refers to the changes by TheChameleon explained above. Please be patient as I'm still learning my way around Wikis and just surfed over here out of curiosity.  :-) Isn't there a way to request peer review without using the POV tag? I thought I saw that somewhere....

PhilipR 16:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, good idea... Guess I'm a bigger beginner than you PhilipR... Put it to peer review please, I can't right now. Thechamelon 20:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, see Wikipedia:Peer_review. I'm removing the NPOV tag and following the guidelines for Peer review. I don't what you want to clean up though, so I'll let you submit the request (click the "a request has been made" link up top). --Covracer http://home.earthlink.net/~covracer 11:46, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

I'm dubious about the neutrality of the couple sentences regarding 'The Freshest Kids: A History of the B-Boy.' Is it objective to say that this film presents the true perspective and accurate history? --SoylentBlue 04:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Freshest Kids is one of the best documentaries on the history of B-boying and simultaneously documents the origin of Hip Hop Culture itself. It interviews many originators who were there. Although it is a very important documentary and the first "in depth" look into the history of Breaking, it is, however, VERY Rocksteady-ish, meaning heavily influenced by Crazy Legs and other members. There is controversy over where the biases are, but the general truth is there. (it is on the individual to research further, so this is why research sites like wikipedia must be accurate and detailed, taking accounts from all perspectives.

There is a history before Rocksteady. check: http://www.bboyworld.com/forum/breaking-discussion/64274-new-screen-name-clearing-air-me-mzk.html Bboy Looner Serpent (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bold text== History ==

There are so many histories on the "beginning" of breakdance. Instead of many people writing their own understanding, maybe we should list the facts (meaning evidence)? Some argue whether breakdance is based on other artforms or developed on its own. (I'm not sure of anything anymore....:) Instead of interpret quotes and info from 3rd parties, we should maybe quote directly from the famous b-boys and books? Then readers can interpret themselves. Just a thought... Thechamelon 09:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Hi! The story about the RockSteady Crew being formed by a brazilian capoeira mestre is false. I think its not respectful for them to give wrong information about their origins. Quote: "THE CREATION OF THE ROCK STEADY CREW Written by Joe-Joe, The Original B.Boy, Rock Steady Crew '77


Founded in 1977, the crew's original name was the "Untouchable Four B.Boys". It consisted of four members, Joe-Joe, Easy-Mike, Jimmy-Dee, and P.Body 170th. However, the demands of recruits enabled them to reconsider and look past the four-member title of restricted membership. As a result, a meeting was held in Echo Place, Bronx, NY, at the residence of Jamie White [AKA Jimmy-Dee]. It was there that the ROCK STEADY name was born despite the initial idea of creating an extra crew to extend the "Untouchable Four B.Boys". "

This is an excerpt from the history of the Rocksteady Crew. Clearly we see no Capoeira mestre there, just some NYC kids.

You can find the RSC history at Mr Wiggles (one of RSC members, he is also in the Electric Bogaloo and was in the Magnificent Force back in the days, he was there when breakin and popping were being born so I think his word has got credibility) homepage http://www.mrwiggles.biz/hip_hop_timeline.htm

Also I find incorrect the many references to Capoeira that are included in the history of B.boyin´. Quoting again Mr Wiggles from http://www.mrwiggles.biz/misconceptions_of_hip_hop.htm : "-BBOYING WAS TAUGHT TO A GROUP OF YOUNG LATINOS BY A CAPOERA MAESTRO IN THE 70'S (CAPOEIRA IS A FORM OF MARTIAL ARTS, CREATED BY AFRICAN SLAVES AND DISGUISED AS A DANCE IN BRAZIL)." WHILE I DO AGREE THAT BBOYIN WAS INDIRECTLY INSPIRED BY THIS AFRICAN ART FORM. AND BBOYING DEFINITELY HAS ITS ROOTS IN AFRICAN DANCE. BUT I HAVEN'T MET A LATIN BBOY FROM BACK IN THE DAYS THAT CAN EVEN PRONOUNCE THE WORD CAPOEIRA. (MAN I CAN'T EVEN SPELL IT) THE STORY THAT BEST SIZES THIS ARGUMENT UP WAS A QUESTION POSED TO TWO OF OUR FOUR FATHERS OF BBOYIN "THE NIGGA TWINS", WHEN ASKED WHY DON'T YOU GUYS ( THE NIGGA TWINS ) GIVE CREDIT TO CAPOEIRA??? AND THERE REPLY WAS. I NEVER MET THIS GUY CAPOEIRA THAT YOUR TALKIN ABOUT BUT IF YOU BRING HIM TO ME ILL SEE IF I RECOGNIZE HIM. "

Having learnt both Capoeira and Breakin (although I´m into Breakin´ now, only), I can tell you that the apparent similitudes between both aren´t that great. Sure, both are played or danced in a circle. That´s logical, since when you´re breakin´, people are watching you, and the logical shape the people will form is a circle, since it allows most people to watch who is dancing. Music from Capoeira and Breakin´ have nothing in common. Headspins, Peu di Mao/90´s and some other of the few analogous moves between both aren´t done in the same way. In breakin´ the emphasis is put on doing the move the longest time, most difficult and flashiest way possible. This is the basis for the continual developing of breakin´, since everyone is striving to find new ways to do moves or whole new moves (which is more difficult). Instead capoeira has its set of moves, and you can´t move further from there. Take for instance an invert. Some b.boys now are doing inverts with their legs on lotus position because its a lot more difficult and amazing than a regular invert. In Capoeira you can´t really make up your own Invert! You must stick with the regular invert because that´s what a capoeira invert should look like. I hope you find my point. In fact I find that breakin´ has more moves similar to those of Kung Fu than to Capoeira. Based on these reasons I´m deleting the references to Capoeira and Mestre Jelon Vieira, since Breakin´ developed on its own from a number of influences, of which capoeira wasn´t that important, and its association with it (capoeira) is damaging the reputation of B.boyin Old Schoolers, making them look like simple imitators, when they created the most important urban dance style of the XX century. If someone doesn´t agree with this, please tell me why. Also state if you´re a Capoeirista or B.boy please. Violenciafriki 2:26 21 July 2005

