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Kia ora, while this talk page discusses WikiProject New Zealand, a New Zealand Wikipedian notice board does exist. It may be more relevant to place any comments concerning New Zealand articles (or Wiki-events) there. If you are asking for New Zealand opinion on AfD, then try Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/New Zealand. To seek New Zealand Wikipedian help on editing a new (New Zealand) article, then try Wikipedia:New articles (New Zealand). Many thanks. --Midnighttonight please tell me off for procrastinating on my essay! 08:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Removal of material from Schools

It has come to my attention that User:Mr Bluefin has been going around NZ schools removing a lot of useful information arguing that it is not encyclopedic. Please keep watch on this issue to make sure that these articles are not reduced to sub-stubs as what happened to Mt Roskill Grammar: [1] (now reverted).--Konstable 01:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Input needed on mountaineer

British/Irish mountaineer Brede Arkless who assumed NZ citizenship is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brede Arkless. Please provide input. More NZ related links at Talk:Brede Arkless. Thanks. ~ trialsanderrors 00:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Karori

  • I received the following note on my talk page. Could a knowledgeable Wikipedian check this. I cannot possibly go check myself and Google wasn't helpful. Please leave a note on my talk page if you answer this. - Mgm|(talk) 08:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could you inform Pook51 that the paragraph about 'Tom Chong' is false information. The 'Tom Chong' statue does not exist nor is the fact about how Tom Chong was one of the first chinese settlers to reside in Karori. Rovemcmanus 01:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Māori terms

I have started on an attempt to clean up the usage of Māori terms throughout New Zealand articles. What I mean is that making sure that the proper spelling is used for example Maori -> Māori, Pakeha -> Pākehā, Pa -> Pā. The full list of what I am using can be found here (I keep on adding to it as I go) can be found at User:Konstable/Māori terms, along with the more specific description. Basically I do this using AWB, but reviewing (and editing if needed) all the changes so it is not a fast process for so many articles. If anyone has any terms they wish me to add to the list, wants to help do the same, or any other thoughts - let me know on User talk:Konstable/Māori terms.--Konstable 10:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New Zealand people

There seems to be a wish to put people directly in this category as well as any sub-categorys. I think this is a bad idea. The category will become too long (several thousand names) and unweldy. I think either everyone should be in a subcategory (or two if applicable) or perhaps we should split it by letters of the surname or something. Even large countries like Franch or Australia don't list many in the top category. I also not that subcates like Category:New Zealand World War II people don't show up until you go to the second page. - SimonLyall 11:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simon, I took the liberty of fixing a category link in your post above. I agree with your point.-gadfium 20:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I often find it amusing to see such spelling errors in a comment designed to improve the accuracy and usability of structure in an encyclopedia, as opposed to a dictionary. categorys? how about categories, weldy? try unwieldy, Franch to France, subcates to subcats. Look my tongue is in my cheek, so lets lighten this up. Cats have always been curious to me, especially the wiki kind, and I'm still working through it here. I support the current model, as it simply works, although I would prefer to see a complete alphabetical list of articles in each category on a single page, and a complete list of subcategories on its own page if required, but I'm unsure why the 200 limit messes up the lists. I dont see a list of several thousand being an issue at all, but obviously it is to some, I deal with such lists everyday. Is it a problem with text editors or browsers? I'm not about to try and change policy though, that path (already well trodden) is a waste of energy, better spent building and improving articles. My ultimate thought is that there should be roughly 4 million people listed in this category, an idea unacceptable to most wikipedians, but one shared by most revolutionary thinkers, see Equality_of_opportunity.moza 04:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Moz, if you remove the colon from this title it categorizes this page under Category:New Zealand people. Please be more careful in future, as this mistake could undermine the accuracy and usability of the encyclopedia ;) Ziggurat 04:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was checking and fixing it when your edit conflict forced me to wait a few seconds more. do you really think that the "this mistake could undermine the accuracy and usability of the encyclopedia " is necessary? I dont.moza 04:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that everyone makes mistakes, and pointing out spelling errors in an otherwise unrelated post seems needlessly rude. Ziggurat 06:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ok well how about: "My ultimate thought is that there should be roughly 4 million people listed in this category,.." seems related to me. It is possible to see the humourous side, depends on the readers mental set and setting.moza 08:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And as for rudeness, how do you think the next of kin feel about the deceased Rod Donald being mis-named on up to a hundred articles as co-leader of a NZ political party? its scandalous, and the failure of ANYONE doing ANYTHING about it renders any further discussion and/or opinion completely worthless. I see interminable bickering over incredible trivia and yet you all allow this to continue without significant or meaningful discussion and almost no action. A few have shown the way, but less have followed. Does that mean I can go and create a hundred lying articles and have them up for six months? I dont think so. rude? I think its disgusting and utterly shameless, and we are all tarred with the same brush.moza 15:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re NZ people by occupation, we don't need Category:New Zealand educationalists (nil in) as well as Category:New Zealand educators (about 23) do we?? And there is only one in Category:New Zealand schoolteachers Hugo999 (talk) 03:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Subcategories of Category:Regions of New Zealand

