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New station infobox concept

Taking a page from the WP:SHIP folks, I've devised a componen version of {{Infobox Station}}, with some documentation at {{Infobox Station Example}}. This makes the template modular, and permits the additional of multiple "sections" (i.e. passengers). It also allows greater customization: see State/Lake (CTA), where a custom variant of {{Infobox Station Header}} ({{Infobox Station Header CTA}}), allows the old-style display. Thoughts and comments? Mackensen (talk) 23:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty good. How would this work for Harlem-125th Street (Metro-North station), Fordham (Metro-North station), or a possible combination of Jefferson Park (Metra-CTA)? I still think the fact that both the old (UP-NW) and Blue Line share the same facility makes merging the two articles a good idea, and hope one doesn't mess up the other. And have you given any thought to adding NRHP parameters, as we've had in discussions in the past? ----DanTD (talk) 20:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the two Metro-North stations wouldn't be affected at all. If we went ahead with the Jefferson Park dual article, I suppose the main change would be in allowing the CTA-style bars, and having two "Traffic" sections if someone can track down ridership numbers for Metra. Regarding NRHP, I can probably create a wrapper to just include the box within the table. Let me play with that and get back to you. Mackensen (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Check out Sebring (Amtrak station). {{Infobox nrhp}} fits into the new concept without alteration. Mackensen (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen it. I was hoping it could be added to other historic railroad stations throughout the country. ----DanTD (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It can; just use the base code from Template:Infobox Station Example, and add the nrhp infobox in the same fashion. Mackensen (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No good for Greenport (LIRR station). Not only did {{Infobox nrhp}} not blend in as well as it did for Sebring (Amtrak station), but the old Long Island Rail Road header no longer existed on the newer version. ----DanTD (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks Good —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zol87 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you fixed the problems with Greenport (LIRR station), Mackensen. I added the new version for West Palm Beach (Tri-Rail station), and I'm considering others, including Dwight (Amtrak station) and Strafford (SEPTA station). But could you fix the problems with the new infobox for Linden (CTA)? The passenger parameters keeps slipping out. ----DanTD (talk) 20:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed it. The NRHP template has to come last. Mackensen (talk) 20:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know. I'm not the one who originally added the new infobox, but it's still good to know. ----DanTD (talk) 21:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added the NRHP template last for Strafford (SEPTA station) and that was no good either. The NRHP template shrunk, and I can't spread it out to the width of the rest of the infobox. I had the same problem with Greenport (LIRR station). I'm still planning this for Dwight (Amtrak station), and a few Metro North stations, but I'd like to be able to make them work right before I do. ----DanTD (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weird. I'll look into it. Mackensen (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
== Fair use in [[Railroad Article Name Here]] ==

{{Non-free use rationale
| Description       = Railroad Name Here logo description if available
| Source            = Place railroad homepage here or other notable source
| Article           = Railroad Article Name Here
| Portion           = The entire logo is used to convey the meaning intended and avoid tarnishing or misrepresenting the intended
image.
| Low_resolution    = The logo is a size and resolution sufficient to maintain the quality intended by the company or organization,
without being unnecessarily high resolution.
| Purpose           = The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing [[Railroad Article Name Here]],
a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the reader
they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's
intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey.
| Replaceability    = Because it is a logo there is almost certainly no free equivalent. Any substitute that is not a derivative
work would fail to convey the meaning intended, would tarnish or misrepresent its image, or would fail its purpose of
identification or commentary.
| other_information = '''Heralds''' are "logos" or "slogans" used by railroad companies and displayed on their equipment.
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases. In some cases, these things may be protected as
trademarks.... However, copyright protection may be available for logo artwork that contains sufficient authorship.
In some circumstances, an artistic logo may also be protected as a trademark."
''Excerpt from http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html'' Use of such images on Wikipedia arguably meets
'''[[Fair use|Fair Use]]''' requirements.
}}
{{Non-free logo}}
If that's not enough rationale it's hopeless..
--DP67 (talk/contribs) 06:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also getting tagged for the same reasons are images of passenger train drumhead logos; I've updated several images with appropriate rationales (and a few more this morning). Two other lists to check through would be List of defunct United States railroads and List of named passenger trains. Slambo (Speak) 12:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Completion log

I have checked List of defunct United States railroads#Commuter railroads. Mangoe (talk) 14:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Europe topic and Rapid transit in Europe

I have just created a template Rapid transit in Europe and would welcome improvement. It is adapted from Template:Europe topic although currently there will be only one transclusion until other articles are created. Some places may also needed to be removed due to lack of in that area.

