Talk:Marcos Baghdatis

In my opinion, phrases like "one of the greatest ever" and "epic" smacks too much of POV and journalese. I am an admirer of Baghdatis game myself, but let's not get carried away. We are writing an encyclopedia and we would probably like to maintain an encyclopedic tone in an article. - 210.4.69.4 14:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Email address?

Should someone's email address really be in an encyclopedia? Trevor Andersen 07:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

This is ridicolous, there is no place for contact addresses in an article. As said, some people are getting too carried away with the excitement. This is not a "fan club" webpage. --Momolee 09:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed. There's already links to several fan pages. The email provided can't even be verified anyway. --Madchester 18:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Anticipation

In about an hour or three from now, this won't matter anymore, but someone has already said he lost to Federer before it may or may not happen. I think that's just stupid, you never try to predict the future like that. I've removed that edit, but I'm just voicing that I think that's ridiculous.

• Not really! I put $50 on Federer to win!

Why Baghdatis?

Since his name in greek is written with a 'Π', it should be transcribed with a P, shouldn't it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.205.225.170 (talk • contribs)

Παγδατής may be simplified for Μπαγδατής, to make it look less foreign... AnonMoos 19:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes if the name is Lebanese I doubt it starts with the letter P--Steven X 01:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Mpaghdatis?!--Steven X 00:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Μπ = b sound in greek. --41.245.47.149 18:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

HIS FAMILY NAME ORIGINALLY WAS BAGHDADY " MENTIONED IN A LEBANESE NEWSPAPER", AS MOST OF ARABIC FAMILY NAMES END WITH Y, BUT MAY BE THE FATHER CHANGED HIS NAME BY ADDING THE SUFFIX "IS" TO HARMONIZE WITH CYPRIOT NAMES.

I'm pretty sure his father, despite being Lebanese, is of Greek decent. So I think the name is Greek. I cannot find any sites which prove that his father is of Greek decent, but the face that his father's name is Christos, which is a Greek name, and is also Greek Orthodox is a strong indication that he is of Greek decent. Also I doubt that his father changed is sirname to 'harmonize' with Cypriot names, because Greek-Cypriots don't usually follow the rule of having names end with IS or OS as other Greeks do.

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I deleted "unfortunately" from the sentence that talked about his injury. I agree that it was unfortunate, but you would never see opinionated words like that in a real encyclopedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanley011 (talk • contribs)

Playing style

"Also, before every serve he quickly bounces the ball between his legs with his Fischer Pro-Speed racquet, which is often emulated by aspiring junior tennis players."

This is an awkward, unrelated comment about a quirky mennerism of Baghdatis and has nothing to do with his tennis. Plus Baghdatis actually picked it up from watching early Federer. Anyway, how "Fischer Pro-speed racquet" and "emulation by juniors" got tied up with this trivia is beyond comprehension. I am deleting the sentence. --- 202.59.136.82 21:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Makes unforced errors too much

If there is a weakness structurally with his game, that is it. He simply GAVE nadal the second set, but nadal is a doper anyway so who cares?

Foleys

Is it true he went to foley's graamer school in cy. There are alot of roumors going round that he did but i dnt want 2 add it coz its roumor--Slogankid 20:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Defeat

18th of January 2007

He was defeated by a French Tennis player in the Australian Open . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.163.145.69 (talk) 13:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

whoever keeps changing the score in the final of the A open in 2006, just to let you know he was defeated in the A open by Roger Federer. He did not win

Australian Open 2008 Contraversy

Regarding: In it, Baghdatis is holding a flare and taking part in chants against the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

The chant was "Turks out" - on what basis has this article arbitrarily decided that the chanters were referring to the Turkish military rather than the Turkish Cypriot community themselves?

It was, afterall, the policy of the Cypriot Government prior to Turkish military presence that there is no place in Cyprus for people of Turkish ancestry.