It's worried me for a while that the subcategories of Category:Regions of New Zealand don't conform with the official regions into which the country is divided. it's mainly my fault - I created most of these categories a year and a half ago while making a few hundred geography articles. I think, though, that it's about time these were formalised. Luckily, most of the seventeen categories won't need much work at all. Twelve will need only the slightest of tweaks if any (Category:Northland, New Zealand, Category:Waikato, Category:Hawke's Bay, Category:Taranaki, Category:Manawatu-Wanganui, Category:Wellington Region, Category:Marlborough, New Zealand, Category:West Coast, New Zealand, Category:Canterbury, New Zealand, Category:Otago, and Category:Southland, New Zealand, plus the still useful, even if not "official" Category:New Zealand outlying islands). The other five need a little more work.

I'd like to propose the following changes:

Unless there are any serious objections to this, I'll start the ball rolling with a CFR of the Auckland and Nelson ones, then see where to go from there. (crossposted at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board) Grutness...wha? 07:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On further inspection, I can simplify this scheme a little further -
Grutness...wha? 06:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism watch Page

As per a bit of discussion at thr Auckland meetup I am thinking of setting up a subpage of this to help coordinate the watching of NZ related pages to reduce vandalism. It would probably be a list of top 20 articles and links to pages like Special:Recentchangeslinked/Category:Cities and towns in New Zealand to help people keep an eye on other pages. Thoughts and suggested names or better places to put this? - SimonLyall 13:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I've been here two years, and an admin for a year and a half, and I never knew about Recentchangeslinked! Thanks you! :) BTW - do you think that the "Cities and towns" category needs to be taken to CFD for renaming? It deals with lots of places which are much smaller than town size as well... perhaps "Cities, towns and settlements...", or just "Inhabited places..."? Oh, and yes, the vandalism page is a very good idea - perhaps as a subpage of this page, something like Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Vandalism patrol (WP:WNZV)? Grutness...wha? 00:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the idea of a vandalism watch page, but perhaps we could just add a section to WP:MVP. Lots of people look for vandalism to any pages listed there. Otherwise, we're vulnerable to vandalism during the small hours of the morning.-gadfium 01:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure WP:MVP is the best place, compared to George W. Bush most of ours are fairly minor problems. Im also thinking of something more general to catch the random vandalism of NZ pages. Eg this one on Simon Upton I found two weeks after it happened (and this that sat for a month) and there are probably older. Sort of a g'tee that almost all NZ related pages are watched by a couple of people and prioritising it to ones most often hit. - SimonLyall 09:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Waikouaiti and Stewart Island/Rakiura are often hit, I think they think its funny to include an international airport down there, and there seems to be a 'wasp' response to the dual naming thing, Mt Taranaki has had a similiar trail.moza 10:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've set up WP:WNZV as suggested by Grutness. It needs to be populated, and regularly checked for vandalism.-gadfium 20:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Any feedback? The transcluded list of List of towns in New Zealand isn't ideal, as it includes a few linked items which are not towns in NZ. I could convert it to part of the WP:WNZV page easily enough, but then we'd have to add any updates manually. Should we also include or transclude List of New Zealand-related topics, List of New Zealanders, Category:Years in New Zealand etc, or only add articles as someone notices a vandalism problem?-gadfium 09:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging talk pages and assessing articles

Wikipedia Assessments within AWB. Click on the image to see it in better resolution

Hi. If you still have work to do tagging talk pages and assessing articles, my AWB plugin might be of interest to you.

The plugin has two main modes of operation:

  • Tagging talk pages, great for high-speed tagging
  • Assessments mode, for reviewing articles (pictured)

As of the current version, WikiProjects with simple "generic" templates are supported by the plugin without the need for any special programatic support by me. I've had a look at your project's template and you seem to qualify.