It currently looks like

Simply south (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No longer exists, userfied. Simply south (talk) 21:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article requested for more than a year; Tourist Standard Open End

Tourist Standard Open End is on WP:AR1, I belive this could be an redirect to Tourist Standard Open but I am not quite sure. Taemyr (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tourist Standard Open (Trolley)) already redirect to Tourist Standard Open. Tourist Standard Open Buffet has its own article. The Coaching Stock of British Rail template mentions TSOB and TSOT, but not TSOE. TSOB is acknowledged here, though ... possibly some inconsistency in our template? I think for the moment we can redirect Tourist Standard Open End and Tourist Standard Open (End) to Tourist Standard Open. Which I will now do. and someone else can figure out if the article should be Tourist Standard Open (Buffet) or Tourist Standard Open Buffet --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Direct Waterloo - Bristol Service

An anonymous user is putting this service into route boxes in the West country, using the Wessex Main Line, which does not go to London, as a link. I would change the boxes but could someone confirm my check that this service does not exist? Stations I have found so far are Westbury railway station, Bath Spa railway station and Warminster railway station. Thanks. Britmax (talk) 19:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ps the user is an IP address, 87.80.42.147 Britmax (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure about whether these services are on the Wessex Main Line but they do serve the stations shown therefore the service does indeed exist. By the looks of it, trains go once every three hours. Simply south (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes a little more searching by me confirms that, so it seems to be a good faith addition. Thanks for your help. The trains seem to use the Wessex Main Line to Salisbury then go to Waterloo via the Waterloo - Exeter (West of England Main Line)Line. This means the use of the Wessex Main Line in the boxes is to my mind understandable but inaccurate. This needs some thought as it's mired in the classic route/line debate. Hey Ho! Britmax (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Project Consolidation

I was just wondering about consolidating the US Railroads rather than having a page load of projects to sift through why not just one? The UP is one such example being as this railroad, as well as others serve half the country, is it really necessary to have every state chime in a stake their ground? Should we just have one project, one category, North American Railroad and be done with it rather than a page load of categories and a page load of project banners. It doesn't seem practical to me having so many projects staking claim.

--DP67 (talk/contribs) 04:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestion may be appropriate for a few large modern railroads, but the much larger number of small local railroads (many of them historical) might be more easily accessible under the present system. Thewellman (talk) 08:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rail industry award recipient categories nominated for deletion

Another editor has nominated all of the subcategories of Category:Rail transport industry award recipients for deletion as overcategorization. Please visit the deletion discussion page and make your opinions known. Slambo (Speak) 15:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MBTA Newburyport/Rockport Line station article issue

I'm trying to create an article on Beverly Depot station on that line, however I ran into a problem when entering the next station info in the Infobox. This station is the last station (going outbound) before the line splits into two lines going to Newburyport or Rockport resepctivly. Now I've done an article on a station with the same situation once before and I used basicly the same method with this one. When I previewed the article though, I noticed that instead of showing the two next stations, it only showed one. I'm still new here, so I can't tell weather or not this is a template issue or not. Here's my work, see if you can help me with this. 

{{Infobox Station
 | name=Beverly Depot
 | image=
 | image_size=
 | image_caption=
 | address=12 Park St [[Beverly, MA]] 01915-4202
 | coordinates=
 | line=[[Newburyport/Rockport Line]]
 | other=
 | platform= 
 | tracks=
 | parking=
 | bicycle=
 | passengers=
 | pass_year=
 | pass_percent=
 | pass_system=
 | opened=
 | rebuilt=
 | ADA=
 | code=
 | owned=[[MBTA]]
 | zone=
 | services=
{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=MBTA}}
{{s-line|system=MBTA|line=Newburyport|previous=Salem|next=Monserrat|next2=North Beverly|type2=Rockport|type3=Newburyport}}
}}
'''Beverly Depot''' is a passenger rail station on [[MBTA Commuter Rail|MBTA Commuter Rail's]] [[Newburyport/Rockport Line]].<ref>[http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/rail/lines/stations/default.asp?stopId=19&lat=42.546907&lng=-70.885168] ''MBTA official website''</ref>