Breaking and Capoeira are not one and the same, breaking is simply based off Capoeira. Of course break moves are constantly changing and being improved upon, it's the nature of the medium. Just as keeping the original moves of Capoeira the same as they were years ago is the standard of Martial Arts. Compare the showings of each form: A breaker who only did the original Capoeira moves would be crushed in a battle, the same as a Capoeira artist would be given low marks if he did not adhere to his specific movement in a judged competition. Each art form has evolved and taken on it's own form, especially breaking since dance is encouraged to improve upon itself constantly, but it's in the basic that the comparisons can be made. The basic toprock and the basic stance of Capoeira are too similar to ignore. Certain moves like hollowbacks and L kicks (I'm not sure of the Capoeira names) show up in both art forms. It doesn't matter if how the move is performed is different, since the aim of the movement is completely different. HeavenlySteps 19:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice of you explaining it. I am not a master of b-boy history, just thaught it would be more wikipedic not to edit big sections without an explanation. I have heard and seen *many* explanations and histories on the subject, but you argue well.. :) From now on, I hope everyone editing will have references supporting their view... Thechamelon 10:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • B-boying was not born from Capoeria. Nor was breaking "based" on Capoeria. We just borrowed moves from it just like we borrowed moves from Kung Fu, Gymnastics, Soul Train, and James Brown. (personally I watched tha Legendary Beat Street's ROXY Battle a thousand times)!!! In the Second coming of its popularity, Breakers attempted to learn Capoeria in order to improve their breaking because they saw it was similar and thought it would make them better dancers. What Bboy from the 90's hasn't seen "Only The Strong?!?!" -And we would watch it to steal moves from NOT for the sake of learning Capoeria. LAter it was obvious to Bboys: who was breaking and who was doing capoeria. (We would klown you for doing capoeria in our cypher). Capoeria CAN be considered a definite influence to Breaking, however Breaking existed independently.
  • Also early ROCKSTEADY 7 GEMS videos documented a tour they went on that included Brazil (circa 93-95???). WHile they were there they obviously clicked with the capoeristas. Getting paid to Bboy in a new land, with exotic people, DIving off cliffs into clear blue waters, Bboying (and possibly som herbals??)>> may have caused them to under go a deep spiritual connection with Brazil, and hence, Capoeria, and since Rocksteady was such a massive influence on the spread and popularization of this CUlture, It would be reasonable to say Capoeria had an influence on B-boying. (7 Gems video:http://www.cypherstyles.com/product_description.asp?prodId=581&Pn=7-Gems-Volume-
  • Note: There IS a history before RSC, (Check Zulu Nation) but seriously: Crazy Legs is the one who landed the gig for FLASH DANCE>>>THE MOVIE THAT INTRODUCED BREAKDANCE TO THE WORLD!! :TO America oustside of NY :and TO Europe as well. 1983. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085549/)
  • Here in America, breaking never really went away, per say >>> it went a different route >>> it turned into Hip Hop>>>dances like the Roger Rabbit, Running man, Kid n Play and Hip Hop here became Afro-Centric while in Europe They kept it Old School Flavor.http://www.battleoftheyear.de/.
  • Common sense broke down the phases of hip hop in his early rhyme:"I USED TO LOVE H.E.R.," where he spoke of HipHop as if she was a girl growing up. (She was an American girl not a European girl, doe, ha,ha, that was a joke)
  • No offense to capoeristas, I respect the art. Some very good friends, Circle of Fire: Free, Dufon (Orb), Seth, Bob (The Balance), Roberto members seriously studied Capoeria back in the days. Seth currently has a school there. Dufon and Orb currently do House/B-boying now.

Bboy Looner Serpent (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Yeah, sorry for the first time when I deleted a section without explanation... i´m newbie at wikipedia so I didn´t know about the talk page... :) Violenciafriki 01:52, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The concept that breaking emanated from the suburbs isn't very accurate, right? Worn down urban areas like Bronx in the 70s weren't suburbs by any definition. What to write instead? Arru 19:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • inner city kids


Hey all; I'm currently reading P.T. Barnum's autobiography Struggles and Triumphs (1872 edition) in which he refers to the dancing part of a negro song-and-dance routine as the "break down"--is there any linguistic or stylistic connection here? acdavis 18:50, 7 August 2006

B-Boy firstly started out in the early 1970's, it then became more popular ten years later, it first appeared on public on an advertisement, it then grew into a more popular form of dancing. It then grew into a semi sport dance because of the usage of many gymnastic moves which is usually known as Power Moves.

You can't tell me the opening statement "It is normally danced to funk or hip hop music, often remixed to prolong the breaks, and is arguably the best known of all hip hop dance styles." Is non point of view! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.65.51 (talk) 02:38, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

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