For more information see:

Hope that helps. If you have any questions or find any bugs please let me know on the plugin's talk page. --Kingboyk 14:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

joining WikiProject New Zealand

Hello, I would like to help with this WikiProject. Where do I sign up? --James Bond 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! Just add your name to the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand#Participants. Grutness...wha? 01:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Missing pages that are no longer missing

I just created New Zealand telephone numbering plan, because it was on the list of missing pages, (and I needed a reference article for work purposes too). I also added it to Wikipedia:New articles (New Zealand) and put a project template on the talk page. I think it can still be improved, but do not have the time just yet. What is the protocol for what happens to the Wikipedia:WikiProject_New_Zealand listing? Do I remove it? Let someone else review the article, and they remove the listing? Put a new one in its place? -- Cameron Dewe 01:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's no official protocol, but what normally happens is either it gets left until someone updates the list, or (if you're more diligent :) you could remove it and note in your edit summary what has been removed. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How about adding it to Wikipedia:New articles (New Zealand) and taking it off the list? -- Cameron Dewe 01:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Greece

This article has been vastly improved and expanded. New Zealanders participated in this campaign during World War II and I was hoping some of you might want to contribute. It has also been nominated for A-class status. Take a look if you'd like. Periklis* 06:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 16:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting in NZ

The other day I added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Todo this list:-

Anyone care to pick this up and run with it? I'm over the Tasman and know little about Scouting in NZ. --Bduke 00:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Don't think many people in New Zealand do scouting. Glamgirljaspreet101 (talk) 02:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Brian??

Was Brian Lochore actually knighted, or was an editor a little overenthusiastic about the form of address for a holder of the OBE? dramatic 10:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He was knighted in 1999 - see here. Grutness...wha? 11:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Phew!

I'm pleased to announce that everyone listed on List of New Zelanders and all the major lists linked therefrom, now has Birth/death dates included on the year in New Zealand pages. Ok, the above lists are not all-encompassing by a long chalk, but its a start. dramatic 10:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good work! I'll add my own "phew" - I've just sifted all the NZ-bio-stubs, NZ-geo-stubs, NZ-company-stubs, NZ-org-stubs, and Maori-stubs from the main Category:New Zealand stubs, which now looks a little slimmer at 580 stubs than it did at just over 800! Grutness...wha? 10:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On a related stub-tidying note, I've been sifting my way through some of the NZ-geo-stubs and re-stubbing them as the appropriate regional stub, but I've noticed that changing the stub, doesn't always move them from the NZ Geography Stubs category into the appropriate sub-category e.g Tolaga Bay. Am I doing something the wrong way - or is there something else I should be doing to fix this? Malathos 00:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's perfectly fine. The standard way of subdividing countries in geo-stub splitting these days is to create templates for each region but to only create categories for those where there are a large number of stubs (usually 60 or more). other stub templates simply feed into the parent national geo-stub category. WP:WSS runs regular checks on the number of stubs marked with each template, and once a particular template appears to be heavily used it will get a new category. The reason is that while main categories are intended for readers, stub categories are mainly aimed at editors, and it is far easier for editors to find particular articles if there are a "comfortable" number of stubs in a category, not too many and not too few. If all categories were made as soon as a national split occurred, there might well be a large number of categories many of which would be nearly empty. Don't worry - given time and the exponential growth in stub numbers, the other categories will appear sooner or later! Grutness...wha? 01:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, it's likely there will be a new category for greography stubs on the Wellington Region within a few days. Grutness...wha? 01:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. In that case, I'll carry on re-stubbing where I can . Malathos 01:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes Act 1961

Enough articles refer to Crimes Act 1961 that it may be worthwhile to create an article for it. I'll leave it to the experts here to evaluate ... ✤ JonHarder talk 21:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few Acts which need pages. Apart from the Crimes Act, there is (just off the top of my head):
  • State Owned Enterprises Act
  • whichever act gave women the vote
  • the act making NZ nuclear free
  • various 1st Labour govt acts
  • Employment Contracts Act
  • Employment Relations Act
  • the Human Rights Act page needs expanding

Its pretty easy to do the basic stuff - you just grab a copy from New Zealand Statutes, which most libraries have, and fill in the template. You can pinch this from the Treaty of Waitangi Act page or several others. --Helenalex 22:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All the legistation is online[www.legislation.govt.nz], so that should make it even easier.--Limegreen 23:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't seem to include repealed legislation, but for stuff which is still current it is useful. --Helenalex 23:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geography of New Zealand

Hi all, I've done the major revision needed of the Geography of New Zealand. It would be good to get a temperature map and this site has some good maps but I'm not sure of the copyrights etc. Tim_ 00:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

strangly enough I was also starting to do an update. My version is User:SimonLyall/test . Feel free to grab bits I have into what you have done etc. I'll have a look myself but I'm a little behind right now. - SimonLyall 01:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yours is looking great, the geographic regions section is very nice, I'll add a lot of the stuff from yours to the main article in the next few days if you haven't already. =) Tim {talk | contribs} 08:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aroha Island