== References ==

{{reflist}}

== External links ==

* [http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/rail/lines/stations/default.asp?stopId=19&lat=42.546907&lng=-70.885168 Swampscott station official website]
* [http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/rail/lines/?route=NBRYROCK Schedule]

Murjax (talk) 00:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • {{s-line}} only shows one line and one set of stations. You have to string two or more s-line templates together to create a junction, like so:
{{s-rail|title=MBTA}}
{{s-line|system=MBTA|line=Newburyport|previous=Salem|next=Monserrat|type2=Rockport|rows1=2|rowsmid=2}}
{{s-line|system=MBTA|line=Newburyport|next=North Beverly|type2=Newburyport|hide1=yes|hidemid=yes}}

Hope this helps. Mackensen (talk) 01:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changing things

(why am i editing at 5?)

Should there be a child project on rail transport in the US? Simply south (talk) 05:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would be for it.. --DP67 (talk/contribs) 13:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Need input on a CfR

I recently nominated Category:Abandoned stations for renaming. A discussion about the most appropriate name for the category and about the scope of the category has arisen. Part of this is the question which term covers the status of these railway stations best: Disused? Defunct? Former? I would like to ask the members of this WikiProject for their take on this, at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 18#Category:Abandoned stations. AecisBrievenbus 23:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Union Station (Washington, D.C.)'s MARC Routebox

Something has always troubled me about the MARC Routebox at Washington D.C.'s Union Station article. If all the other stations on the Brunswick Line are listed from west to east, with DC on the right, then the DC routebox should be listed the same way. The fact that they all run north of the Potomac River shouldn't make any difference. Come to think of it, I've got similar issues regarding Pennsylvania Station (New York City). I wonder if Yonkers (Metro-North station) and maybe Croton-Harmon (Metro-North station) shouldn't be on the right side of the routebox. ----DanTD (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now about the VRE issue, that's not just L'Enfant Plaza (Washington Metro), there's something wrong with the templates on both lines that causes them to be sent to the Union Station (Washington Metro) page. I looked at the templates and even tried fixing it but I can't seem to find where the problem is on the template page itself. Murjax (talk) 01:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MBTA Franklin Line map issue

The Islington station on the map in the MBTA Franklin Line article is misspelled. I couldn't find where to fix it so if someone who knows where this is, please fix it. Thank you. Murjax (talk) 03:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


User talk:Lordkinbote

This user was very active in train images and has left the project. Anyone who could write/replace his tagged images would be most appreciated. MBisanz talk 08:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could try replacing them with tags similar to the one used on Image:GTW The International Limited.jpg. I agree that these images should be saved. ----DanTD (talk) 03:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


London

Members of WP:TWP are invited to join in this discussion at WT:RAIL. Thanks, --RFBailey (talk) 03:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The Ghan

I've just completed a significant re-write of The Ghan after working on the Indian Pacific earlier this week and realizing that The Ghan article needed some work. I've raised some of mu remaining questions on Talk:The_Ghan and would appreciate any input, suggestions, etc. Travellingcari (talk) 21:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R8A

Hi. Someone created a stub article on this class of NYC subway car. I've done some basic tidying etc. on the article, but as I did so, I noticed that the various templates used for the NYC rolling stock, and the St. Louis Car Company article which apparently made this car don't include this particular class. I'm not a train afficianado myself (ducks rapidly as used bogeys fly overhead...), so can I just leave this reminder here for someone more au-fait with the subject to have a quick review and see if anything needs amending ? Thanks. CultureDrone (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up. Task completed.--MrFishGo Fish 18:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder of the Philip Greenspun Illustration project

Hi. You may be familiar with the Philip Greenspun Illustration Project. $20,000 has been donated to pay for the creation of high quality diagrams for Wikipedia and its sister projects.

Requests are currently being taken at m:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests and input from members of this project would be very welcome. If you can think of any diagrams (not photos or maps) that would be useful then I encourage you to suggest them at this page. If there is any free content material that would assist in drawing the diagram then it would be great if you could list that, too.

If there are any related (or unrelated) WikiProjects you think might have some suggestions then please pass this request over. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 16:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Westrail

I took a look at Westrail after SuggestBot left me a note. I'd love to work on it because it needs some serious help, but the vast majority of sources appear to be locked behind paid gates. Anyone have access to other sources of information? Travellingcari (talk) 21:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IRC Channel available

For those of you interested I started an IRC channel for the trains project. Its irc.freenode.net - #Wikipedia-Trains-en --DP67 (talk/contribs) 23:41, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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