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Requested move

I proposed the page be moved as the topic does not just deal with the wiping of tape, but with the destruction of film, as already mentioned on this talk page. It is impossible to separate the one from the other when discussing the junking of archive television programmes in the 1960s and 1970s as both videotape and telerecordings were affected. Therefore I propose Junking (which already houses a re-direct to the page, hence why I couldn't simply move it myself) be used as the article title. Angmering 00:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose "Junking" is too general a term. Cars can be junked. —Wahoofive (talk) 00:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Wiping" is what it's called in the industry (or it was at the time, anyway). -- Arwel 01:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Junking was definitely a term in use by the 1960s Arwel – I've left a message explaining more on your talk page. Angmering 12:13, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Well if not Junking on its own, then what? Junking (film and tape) seems rather unwieldy. Junking (media), perhaps? Any other suggestions? Angmering 00:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we make the title more general about missing peices of film/tape. Jooler 01:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well the processes of destroying the material were called wiping and junking. I'm not sure what more general description you could use that wouldn't get too long, and add to that the fact that radio material is also included in the article (although not much at the moment admittedly, that needs bulking up. But one of the reasons I decided to propose the move was that actually having the article under a sensible name would be a good start to that expansion process). Angmering 01:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I propose moving it to Wiping (magnetic film) and making Wiping (this page) a disambiguation page. Wipe should redirect to this disambiguation page, and the current contents of Wipe should be moved to Wipe (film editing). --Minipie8 02:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Decision

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 10:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Wiping", surely?

i dont know :-s maybe. - fonzy

Google returns 719 hits for "wipeing" which I think is few enough to be confident it isn't a technical spelling. None of them are about TV companies wiping stuff anyway (one of them is titled "victor portrait old woman wipeing nose" which I find hilarious for some reason - too much coffee, perhaps). I'll move it. --Camembert

Can I suggest that this page is moved to something a little more descriptive. such as missing episodes or lost or destroyed television shows and films, such that it could include a list of what's missing etc..

Can we move this page to a more sensible title. As someone has correctly pointed out in an edit summary. you can't "wipe" film. Mintguy 12:44, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Don't radio companies qualify when wiping audio tape? The entire article makes it sound as this is a TV-only thing. --Gutza ^{T T+} 21:06, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is an Encyclapedia so the name should remain technical, if you want to create a page called lost and destroyed episodes or something of the like and redirect it here I have no problem with that but this page itself should stay name and all. Deathawk 16:19, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Limited Geographical Scope

I added this tag because I found that the main article focused mainly on the UK with only a small sectin devoted to the US I'd like to see it present a wider world view Deathawk 16:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No arguing with that. I contributed a fair chunk of the UK stuff, but alas I know little about US television so can't help with that bit. Angmering 19:36, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Junking Team

I have read on the net that a specific group of engineers/technicians were assigned to wipe/junk episodes. Other reports suggest however that just random BBC employees were instructed to wipe episodes. Which one is it?

Wiping US daytime soap operas

This seems difficult to believe: Of all the American soaps, Days Of Our Lives and Passions are the only ones with all their episodes in existence.

I would have thought more recent serials like The Young and the Restless, Santa Barbara, The Bold and the Beautiful would have all episodes extant too. Asa01 23:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Young and the Restless debuted in 1973. Soaps were being wiped right up until the early 1980's. The Bold and the Beautiful sadly "lost" most of their early episodes in transactions. As for Sanata Barbara it is quite possible its shows all survive, but the statemnet was referring to current soaps, not soaps from the 1980's. It is really only due to the crew (mainly the producer) who kept the kinescopes of Days Of Our Lives and thus it is truley unique. Been on air since the 1960's and all of its episodes survived the wiping phase of the 1970's. CorrieEnders 01:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too Many Examples?

Does anyone else feel that this article has too many rambling examples that don't do a lot to support the content? How many times doe I need to hear "GSN aired a rare episode of xxx". It is pretty irrelevant to the article.

Andrew Martin

I think Andrew Martin used to junk episodes. Should there be a subsection on him on this page......Matthew K Sharp 8 March 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.232.128.10 (talk) 12:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Steel tape

ISTR that in the last season 2 episode of The Secret Life of Machines that it was stated the BBC lost many old shows when they switched from steel tape to plastic magnetic tape. They sold the steel tape for scrap without dubbing to plastic tape. The episode also showed one of the huge reel to reel steel tape recorders. The reason for the large size was because the steel tape had to be run very fast for video recording.