I'd like to add Aroha Island to the List of islands of New Zealand, but am not quite versed enough to know which section in the list is best for it. Please advise. I came across this since I decided to try to de-orphan an article, and started working on Aroha Island. Keesiewonder talk 01:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would think it belongs in the "Open sea islands" section, although I confess I don't know exactly where Aroha Island is. You could improve the article on the island by giving its location in greater detail, and perhaps even including a map to show where it is.
Incidentally, where are our blank maps of New Zealand and North and South Island kept? I thought I'd find them at commons:Category:Maps_of_New_Zealand, but the only blank one there is Image:NZ Locator Blank.png. To use that one, see Rakiura National Park for an example of how to superimpose a dot.-gadfium 04:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aroha Island is located just off the northern coast of Kerikeri Inlet in the Bay of Islands. (There's a nice map showcased here.) It's connected to the mainland by mangrove flats and a causeway, so I wouldn't exactly describe it as an "open sea island", but that section is probably the closest fit. -- Avenue 09:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've added Aroha Island to the Open Sea Island section of the island list. Since I'm focused on de-orphaning (from 0 to 4 in the 'what links here' count) right now rather than expanding the stub article, I'll save expanding/improving the article for another day. Keesiewonder talk 02:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William Stevenson

According to William Stevenson (New Zealander), Sir William Alfred Stevenson was born when his father (William Stevenson) was only 4 years old. Stevenson senior, not content with that feat, founded his company at the age of 15, so methinks that it is his birthdate which is in error. Does anyone have a source to fix it?dramatic 11:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flora and fauna

Is anyone interested in forming a WikiProject focusing on the biota of New Zealand? I'm doing a course in ecology and conservation at the moment and I'm interested in continuing along this path, so I may be able to contribute a bit to this area. If other editors are interested we could look at drafting up a sub-project. Richard001 06:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You should fish (ba-dum!) for interest in the various Tree of Life Wikiprojects. One of my current personal projects is the New Zealand wrens, feel free to give it a look over. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps this would be better as a Work group instead? Starting as a work groups seems the safer plan. There seem to be enough New Zealand editors for it to work, perhaps we could make a start at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Biodiversity? Richard001 03:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've started a few articles on plants of the Three Kings Islands like Tecomanthe speciosa and improved others like Meryta sinclairii... was about to ask about making a subcat of Flora of NZ. Have pix of quite a few other plants that would be relevant to that category. Kahuroa 05:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Puffies

This page needs some work especially references. Is it a piss take? Is it notable? Alan Liefting 01:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would say delete, unless someone can find references. Neither of the contributors has done much else, which is never a good sign. --Helenalex 02:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've prodded it, and removed the unrelated definition.-gadfium 04:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ANZAC Day

Hi guys and girls. I am not part of the WikiProject as such, but I am a New Zealand Wikipedian (or should that be Wikipedian New Zealander :P?) and I am quite concerend about the state of the ANZAC Day article. This article will be on the Main Page tomorrow as one of the featured anniversaries. What is concerning is the article is not of a very high standard and New Zealand seems to take a back seat to Australia for much of the articles. Just look at the images and you will see none from New Zealand, although I will take some (will be at the cenotaph service in Wellington at 0545) and upload them tomorrow. I hope that some Wikipedians will see this and decide to take action before tomorrow. I would but I have little time to edit theses days (see my contributions). Thanks--HamedogTalk|@ 06:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Designline - When/why deleted?

I just noticed that Designline, a significant NZ company, has had it's article deleted at some point since December. I can't find any reference to it being deleted. Anyone know what happened? --Lee Begg 04:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, just looking up the deletion log, I note that it has been deleted twice (delete log). The first appears to be deleted as "nonnotable corporate spam", and the second doesn't give any reason at all. Now I don't remember much about the article, except that I know that Designline has made a large number of buses in NZ, and exported a lot too. They are certainly notable in Transport in NZ. Does WikiProject NZ have guide lines on the Notability of Companies? --Lee Begg 04:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Has it has several non-trival mentions in the media? In that case it probably can have an article. Mathmo Talk 05:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The second deletion was probably because the article consisted of three short paragraphs with no source. The first deletion, however, was of a reasonably substantial article with no blatant POV or advertising problems, although the only sources mentioned were the company's website and a print version of one of their press releases. If anyone wants to work on providing better sources for the article, I'll undelete the first version and put it in their user space so it can be improved before being moved back to article space.-gadfium 08:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure the Chrischurch Press had one or more feature articles in 1998-99 covering the design of the Olymbus (fleet of buses for the Sydney Olympics - designed by David Thornley, who I knew back then) and the diesel-electric hybrid buses on the Christchurch inner city shuttle service. Probably too early for archivestuff, but if any Wikipedians happen to be digging around in the newspaper archive at Canty publicc Library, a check would be appreciated. (Library staff index the Press each day - not sure if it is on computer yet). dramatic 11:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have just made a Designline stub. I've copied the above into the talk page.Nankai 02:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Each recreation of the article has been briefer than the previous one. The original article was much better than the stub that is there now.-gadfium 04:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Redman (New Zealand)