"Unless this small Turkish community, forming part of the Turkish race, which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of Eoka can never be considered as terminated." - President Makarios

"There is no place in Cyprus for anyone who is not Greek." - Interior Minister Yorgadjis

Would it not be better to simply quote the chant and leave it to the readers judgement? By all means, this can be accompanied by his post-event explanations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.135.28.86 (talk) 19:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Of course, the fact that you're posting from an IP address in Ankara has nothing to do with your concern, does it? The chant, which Baghdatis cannot actually be seen mouthing himself in the video,[1] is directly precisely against foreigners like you, not against Cypriots. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 11:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL - I am in Girne, North Cyprus. As you may or may not know, our telephone codes, postal codes, IP address all have to go through Turkey as we were deprived of all international representation in 1963 when the Greek Cypriots tore up the constitution and disenfranchised the Turkish Cypriots, chasing those of us they could not kill into enclaves. You can read any number of Western or even Greek historians and save us having an irrelevant argument here. You can contact Extend Broadband in North Cyprus and they will confirm the IP is within the range that they distribute to their customers.

My point stands, regardless of my ethnic background. If the issue is over what he said, then why not simply quote what he said and leave the interpretation to the reader - rather than presenting only the authors interpretation?

This particular issue is just a sympton of the bigger picture - Bagdatis has chosen to associate himself with a nationalist group called Hellas Club who have a history of provoking trouble quite independently of Turks. What do Turks have to do with calling for the annexation of Macedonia, or getting themselves banned from football events for 10 years, or giving rise to tennis hooliganism and starting violent confrontations with the Australian police? Baghdatis defended the hooligans and accused the police of starting the trouble. If there were no such thing as Turkish Cypriots, this issue would still have arisen because the problem is his involvement with the Hellas Club, not with any one particular greviance they have. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.135.28.86 (talk) 21:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The anon is correct. The fact is Baghdatis was seen chanting "Turks out of Cyprus", that is the fact. Whether it was a protest of the Turkish army, or in reference to Turkish Cypriots (and take note, the group is seen chanting Ellas, Kypros, Enosis at the end) is not for editors here to make a judgement on. --A.Garnet (talk) 15:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Can we stop with the endless creative rewrites? There are enough sources which state he chanted, add to this he did not deny that he chanted. I've added "appears to be" as a compromise for the lone source which questions his role. Also, do not delete reference to the HFC considering their clash with the police, that is part of the controversy. --A.Garnet (talk) 17:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Given the selective media commentaries that are quoted in the final paragraph on this section, perhaps this entire article should be renamed "The Baghdatis Fanzine"... Shall we introduce the proper balance for this by quoting some of the very many less complimentary commentaries, or should we take the more appropriate action of removing this pitiful attempt at reader manipulation? I am English, just in case anyone chooses to make a point out of my race as was done to the person who made the very proper suggestion that the article be corrected in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.130.142.7 (talk) 01:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The Cypriots scarcely trust the English more than they do the Turks. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 05:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Baghdatis' comment was an obvious reference to the Turkish occupation of 1974. All Greek Cypriot people still suffer from their experiences of that time. My grandfather fought in the EOKA struggle to free his beloved country from the British, and soon after Cyprus finally gained independence, the Turks invaded. My grandfather and his family, including my then 10-year old mother, fled their homes with nothing but the clothes they were wearing. They lost everything. Can you imagine if that happened to you? And many people also lost their lives. So this comment is something that all Cypriots would support, desiring to see their country and their homes free again. It is not at all a racist comment, but a cry against this horrible injustice which still continues today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.93.31 (talk) 05:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

"and soon after Cyprus finally gained independence, the Turks invaded" - typical amnesia about what racists like your grandfather did between 1960 and 1974 to bring about the Turkish intervention. Makarios to his credit accepted his responsibility when he rightly blamed the tragedy of Cyprus on Enosis. When will the rest of you start to take any responsibility for what happened at all? Do you really expect me to mourn the death of a movement to eradicate the entire Turkish population from Cyprus? To pity the fact that you failed? English, Americans and Turkish representatives gave you ELEVEN years of warnings to stop. Despite your whining, because of your USSR friends on the UN Security Council it is still the Turks being punished for your intolerance. That is the only injustice. To attempt the genocide of a minority then cry victimhood because you failed works only with people who have not read much about the situation. Your grandfather, if he truly was EOKA, was a murderous racist. And that the crowd were chanting for Enosis at the BBQ right after they chanted "Turks Out" indicates that they meant more than just the Turkish military. So stick to the facts, not your interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.234.111 (talk) 20:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)