Talk:East Harlem

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Boundary

Changed boundary from 86th St to 96th St, as this is traditionally the boundary. With the rate of gentrification, though, it might be 103rd St soon enough. 69.86.199.51 04:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the traditional southern boundary is East 96th. Unless the yuppies start moving into the projects, I doubt that line will move any time soon Wikiwiki718 (talk) 05:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

I'd love to see a picture of 116th Street here instead. It may be more representational. --Knulclunk 04:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Knulclunk 12:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I feel a photograph of the skyline, public housing projects and tenements, would be more representative then a retail strip. Would make for a good opening photo and maybe add a photograph of the retail along East 116th Street in a gallery. Wikiwiki718 (talk) 05:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Point of View Content and Questionable Relevancy

I tried to clean up the section on History of Puerto Rican Migration, but it still reads rather like a political pamphlet.

I'd also question the extent to which the section belongs in an article which is, after all, about a neighbourhood of Manhattan. What views do readers have about significantly altering or removing this section? Philopedia (talk) 12:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section was added last night and reads like a high school book report. Yes, it is heavily POV. There are some usable facts within it, but it does require a full rewrite. Knulclunk (talk) 13:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your encouragement, Knulclunk. I'm going to remove the whole section. Perhaps you are right and there is salvagable, even useful material there (once the apologetics are deleted!) But that material would fit much better in, for instance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_migration_to_New_York. I do hope the original contributer will see that point. Of course, I respect his efforts nonetheless! Philopedia (talk) 15:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the contribution. You see apart of my University project is creating and editing existing entries on Wikipedia. I had a profound interest on the Puerto rican Diaspora especially in El Barrio. Can someone please tell me what they think I should fix, or rather where it would fit as a whole. Thank You, and sorry.--Domenic.Demasi 02:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domenic.Demasi (talk • contribs)

I reread the section several times to try to see if I could take out the parts that sounded to much like they had a certain Point of View (POV), but you may have to rewrite it. Here are my recommendations:

1. The dates of the migration are very important, the handover of PR to the US and the 1917 citizenship act seem crucial to me. The PR pre-migration history of Spanish occupation does not seem important for this article.

2. The facts on poverty, crime, and ethnic makeup, if sourced, IS important. Please use inline sources, so other editors can see that your numbers came from somewhere.

3. You implied that corporate and government policies may have forced many migrants to leave PR and come to NYC. If this is true, then you should note the specific policies with references. You should not simply quote someone's theory, unless the person is widely accepted as an expert by the mainstream. Even then, they should be attributed in the copy, for example; Professor Maria Smith of Columbia University suggests, "the policies set forth by the U.S. installed governor in 1920 lead the way to blah, blah, blah..."

4. The following sentence makes many assumptions and assertions:

"The Puerto Rican community has fell victim to poverty through social marginalization due to the transformation of New York into a global city, thus eliminating the manufacturing sector to a more profitable service sector, forcing a loss of jobs, and a struggle to assimilate into the larger New York City population, creating class distinction and racism."

The PR community is a victim? Socially marginalized by who? How? Where did the jobs go? What jobs did the community USE to do? Who does them now? Is the community excluded from the NYC population? How? Why? What class distinction? Racism? By who?

5. Is all of Spanish Harlem PR? What about Cuban, DR, etc?

6. Many of your statements are rewritten several times. You only need to make each point once, this is not a persuasive or argumentative essay. Stick to the facts in chronological or cause/effect order.

Thank you for contributing, please don't be discouraged! Good Luck! --Knulclunk (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Domenic! Thanks for coming back and soliciting viewpoints! I'd like to support Knulclunk's comments and reiterate my view that the points you put forward really belong under a different heading; something along the lines of "the Puerto Rican experience in the United States".

My motivating assumption is that people coming to this article are primarily interested in such questions as
1) what is the make up and history of the neighbourhood?
2) how to get around (shopping, churchs, hospitals, schools, transport..)
3) how this neighbourhood fits together with adjacent areas.

Your contributions are at most peripheral, and I found that you long entry was inappropriate. Beyond that, I wanted to take the chance to apologise to you for acting so percipitously to remove your contribution. It's obvious that you care about the entry, and I wish in hindsight that I had given you time to respond before making the deletion. Philopedia (talk) 21:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]