I started the article for this NZer yesterday without actually noticing it was on this page (I found it just now through 'what links here'). Because he is now a former mayor it seemed inappropriate to call the article Michael Redman (mayor), so I labelled him as an NZer. However, because I had not heard of the bloke until I saw the bizarrity of the page, his new page has next to nothing on it. Feel free to add more (and please do!); it is still on the list of articles that need doing up on this project page.
- - - THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR (((¶))) 03:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we have plenty of links (albeit many of them redlinks) for foo (mayor) whn foo was mayor of somewhere in 1904. It is what they were best known for. Of course given Mr Redman's age he may go on to be better known for something else. dramatic 08:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scope

Why do we have a limited scope for this project? I think the scope should be as broad as possible, to allow new sub-projects and work groups to bud off from it over time. Should we expand our definition? Richard001 04:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think we are not covering? - SimonLyall 04:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, look at the scope section:

This WikiProject aims primarily to help coordinate pages on:

  1. New Zealand
  2. The History of New Zealand
  3. New Zealanders.

The scope is basically just the article on New Zealand, it's history, and New Zealanders - there are certainly a few things in Category:New Zealand that don't specifically relate to what is mentioned above. Richard001 07:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I'm misreading it? What is meant by 'pages on New Zealand'? Is it trying to say anything related to New Zealand at all? Perhaps it just needs rewording a little, like 'This project covers all subjects closely related to New Zealand, including its history, geography, people, biodiversity, and many other topics'. When I see the second two points I tend to think that the first one is being equally specific. Making it clear that the second two are just examples of the first point would solve any ambiguity. Richard001 07:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please name the things you don't think are covered. We arn't really here to write a 20 page consitution for the wikiproject - SimonLyall 14:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Richard was suggesting that. I like his wording much more than what was there, so I've put it in. -- Avenue 14:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see a problem with the new wording - it now overlaps with Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand places. Given that that WikiProject is fairly sluggish these days anyway, should a merger be proposed? Grutness...wha? 00:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Avenue. I'm not familiar with the places project, but having subprojects doesn't limit the scope of the parent, it's just a smaller branch of the parent project where people can go for more specialized guidelines, help and discussion. If the project is too small or inactive it might be an idea to turn it into a 'work group' rather than daughter project. Richard001 02:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree there's not necessarily any problem having overlapping projects. It helps if members of each are aware of the other's existence, so I've expanded the section on related projects. I have no objection to a merger with the NZ Places project. -- Avenue 12:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Raa

If someone types "raa" (all in lower case) in the search box and clicks "Go", they end up at Tama-nui-te-rā (via the redirect Raa). I think RAA would be a more logical destination. Would anyone object to me changing Raa to redirect to RAA instead of Tama-nui-te-rā? -- DH85868993 07:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would seem to make sense. --Helenalex 21:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Kahuroa 00:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree - on the condition that RAA is refactored slightly. At the moment it is headed "Abbreviations" - it needs to be altered to look a little more like ALF. I'll get onto it :) Grutness...wha? 00:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand Collaboration of the Fortnight template color

Shall we change this to something a little less bright? No offense to the creator, but I wouldn't want to paint my room that colour :) Richard001 01:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - I blink in shock every time I see it! Maybe it should be silver or black (the latter may be too hard as it means redefining text + all link colours) dramatic 00:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changed it to gray - does that look alright? Richard001 03:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Grey is a distinct improvement, however it looks like the Wikipedia:New_Zealand_Collaboration_of_the_Fortnight project is inactive as it has been on Otago for a lot longer than a fortnight.--Mendors 05:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it should be changed to month then? Richard001 05:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From looking at the history page for {{Template:NZCOTF_article}} it seems that it was last changed in April so we really need to get a bit more interest in the project.--Mendors 09:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The NZCOTF hasn't really been active since late last year, and its now officially inactive. I've removed references to it from {{New Zealand welcome}} and {{New Zealand welcome2}}.-gadfium 19:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

River template

Hi all - I've just created {{clutha}}, based on a template in use for one of Britain's major rivers. It's a bit bulky and probably needs cutting down a little, but it could also serve as a templ...erm...model for similar templates for NZ's other main rivers (the Waikato, Whanganui, Taieri, and Rangitikei could possibly use something like this). Anyway, have a look and see what you think. Grutness...wha? 02:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Ahipene-Mercer

I've been helping out with a new article about Ray Ahipene-Mercer in an attempt to improve it and prevent it from succumbing to AfD. Making a general call here for anyone who can assist in improving this article, especially for sourcing from newspaper or magazine articles that aren't available on the internet. I'm in Alaska, so I don't have easy access to New Zealand printed sources. Most info thus far has been contributed by the person who created it, Projectbob. --Ace of Swords 20:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Supergroove

Should supergroove be included in wikiproject New Zealand? particularly with their reforming to tour with Crowded house, it seems as though it might be in need of some peoples to watch over it and make appropriate updates. Any NZ wikipedian Supergroove fans out there??? Thanks. 203.97.237.98 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since we don't have a music subproject of task force/work group, it would fall under the project. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian music for an example of a similar subproject. Richard001 03:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My answer would be, yes, if it's about New Zealand or entities pertaining, put it in. (And cool, they're reforming? I liked their "traction" album) Orderinchaos 02:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crowded House & Split Enz

Hey folks!

I've just kicked off a wikiproject for Split Enz and Crowded House. I couldn't think of a title that encompassed both of them, so I went with Crowded House, so if you've interested, come on over.

Hi! I've seen you editing Crowded House related articles, and would like to invite you to join WikiProject Crowded House, an effort by Wikipedians to improve the band's coverage on the encyclopedia. Please consider signing up here.

--lincalinca 13:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Assessment

Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Assessment needs some attention also see [2] and [3]Blacksmith2 talkEditor Review 08:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Kiwi shopping mall articles

If you have not been watching the NZ deletion sorting page, you might not be aware that a number of shopping mall articles in your part of the world have been nominated for deletion in the last 24hrs. Your brethren across the tasman have stepped in to help where they can, but some additional help to research, cleanup, and help determine notability would be greatly appreciated if you can assist. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 02:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I have offered there, could anyone please send me by whatever means just a quick list (off the top of the head is fine) of major Auckland regional shopping centres (ones in any other cities as well also)? We'll do our best to rescue them from the stub wilderness. :) Orderinchaos 02:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose you know there's a list at List of shopping malls in New Zealand? :) Grutness...wha? 00:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New map uploaded

You may be interested in a new map I uploaded, Image:Nz large simple downsampled.gif. Separa 18:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting New Zealand

Can someone render "Scouting New Zealand" and "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Māori? Thanks! Chris 05:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC) im not good at maori but ill contact some people at the maori wikipediaBlacksmith talk —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 07:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject ad

should we have an ad for Template:wikipedia ads?Blacksmith talk 05:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like ads, and wouldn't display it. If you want one for your user page, then request one, preferably suggesting the wording, and then link to it here, but don't display it on this page.-gadfium 07:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Religion in New Zealand

Hello Kiwipedians, I noticed today that there was a small article about recent census changes. I thought it a bit silly to have an article on such a specific thing, and noting that articles on country's religions seem to be all the rage I moved it to religion in New Zealand. I've added a link to this in New Zealand and expanded it to include a lead, a section on Maori religion and details on the those following the Jedi code. Perhaps some of your could help out - give a bit more history etc, maybe add a picture of a church in NZ. We could even try for a Did you know, though it would have to be enlarged to 8kb within the next few days. Anyway, it's quite an important topic for the project I guess, so I thought I'd mention it here. Richard001 04:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The census information that you moved to religion in NZ comes from 2006 census data. I don't think this is clear in the article. I support your intiative to incorporate the material. —Fred114 07:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It says so in the lead, though the demographics article seems to be about 2001 data. There are also some comparisons between the sets. Richard001 02:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly the statement "The population increased 7.8% from the last census in 2001. The most notable trend in religion over that time is the 26.17% increase in the number of people indicating no religion." implies that the date is in the future. The only census taken in the future was 2006. The data used is from 2006. —Fred114 05:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I'm saying... what is your confusion? If it's unclear it's probably easier if you just fix it. Richard001 05:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photographs

The pages that request images seem a fairly limited set. What is the approach to upload photos? I am basically happy if any of my photos might be usable by Wikipedia, but I'm never quite sure what is the best approach to upload them (is there a tutorial somewhere?), and what is the preferred license for photos to be uploaded. A subset of my photos is at http://gallery.mcmillan.net.nz/ but I have many more NZ photos in particular. It's easy for me to take photos of anything that might be requested within a 1/2 day drive of Wellington also (or Auckland, with a little more effort, I guess). Thanks. Karora 12:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The best thing is to load them at Wikimedia Commons rather than on this Wikipedia. That means that the files are available for use in all the Wikimedia projects. Make yourself an account on Commons, then click on 'Upload file'. On the next screen click on 'It is entirely my own work'. Then on the next page fill out the template that will appear in the edit box. It will look like this

{{Information
|Description=
|Source=self-made
|Date=
|Author= [[User:Karora|Karora]]
}}

Fill all that info out. Before you save this, you must add a license tag and a category tag - for license, when it's my own work I use {{PD-user|MY USER NAME}} which means I am releasing the pic into the public domain with no conditions on use. In your case {{PD-user|Karora}}.There are 'tutorials' on Commons about licensing, but they are a bit confusing IMHO.
Then add a category tag - at least [[Category:New Zealand]] but ideally something more specific. You can get an idea by looking at the sub-categories of [Commons Category:New Zealand].

Then you can upload the pic. Kahuroa 19:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(after edit conflict) The best place to upload photos is not to Wikipedia itself but to the Wikimedia Commons, a repository of free images which can be used by all language Wikipedias and by many other projects as well. Look through the licences available to you there; I would suggest a CC-BY licence if you want the photo to be as free as possible while still always attributed to you, public domain if you don't care about attribution, or GFDL if you want to make it more difficult for people to use your photos in print publications (because they would also have to include several pages of licence material). The images can be added to Wikipedia articles using the same syntax as if they were uploaded to the English Wikipedia.
I think almost all your photos of landscapes would be a valuable addition. We wouldn't want to put more than a couple in most articles, or the text would be overwhelmed, but it might be worth uploading almost all of them so other projects can pick the most appropriate photo for their needs. For example, our article on the Marlborough Sounds already has some decent photos, with space for perhaps one more, but the articles on the individual sounds, e.g. Pelorus Sound, have in many cases no picture at all.
Some of the event photos are also valuable, others possibly too local. A high school performance might be able to be used in an article on that high school, or perhaps on the play being performed. Car and aircraft images are usually valuable; Wikipedia has rather a lot of articles about cars and alternative images of each model are welcome. Similarly, photos of animals, birds and insects are things we can hardly have too many of, if they are of good quality.
Please upload photos using meaningful file names, e.g. "Pelorus sound looking north.jpg" rather than "dscn1234.jpg", include a description of what the photo shows, and place them into categories, for example Category:New Zealand or its subcategories. This will help people to find suitable photos.
It's more difficult for us to look through your photos and say "We'd like that one", because many of them are not sufficiently well labelled for anyone who doesn't already know the geography intimately to identify exactly where they were taken.-gadfium 19:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Currency

Hello if anyone is interested they can created articles on NZ denominations if you want, help would be greatfull. Here is the template.Template:New Zealand currency and coinage. Enlil Ninlil 06:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we need a separate article on each note and coin? Seems like... currency-cruft to me. Richard001 06:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the other Richard: The new article on the $20 Note only has a couple of sentences which are not already covered by New Zealand Dollar. Here's a proposal: We trim down New Zealand Dollar to talk about the currency in its abstract sense (history, trading and value), and create the articles New Zealand banknotes and New Zealand coins (plus possibly New Zealand pre-decimal banknotes etc. That way you can read about the complete set of currency at any given point in our history in a single article, and eliminate the need for all those navboxes weight down pages. dramatic 21:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

I see that we now have a section on awards, starting with this revision [4]. Was there any discussion about this? Kahuroa 19:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No discussion, and no one has received the award from any other person. Just delete the section.-gadfium 20:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
done. Kahuroa 05:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of years in New Zealand

I've recently added this page and am working backwards from 1900 on the individual years (mainly just the sports champions to begin with). It was suggested on the discussion page that it should be a category but there is already a Years in New Zealand category and I feel that they serve different purposes. Any comments/suggestions?DerbyCountyinNZ 06:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is largely a duplication of Timeline of New Zealand history - SimonLyall 08:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, except that the timeline doesn't link to the "19xx in New Zealand" articles for years before 1947.-gadfium 09:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
About half the years before 1947 were missing links, fixed - SimonLyall 11:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Project tagging and assessment

Hello. Just wanted to give you a heads-up that as part of an assessment drive for WikiProject Ships, I recently tagged the RNZN ship disambiguation pages with the {{WPNZ}} project banner as well as our normal {{WikiProject Ships}} and {{WPMILHIST}} banners. While I do not generally assess articles for projects of which I am not a member, the instructions at WikiProject New Zealand/Assessment were very clear and concise, so I went ahead and marked each of these pages as having NA as both their class and importance. Please let me know if you have any questions, issues, or if I screwed it up. Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 00:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging Kahurangi National Park

Hello! I gave Kahurangi National Park the {{WPNZ}} project banner. If I shouldn't have, please forgive me.GreenGourd 19:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tokelau

Hello! Tokelau could use some attention. All help is appreciated. Perspicacite 04:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naming conventions

New Zealand's somewhat unusual placename naming conventions are unde fire again at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (New Zealand). I've defended them, though I'm beginning to wonder whether it would be less fuss to change them all...(crossposted to Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board) Grutness...wha? 23:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On a similar subject, Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand places seems to be completely moribund - is it worth merging it back into this WikiProject? Grutness...wha? 23:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New Zealand books

I have set up Category:New Zealand books. -- Alan Liefting-talk- 00:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything established for authors? I just did a quick search and no joy but there are results for Oz authors. In fact there is an incredibly detailed list giving links breaking them down by state, genre etc. It would be good if something comparable on New Zealand born/resident authors 203.190.199.174 (talk) 14:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand Football Championship

G'day everyone, I'm new to editing on here and have made it bit of a project of mine to work on article relating to NZ football, especially the NZFC. The NZFC article recently got rated as start class and other people have been making edits, so hopefully thats a good sign that the NZFC is getting some well needed attention! I'd like to ask if anyone could please give me any advice as to how any work I do is effective, especially in the context of the NZ WikiProject? Either on here or on my talk page is fine. Much appreciated, and GO TEAM WELLINGTON! Gialloneri (talk) 11:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any work you do on expanding articles on NZ soccer will help - there are a fair few kiwi footy fans here, best way of finding others is to look at the history of some of the relevant articles (you'll see my username prominently on one or two of them, such as Chatham Cup). As to its relevance with regard to the NZ WikiProject, nothing specific, though in general it's helping with NZ articles so it is definitely useful. I've often wondered whether it would be useful to form a "sub-project" to this for NZ sport articles in general - some of them need quite a bit of work. Grutness...wha? 12:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC) (another lousy season for Otago United... sigh)[reply]

Barnstar

The pic for "The New Zealand Barnstar of National Merit" looks a lot like the one for Hero of the Soviet Union (the USSR's version of the VC and a whole lot of other things, combined) :D Perhaps something a bit less Soviet might be in order, hehe (Just a gentle smile...) 202.89.150.246 (talk) 11:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The design is fairly standard - see Category:Barnstars of National Merit templates. The item handing from the flag is a barnstar, which is a German / American icon widely adopted within Wikipedia.-gadfium 18:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edmund Hillary...

...has recently died, for those that do not know. The article is currently being heavily edited and may require some people to keep an eye on it. Regards from across the ditch, Mattinbgn\talk 23:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

River templates

Hi all - I've just made an (incomplete) {{Waikato}}, along the lines of the {{Clutha}} I made last year. Feel free to edit it and add it to any articles relevant to the river's catchment. If I get time, I'll make similar ones for some of the other major rivers in NZ soon. Grutness...wha? 01:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's now also {{Taieri}}. Grutness...wha? 06:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
...and {{Whanganui}}, {{Rangitikei}}, and {{Mataura}}. I'm hoping to make similar templates for each of NZ's ten longest rivers (so 6 down, 4 more to do). Grutness...wha? 06:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to disambiguate Clarence River to Clarence River, New Zealand :-) dramatic (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oops - right you are, gov :) Grutness...wha? 23:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
{{WaiauSLD}} done now - that only leaves {{ClarenceNZ}}, {{Waitaki}}, and {{Oreti}} to do. Grutness...wha? 04:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

Should we not add a |needs-photo= parameter to the WPNZ template? I.e. adding the this field (with 'yes') will have the same effect as having to add a separate {{reqphotoin|New Zealand}} template. I haven't had a look at the coding of this feature so I'm not sure if I'd be confident making the change myself, but I'm sure someone here can anyway. Richard001 (talk) 00:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've got someone at WP:TR to add this, so it should be working now. Richard001 (talk) 07:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Law

I notice we don't have an article Law of New Zealand, while many other countries do (Law of Australia, Law of the United States, more). We do have Category:New Zealand law, but it has no main article. This is a very major omission, no? Richard001 (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a start. Please chip in. -- Avenue (talk) 17:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Avenue. Have added it to the NZ topics template. I would have to actually go and learn something about NZ law before I could contribute anything useful, so I'll leave it to others to work on. Richard001 (talk) 03:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Environment

Speaking of new articles, should we also have an environment of New Zealand article, as many other countries seem to have? It would overlap with a few others but might also bring a lot of things together.

Water resources in New Zealand might also be a good topic. Richard001 (talk) 04:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

William Samuel Bambridge

Greetings from the UK. I normally write articles about football and in researching for an article on Charles Bambridge who was the England national captain in the 1880s, I came across his father William Samuel Bambridge. The more I read, the more I realised that he warranted an article of his own. I have now created this but, writing as a humble Pom, could I ask someone from your project to review the article and check the New Zealand aspects. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Info on NZ$

For the purpose of the NZ dollar article, does any one have info on how common Millenium Commemorative $10 notes are. 1.5 million were released, which means they would be about 1/15 of total $10 notes. My question is how common are they in normal circulation, and the quality of the notes in normal circulation. Are they still commonly seen? Thanks. Tarcus (talk) 07:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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